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10-25-2010, 09:46 AM
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Civilian compared to LEO situations
My handgun and selfdefense education has been very enlightening. One thing I have noticed is that all types of situations seem to be lumped together. I believe there is a goldmine of knowledge from LEO experiences. I also know that I am not a police officer and I'm not going to pretend to be one. I would like to advance my education. Does anyone have advice on the best education for someone who does not want to over step his bounds?
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10-25-2010, 11:30 AM
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The easiest way is to read. I recommend Massad Ayoob. He writes regular columns in several gun magazines, American Handgunner (My favorite), Guns, Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement and Combat Handguns to name a few. Probably several more, but these are very good. He is an LEO in the Northeast, owns his own training facility and is an expert witness for civil and criminal trials involving use-of-force issues. He gives classes around the country, and they are excellent. I took one this year and I would strongly recommend attending one.
Otherwise, there are several shooting schools you can attend around the country, the magazines I mentioned carry ads for most of them. Ayoob is not the only author worth reading in the ones mentioned, several have LE experience and are very informative, as well as just good reading.
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10-25-2010, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by P@R Fan
The easiest way is to read. I recommend Massad Ayoob. He writes regular columns in several gun magazines, American Handgunner (My favorite), Guns, Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement and Combat Handguns to name a few. Probably several more, but these are very good. He is an LEO in the Northeast, owns his own training facility and is an expert witness for civil and criminal trials involving use-of-force issues. He gives classes around the country, and they are excellent. I took one this year and I would strongly recommend attending one.
Otherwise, there are several shooting schools you can attend around the country, the magazines I mentioned carry ads for most of them. Ayoob is not the only author worth reading in the ones mentioned, several have LE experience and are very informative, as well as just good reading.
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He's done a good job making himself marketable, I'll give him that.
That's about all I have to say about him.
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10-25-2010, 04:07 PM
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When you say you don't want to overstep your bounds I assume you're referring to legal boundaries. If so, I'd recommend that you familiarize yourself with your local laws. That's a lot more valuable than someone else's opinion.
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10-25-2010, 04:21 PM
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IMHO, in a crisis a person does not rise to the level of his education, he falls to the level of his training, at best. Reading is good, but it is not training.
There are many courses available that emphasize simulated scenarios and require responses. In additiion to basic marksmanship and gun handling, practice of realistic situations and force on force experience are valuable. Learn and practice by doing.
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10-25-2010, 04:56 PM
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My handgun and selfdefense education has been very enlightening. One thing I have noticed is that all types of situations seem to be lumped together. I believe there is a goldmine of knowledge from LEO experiences. I also know that I am not a police officer and I'm not going to pretend to be one. I would like to advance my education. Does anyone have advice on the best education for someone who does not want to over step his bounds?
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In my experience, the training a civilian needs is generally significantly different than what a LEO needs. You'll find certain training "schools" out there, for example, that offer civilians training that focuses on tactics and skills that are quite far outside of the tactical and legal realities that the vast majority of citizens are ever likely to encounter in their day to day affairs. Not saying there is anything wrong with learning things that will never have any practical application, but there is a lot to be said for using your limited training resources and time as wisely as possible.
Anyway, it sounds like you would benefit from a course that focuses both on the use of force laws specific to your state, as well as on the skills needed to become a safe and efficient defensive shooter. I'm not sure which state you are in, but in my state, there are a number of reputable instructors that offer courses that do a decent job of covering both. The NRA Personal Protection courses, for example, can be a great place to start; they offer portions dedicated to the legal aspects of self defense as well as basic to intermediate level, and even some advanced level, defensive shooting skills. We've had excellent feedback from our students who have taken those courses with us.
My advice is to do some research. Find out who the instructors in your area are, what courses they are offering, and then find out more about both. Be sure to ask for references when choosing an instructor and make sure to actually check those references. Don't necessarily rule out an instructor just because he/she is relatively "new", and don't necessarily choose an instructor just because he/she has been around for a while. Not all instructors are created equal, and not all shooting courses are created equal. In most cases, you don't have to spend a month's worth of pay just to get quality training.
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