Carry gun

[Drm50]

I know a lot of non gun people who are buying pistols and going
to get CC permits. They are buying their guns with out any idea
of the practical carry. They are buying the gun some action hero
is using on TV or taking advice of counter guy in big box store.
You can buy the most impressive bobed 1911 or Glock type, it
Doesn't do you any good if you leave it home. That's where most
of them end up. Carrying gun all day ain't fun, ask a cop who
lugs duty belt all day. Keep in mind gun is for personal defense
not assaulting a beach. Pick top quality piece that is practical to
carry both in weight and size. A gun of this type doesn't need
target sights or 20 shot clips. Then pick out holster that fits your
comfort zone not latest speed draw.

[pmhayden]

Its ok. People become familiar with firearms, have a home defense tool, and its a good thing. I have 4 1911s and hardly ever carry. I thought I would, but between post offices, court houses, the USFS building, the local tavern, etc., its not practical. People need to find their own comfort level. The main thing is safety. And having carried, people have an awareness of their surroundings that might not have existed before. At least that is my 2 cents worth.

ETA: I don't think people should start with a carry firearm for their first firearm. There is a lot to learn - good habits to build, safety skills, target skills. A .22 target pistol might be a good place to start even if it not carried.

[robertrwalsh]

Guiding a person towards a carry gun is difficult. They need something that they can carry for hours, conceal effectively and shoot well in a reasonable caliber. The right gun is out there, you sometimes have to look hard to find it.

[loknload]

People come to you asking you for advice for a 1st time gun buyer. You explain to them everything they should do and take into consideration, you tell them everything you know from all of your years of gun owner experience!
What do they do? They go out a do the exact opposite of everything you explained not to do, they do just what they wanted and it made no sense whatsoever!
What do I do? I try my best to stay out of these conversations!

[petepeterson]

Originally Posted by loknload

People come to you asking you for advice for a 1st time gun buyer. You explain to them everything they should do and take into consideration, you tell them everything you know from all of your years of gun owner experience!
What do they do? They go out a do the exact opposite of everything you explained not to do, they do just what they wanted and it made no sense whatsoever!
What do I do? I try my best to stay out of these conversations!

I feel ya.

The few times I joined into that fun, I took the person to a range with a .22 auto, .22 revolver, and an assortment of mid-sized and smaller handguns. At least it gives them a little direction. Ultimately, it's better they pick something they like so they're more inclined to shoot it.

[e3mrk]

To be honest I carry a Ruger SP-101 357 Magnum with a 2.5 inch Barrel but I use My CZ-75 to qualify for the CCW Test because the Ruger is not accurate enough to hit the Target when it's at the far end of the Range.
And I figure if the bad Guy is that far away I have no business shooting at Him anyway.

[Arik]

Most people who never carried will find it uncomfortable to carry any gun in any position and location.

[loknload]

Arik Most people who never carried will find it uncomfortable to carry any gun in any position and location.

And that will take time getting use to!

[snubbyfan]

As a maintenance tech at the RubberMaid Commercial Products factory I got used to carrying a Leatherman, flashlight and a leather pouch with a utility knife, 6" Crescent wrench and an Allen pack on my belt.
After that, totin' a snubby's nuthin'.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by loknload

And that will take time getting use to!

Right! Thanks for finishing my thought!

[Ivan the Butcher]

Like Snubbyfan said after years of flashlights, Buck Knives, Leatherman type tools, tape measures, and RINGS of keys; a steel K-Frame is nothing, nor is a Officers Model 45. But most people weren't "lucky" enough to have that experience. Some "Big Mouth" tells them they need a High Cap 9mm and a spare mag at all times. That will pull just about anybody's pants down, unless they have somebody show them the "Tricks" of the trade.

(I had one moron tell me a loaded LCR in 22 was too much to carry, I told him he would be our offering to the gods of stupidity! Rant over.)

One of the biggest problems we have to overcome is, Everybody thinks they can shoot. People buy guns at the LGS and refuse instruction on how to load, unload, and safe handling! If we go to Constitutional Carry, without mandated instruction they may never know, until a tragedy happens to them. Police departments in years gone by, would teach anyone who ask, the basics of gun safety and usage. Now they can't (or won't) be bothered and there is a liability issue. I haven't come to grips with; Where is the boundary between Rights, Negligence, and Government Interference?

We haven't heard the term Unfunded Mandate in a while. But isn't that what the outrageous fees some states charge for Shall Issue Permits. I'm a non felon and don't beat my wife, but I have to pay for my right that the law requires they give me. I know in the Ohio county I grew up in, the Sheriff's department clears over $30,000 a year, in CCW background checks, licenses and renewels. That is after the personnel and overhead are covered. They can't charge to register me to vote, and my state ID or drivers license is all I need to register and vote. Maybe CCW should be an non-fee endorsement on the DL like "Eye glasses Required" Or Felony and spouse abusers get a No Guns Allowed endorsement upon conviction, That would take care NICS checks at the same time. I better shut up, I think I'm making too much sense. Ivan

[ISCS Yoda]

The debate about paying for the "right" to carry a firearm is old and ongoing - maybe it's a dead horse and maybe it's not - but the right to carry a gun is not as unfettered as many would have you believe. I know what the law, i.e., the Constitution, says, but restrictions on gun rights have been held lawful so many times, even in the two big SCOTUS victories recently, Heller and MacDonald cases, that griping about restrictions and fees seems a lot like a tempest in a teapot - it has no effect and it has no meaningful impact on the real world.

Voting is not actually a right guaranteed by the Constitution, anyway. Everyone thinks it is but it doesn't say that anywhere. Qualifications for voting exist. The Supreme Court has said that the Constitution “does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” It is state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.” As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments.

The Constitution explicitly prohibits discrimination in granting the franchise based on a person’s race, sex, or (adult) age via the 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. The 24th Amendment also bars disenfranchisement via poll taxes. But those protections are like a house with no foundation. States and other governments can and do disenfranchise individuals and groups of citizens, and so long as they do it without provable bias, it’s entirely legal.

(c) 2005 Jeff Milchen
Beyond the Voting Rights Act: Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote

So let's not let the so-called right to vote overlap on gun rights. Neither are unfettered and both get restricted in a variety of ways. One difference is that the ban on a poll tax basically says you cannot charge fees for voting. But nothing stops fees for gun permits. And so forth.

As for the folks who buy the wrong guns to carry and, therefore, don't carry, it's simply a matter of teaching them and hoping the teaching takes effect. Nothing helps if folks refuse to learn and understand. Buying a S&W M&P 9mm like this:

Product: Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm

because someone told you that 17 rounds is what you'll need to defend yourself is a very impractical to the solution to concealed carry for almost anyone. Large folks who wear loose outer garments can conceal big pistols. The rest of us are quite well served with much smaller guns.

Keep in mind gun is for personal defense not assaulting a beach.

That's what your students, whether you're a professional firearms instructor or just teaching a friend, need to be made to understand. If you really need 17 rounds you either are in the wrong place at the wrong time* or you're venturing out into places normal people fear to go - OR - *you're just very unlucky. Those service sized pistols won't cut it in the normal concealed carry world. New shooters need to get a grasp of that fact.

[S&WIowegan]

We are friends with a couple in their early 60s(both professional people) who have recently realized the world really is a scary place. They are not gun people so they signed up for a CCW class first. Iowa is a shall issue state now and many so-called classes are useless. The woman approached my wife about learning firearms.

I am friends with a wife/husband team of firearms trainers who teach shooting and the carry laws, etc. I called them to see if they had room for these newbies. The team is literally swamped with women who are buying guns and carrying. I love it! it's happening even though the local paper never misses a chance to indicate disapproval for legal carry.

[Moe Mentum]

Sooner or later they come around. When they realize how heavy a full size steel gun weighs after a full day of carrying, they will learn a valuable and costly lesson.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by Moe Mentum

Sooner or later they come around. When they realize how heavy a full size steel gun weighs after a full day of carrying, they will learn a valuable and costly lesson.

Or you buy a little gun and learn a valuable and costly lesson when you realize it's too small in your hand and you can practically palm the whole gun