Conceal carry for my daughter

[beagleye]

My daughter is 16 and she is having to commute through a really ****** neighborhood. My main concern is a breakdown. I think it is probably illegal for her to get a conceal carry in NC. So I am thinking of setting her up with a really good pepper spray and stun gun combo.

Since I have always been a gun guy, I haven't put much thought into these devises.

I would be grateful to get some advise from people who have experience with these systems.

Thanks, Pete

[photoman]

Can she drive ~around~ the ****** neighborhood?

[off road]

For my daughter, while it isn't legal for her to 'carry', it is perfectly legal to transport a gun in a vehicle. If she broke down or got stuck, it is there if she needs it.

[MotorCityGun]

Check NC laws for restrictions, many states limit the volume you can carry, some limit it to less than 2 oz. Also, make sure that she knows NOT to hang around to see what happens after deploying pepper spray. Use every second to get away. Better yet, get her into a (non-martial art) self defense class/course. If you can't afford that, then physically practice with her with you as the bad guy and her with a (water) spray bottle with nozzle/trigger set up that is the same or similar to whatever you buy her.

Go with the cone or fog spray, NOT the stream, trying to get a straight stream into the right places on an attacker when you are trying to deal with the adrenaline rush is not an easy task. The cone or fog makes it more likely to get in the "right" places.

Stick with the major brands, Fox, Sabre, Etc. Look at the flip top cans since it's far more forgiving in pockets and purses and is very easy to deploy when needed.

Same/similar rules apply to safe pepper spray handling.

[justsumstuff]

She needs to be careful about what she takes onto campus. Some of them do prohibit it (IMHO, anything that one can use for self-defense) on school property, which often includes the automobile sitting on their property.

[M29since14]

Here in Indiana, any of the articles you mention will get the young person expelled from school. Even in the little community where I reside, I assure you such an expulsion would stick. People (school administrators AND other parents) are goofy about this, and the goofiness seems to be widespread.

If she can select a better route, that would be a good idea.

[PDL]

A can of wasp and hornet spray is functional. And it won't get you arested or expelled.

[GJH77]

Originally Posted by PDL

A can of wasp and hornet spray is functional. And it won't get you arested or expelled.

A travel size can of Lysol to go, or clorox in a small spray bottle would work also.

[beagleye]

Unfortunately there is not another practical route. We live in the mountains so 25 miles to the near by town through meth heaven (without cell coverage on the route) would become 70 miles around a safer route.

But I will look into those other article ya'll suggested. Those are some interesting ideas and some I hadn't considered.

How about bear spray? We have tons of bears around here. That would seem like a reasonable thing to keep on hand.

Thanks,Pete

[jimmyj]

What PDL suggested!

[oldman45]

I furnished my daughter with LEA issue pepper spray. However, as many of us learned the painful way, wind is almost always assured to blow the spray back on the one doing the spraying. She still carries it on her key chain and she also has a loud whistle on the key chain.

At home, she has one of my S&W .357 mags to keep her company. There is a .38spc in her car. As long as she is in her car, all is well. It is the walk across hospital, nursing home and clinic parking lots where care must be used.

My suggestion is simple. Go to a marine store and buy a can of boat horn such as Seasense Pocket Air Horn. It is horribly loud (115db). If your daughter keeps driving through the bad neighborhoods, she will be ok. If she stops to visit or has mechanical problems, then she needs to attract as much attention as she can in the event of an aggressive intrusion. A canned boat horn can be heard for a mile and people pay attention to it. Not everyone in a bad neighborhood is bad. They will look and they will help in some way.

An attacker does not want attention. Too many people might be able to describe or identify him. Noise draws attention.

[M29since14]

Since you have a good supply of bears, sounds like bear spray would be made-to-order, as far as possible problems with the law might be concerned, but even so, it might get her in trouble at school if it is detected.

It is one of the great shames of our times that good kids get lumped in with the bad ones when efforts are made to stave off potential trouble, but that is what the present mentality finds attractive, since they want to avoid discrimination suits at any and all costs.

[zoom6zoom]

16 is too young for unaccompanied possession under Federal law, regardless of state.

[photoman]

Originally Posted by beagleye

Unfortunately there is not another practical route. We live in the mountains so 25 miles to the near by town through meth heaven (without cell coverage on the route) would become 70 miles around a safer route.

What in the world is at the end of that 25 mile commute through "meth heaven" that is valuable enough to endager your 16 year old daughter?

Given the extreme limitations, I would recommend she look into some good hand to hand training like Target Focus Training or some quality knife training. Those are my second and third recommendations. I'm not going to tell you what my first recommendation is on a public forum.

[computeruser]

How about pepper spray and a newer, well-maintained car that doesn't break down?

[Bud11]

Maybe Bear Spray would work.

[firearmsunlimited]

How about a nice Rottweiler companion dog?

[Sportsterguy]

Originally Posted by PDL

A can of wasp and hornet spray is functional. And it won't get you arested or expelled.

EXCELLENT advice and add the airhorn to her arsenal! Better than pepper spray and accurate to 30'. A hand held tazer is not an option IMO as they have gotten too close and she may not be able to apply it. They and pepper spray have zero effect on some hopped up meth & crack heads speaking from personal experience. The wasp spray will blind them temporarily giving her a chance to escape.

You CAN carry a loaded weapon in NC in your vehicle. It has to be in plain sight and the law is vague and totally up to the officer who makes the stop and call on it. Here is a link to NC's laws. If she's not breaking her school rules call your local sheriff Dept. for their advice. If it was my daughter I'd have her carry both IF she is profecient with a weapon.

Best of luck and GB your daughter.

http://handgunlaw.us/states/northcarolina.pdf

[Protected]

Originally Posted by PDL

A can of wasp and hornet spray is functional. And it won't get you arested or expelled.

while i like this idea, most cans of this sort of stuff will say something along the lines of "Using this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling is a punishable offense."

so using it on a bad guy might bring negative consequences, of course that depends on how you portray it to the police. "he attacked me and all i had was this can of spray, i was desperate and it was all i could do to fend off the guy who is twice my size." or something along those lines. maybe some of our LEO's can provide some more insight.

i think the same line of thinking would come into effect with bear spray.

[OKFC05]

while i like this idea, most cans of this sort of stuff will say something along the lines of "Using this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling is a punishable offense."

That's an EPA thing to punish people who "endanger the environment" which has zilch to do with spraying a person with it.

[Protected]

also huffing, like on paint cans. anyone could argue that spraying someone in the face is "in a manner inconsistent with its labeling"

im hoping that wouldnt hold up in court though