Stand Your Ground

[Jlduke]

Am I the only person who has a problem that the left are using the Trayvon/Zimmerman incident to attack the Stand Your Ground law even though it doesn't appear to apply to either person involved based on the two side of the story that have been given? I'm not a lawyer, but that's how it looks to me.

[GyMac]

No, you're not the only one, but there is so much to be upset about nowadays that it's hard to stay focused on just one leftist attack.

[Jlduke]

Yeah but that's pretty big for people who carry guns. Not to mention the whole "race war" angle.
They don't care about that dead kid, just the political captital they hope to get from it. This could have great effect on concealed carry laws.

[russp1]

While "stand your ground" doesn't really seem to apply in this case, it does seem to be somethng the defense is going to use which then opens the law open to criticism for how it can be improperly applied. Like too many laws that are written with too much legalise making the true and often simple meaning anything but simple.

[venomballistics]

Originally Posted by Jlduke

Yeah but that's pretty big for people who carry guns. Not to mention the whole "race war" angle.
They don't care about that dead kid, just the political captital they hope to get from it. This could have great effect on concealed carry laws.

dont see how ....Stand your ground simply affords you the option of sticking out the fight without the duty to retreat thing to think about ... you can still retreat under stand your ground laws.

The case mentioned has little to do with the law as it has more of an appearance of two hot heads crossing paths and a chain of mutual stupid decisions from both parties. No law would have changed the outcome... but now since the case was mentioned Ill just say "IBTL" and be on my way

[Texas Star]

The media and the left in general hate self defense and carry laws. They hope to twist this case to repeal the Florida law.

It isn't about justice at all: it's about their socialist agenda.

[Jlduke]

Originally Posted by venomballistics

dont see how ....Stand your ground simply affords you the option of sticking out the fight without the duty to retreat thing to think about ... you can still retreat under stand your ground laws.

The case mentioned has little to do with the law as it has more of an appearance of two hot heads crossing paths and a chain of mutual stupid decisions from both parties. No law would have changed the outcome... but now since the case was mentioned Ill just say "IBTL" and be on my way

If they set a precedent in Florida forcing stand your ground to be repealed, then the libs in other states will follow suit. That opens the door for other aspects of gun ownership to be eroded. It's not about wether you agree with a stand your ground law, it's about yet more liberties being stripped away under false pretense.

[nipster]

You all dont realize how much of a percentage of the state is controlled by republicans. They aint going to repeal it.

Also, dont be so quick to judge. It's gonna come out that SYG DOES apply here.

[tyusclan]

Many legislators have come out in support of SYG, stating that they have no problem with the law or how it's worded, and have no intention of repealing or amending it.

Not sure what Governor Scott had in mind with his 'task force' to look into it, unless he was doing a little posturing of his own.

[PeterCartwright]

I don't know the full facts of this case, so I'm just as clueless as the firearm-hating media. But I'll still make this prediction: when the full facts are known, I'm guessing this will become a case study demonstrating how the best self-defense tool at our disposal is what's supposed to be between our ears.

PC

[Jlduke]

Originally Posted by nipster

You all dont realize how much of a percentage of the state is controlled by republicans. They aint going to repeal it.

Also, dont be so quick to judge. It's gonna come out that SYG DOES apply here.

I would be surprised. It appears that the icident was initially precipitated by Zimmerman following the Martin boy. This was documented in the 911 call when they told him to stop. You can't be following people around when your carrying.
I'm don't want to crucify Zimmerman and I don't think Martin is as innocent as certain prominent black leaders would have us believe, but based on the facts (such as they are) it does appear that Zimmerman showed poor judgement.

Not to mention the fact that most of the laws and restrictions we hate the most were inacted by the minority.

[Moonman]

I'm still waiting for Al Sharpton to apologize for Twana Brawley amongst other cases he's showed at and been wrong.

The $150,000 bail has me wondering that the judge doesn't rate the prosecutors case as strong as she does at this point.

[joehotpiscopo]

+1 Venom

I couldn't agree more

Originally Posted by venomballistics

dont see how ....Stand your ground simply affords you the option of sticking out the fight without the duty to retreat thing to think about ... you can still retreat under stand your ground laws.

The case mentioned has little to do with the law as it has more of an appearance of two hot heads crossing paths and a chain of mutual stupid decisions from both parties. No law would have changed the outcome... but now since the case was mentioned Ill just say "IBTL" and be on my way

[joehotpiscopo]

Originally Posted by Jlduke

I would be surprised. It appears that the icident was initially precipitated by Zimmerman following the Martin boy. This was documented in the 911 call when they told him to stop. You can't be following people around when your carrying.
I'm don't want to crucify Zimmerman and I don't think Martin is as innocent as certain prominent black leaders would have us believe, but based on the facts (such as they are) it does appear that Zimmerman showed poor judgement.

Not to mention the fact that most of the laws and restrictions we hate the most were inacted by the minority.

Agreed 100%. Poor judgement that has helped to tarnish the reputation of lawful concealed carriers all over the country

[Moonman]

Percentage wise with the number of CCW'S outstanding, there have been very few unlawful incidents. The people involved have undergone background checks are a just generally good citizens.

There has been NO MASS BLOODSHED as was and is continually predicted by the Anti-Firearm inclined people.

[Jlduke]

I heard on the radio someone say that only something like 100th of 1% of violent crimes involving guns are committed by licensed carriers.

[Kursac]

It is election year politics, if it was any other year it wouldn't even be a topic. I can't wait for it to be over.

[Chuck1217]

I think it should be obvious that the left will use any excuse to do away with any gun laws that we like. They can easily- with the help of the media- turn SYG into 'well peopole shouldn't carry guns anyway' arguments. I also believe SYG will apply here, if Martin came back and jumped on Zmmrmn, then he had the right to defend himself. If it was solely that Zmmrmn approached Maartin THEN SYG would not apply- if Martin approached Zmrmn then it would, right?
The left started calling all kinds of rifles 'assault rifles' and what happened- the media went to bat for them, and labeled almost every rifle an 'assault' rifle, and we all know there's really no such thing...unless maybe full autos, which we can't have (in most cases) anyway.
Just like that, they can easily turn SYG into a CC argument.
To the OP, there have been threads here in the past about this- if I recall one was closed due to content.

[alkaline]

Originally Posted by tyusclan

Not sure what Governor Scott had in mind with his 'task force' to look into it, unless he was doing a little posturing of his own.

He'll likely be too busy trying to make schoolteachers like me have to administer more useless tests.

[Jlduke]

Originally Posted by Chuck1217

I think it should be obvious that the left will use any excuse to do away with any gun laws that we like. They can easily- with the help of the media- turn SYG into 'well peopole shouldn't carry guns anyway' arguments. I also believe SYG will apply here, if Martin came back and jumped on Zmmrmn, then he had the right to defend himself. If it was solely that Zmmrmn approached Maartin THEN SYG would not apply- if Martin approached Zmrmn then it would, right?
The left started calling all kinds of rifles 'assault rifles' and what happened- the media went to bat for them, and labeled almost every rifle an 'assault' rifle, and we all know there's really no such thing...unless maybe full autos, which we can't have (in most cases) anyway.
Just like that, they can easily turn SYG into a CC argument.
To the OP, there have been threads here in the past about this- if I recall one was closed due to content.

Even if Martin did confront Zimmerman, I still don't thin SYG applies for Zimmerman because he precipitated the entire incident by pursuing in the first place. It also wouldn't apply to Martin if he did go to Zimmerman's location to confront him. This is just my opinion, cause I don't know jack.

[tyusclan]

Originally Posted by Jlduke

Even if Martin did confront Zimmerman, I still don't thin SYG applies for Zimmerman because he precipitated the entire incident by pursuing in the first place. It also wouldn't apply to Martin if he did go to Zimmerman's location to confront him. This is just my opinion, cause I don't know jack.

Even if Zimmerman confronted Martin, which is not the same thing as attacking him, turned to leave and return to his vehicle, and was then attacked by Martin, SYG would apply, because Martin has become the aggressor.

I don't know that that is what happened, because I wasn't there, but the more information is released, the more it supports Zimmerman's story.

[Chuck1217]

Originally Posted by Jlduke

Even if Martin did confront Zimmerman, I still don't thin SYG applies for Zimmerman because he precipitated the entire incident by pursuing in the first place. It also wouldn't apply to Martin if he did go to Zimmerman's location to confront him. This is just my opinion, cause I don't know jack.

I don't know jack either- but if some reports are true- that he was actually leaving, possibly getting into his truck when Martin came back to him- THEN SYG would apply. Who knows how our 'justice' system will work this time.

[ED1]

Well let them hear us come November. These anti-gun nuts politicians should be voted out and be declared toxic beyond salvageable.