My house is brick but the doors and windows aren't. Any sort of bullet missing it's mark can make it though those doors or windows. It's only my opinion but I think a short shotgun with #1 buck has a reasonable chance of not only stopping an intruder, but not penetrating walls. It will go through doors if you miss entirely but I feel it's less likely to hurt anyone compared to a .357 round or even 45 ACP +P ammo. At 3:00 in the morning I'm not going to worry about where the doors and windows are before shooting if necessary. From where I'll be awakened to where I'll probably see the perpetrator will be either at the entrance to my bedroom at which time there are barriers that few bullets will go though, like the brick wall or, I'll see him coming down t he hall and behind him as he's coming down the all at me is another brick wall with no windows. That's all I could hope for other than hoping it will never happen.

KANEWPADDLE GOT MY ATTENTION. i'VE BEEN WORKIN' PRETTY HARD THE LAST 3 YEARS ON
sorry capslpck was on- on self- home-defense. The best I've heard was planning, and we all know we can't pracice for every possibility- we can practice for a hundred but the real thing may not be one of em. As for our homes I think it's much easier. So I worked mainly on- what if I'm in my recliner? sitting at my kitchen table? on the terlit? or in my bed?
I have guns placed where I thikn they'll be most helpful. I use regualr Remington HPs ( I can afford to practice with them so I use them for SD) in my pistols, and have #4 shot in my pump shotgun. I really believe by- considering- thinking through- where the BGs will come in, and where I'll probably be ( it's just me and the wife so only have to worry about one other good guy)...and how I'll react and with what. The best I've seen for shotgun loads is #4, won't over penetrate, and the longest shot in my house would be 36 feet- my Federal #4 rounds spread 8-10 inches at 35 feet. Something I think we should all do- think- practice what we think- and pattern those shotgun sheels.

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eight months dead and it lives again .... guess Ill add it to his greatest hits compilation.
what I will give him is credit for his willingness to inform, enlighten and teach. This would be of great value in a field the OP actually understands. Its certainly not guns and defense. perhaps dog training would result in a more palatable read.

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Over the years I have done a lot of penetration testing.

We have built our own walls and have actually shot in real houses/apts, etc that were going to be torn down.

Truth is most any bullet will go from one room, through the wass into the next. Some will go 3 or 4 rooms it they do not hit a stud.

I once shot a round [during testing] of 45 ACP hardball from about 85 yards that hit the wall of a house [clap board construction] and it came out the back of the house.

What we finally discovered that the safest round for indoor use was a 223 firing 50 or 55 gr Ballsitic Tip bullets.

It has enough thump to protect the shooter and penetrates less than most anything else, normally avialable.

Sirrduck has got you guys again. Slow learners???

This is what worries me about his info. Someone comes along later and dosen't read all of the posts, but just the first one and assumes he knows what he's talking about. MOST, not all, but MOST of his conclusions are WRONG! He recycles info from questionable sources as gospel.

Take this post, for instance. Guns fire bullets. Even a .22 will go through 1" of plaster board. What is the solution to this searing problem? The same as all his problems. USING A GUN TO DEFEND YOURSELF IS WRONG! (or only to be undertaken by highly trained operators such as himself)

If you are new to firearms, or new to this board, please do a search of his previous posts. Read them, and the responses, before taking his teachings to heart. Don't let him get you hurt.

Now, having had my say, I will address him and his silliness no more.

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Nah ... I don't think he believes a gun will save him either. His concept of personal security is so erroneous, he fails from rule one. anyone can track him to his doorstep in under five minutes for his absolute lack of effective personal security .... no one was ever so easy

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Which chapter of guns for dummies is this covered in, I forgot. Duh, now tell us something we didn't know.

I can't figure out the point of your post. If you've been studying firearms and shooting for any length of time, you'd know that this has already been discussed to death. Maybe you just like to see your words (or someone's!) in print.

I question your motives for all your inane blather concerning self defense. I also notice that you're conspicuously absent from this discussion.

Flame on!

I'd be interested in pictures...

I'm new here and don't want to make too many waves but don't people secure their windows and doors before retiring? My first line of home defense are well locked doors and windows. I don't have to even consider shooting an intruder if he can't get in. In my part of NJ the only bad guys getting shot are getting shot by other bad guys in the street. Home invader shootings are almost unheard of.

As I am not a lawyer, I can not advise. I can however tell you that if two men are robbing a store, one is shot and the other escapes/survives/surrenders the living one is guilty of felony murder in many states. It is necessary to put down a deadly threat for the sake of one's own life as well as bystander's. I suggest we try to hit our targets and deal with the legal ramifications in court where they belong.

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Lot to be said about the Judge with # 4 shot. I live in a mobile home park. Might not kill a bad guy but he won't be shaving for a while.