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Thank you for contacting the Family Dollar Customer Care Feedback Team. Your feedback is important to us! Please be assured that we have reviewed your feedback and have forwarded it to the correct department. We do not allow firearms within our stores under any circumstances and the policy is provided below for your convenience. On behalf of the Corporate Office, we apologize for any misunderstanding with our policy and the inconvenience this may have caused. We appreciate your time and hope you continue to shop with Family Dollar. The Customer Care Service Center is open Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Eastern Standard Time. Feel free to call us at 1-866-377-6420 Option #4. Incident# 5011354, can be used as a reference. Thank you and have a great day!



Weapons on Company Property

No weapons of any type, including, but not limited to, firearms, knives (unless the item is a Family Dollar approved box cutter), or any other dangerous weapons or instruments designed to inflict injury or cause physical damage are allowed on Company premises, property or in Company vehicles.

This applies whether the weapon is on the individual's person, carried in a container or openly, or in a vehicle brought onto Company premises (where allowed by law). Furthermore, Company Team Members are prohibited from having, possessing, or otherwise controlling weapons at any time and at any place while on Company business.

This policy applies to all Company team members, visitors and contractors on Company property. Company property includes, but is not limited to, permanent, temporary or leased structures, parking lots, Company-owned or leased vehicles, and or receiving and shipping docks.

As further clarification of this rule, the prohibition against weapons applies to both visible and concealed weapons, including those weapons for which a valid permit has been obtained. Any violation of this rule is a serious offense and disciplinary action may include immediate termination of employment.

Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable.





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I wouldn't use anything in a dollar store if they were giving it away with 10 dollar bills attached. It's all off shore ****, full of lead paint and pesticides to survive the trip over from China in steerage and who knows what else.
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I ordered a bunch of these double sided card on line about 10 years ago. In the rare occasion when I encounter a place that doesn't welcome my CCW I grace them with one of these. I have tried to order more but that outfit went away years ago.
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I've never understood the rationale to banning guns.
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I find it funny that they say they will comply with all fed, state, and local laws ... but also say you can't bring guns in here. Huh???
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Not that I would ever spend so much as a penny in the local family dollar closest to me but I'm not sure how this policy would fly since their store is in a strip plaza and they only lease the space. Besides, concealed is concealed. Right? My permit is issued by the state and sanctioned by a mandatory federal back round check. As far as I'm concerned their "policy" has No bearing on me.
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I've never understood the rationale to banning guns.
The reason is simple and obvious....ignorance.
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I find it funny that they say they will comply with all fed, state, and local laws ... but also say you can't bring guns in here. Huh???
What they dont know--most likely will never hurt them.That said, if I get a CHL? well--im just not going to do much worrying about certain things.
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I ordered a bunch of these double sided card on line about 10 years ago. In the rare occasion when I encounter a place that doesn't welcome my CCW I grace them with one of these. I have tried to order more but that outfit went away years ago.
Here's one I made up where you can print your own two-sided cards.

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While carrying in a business (except for bars) doesn't bother me one way or the other, I gotta say I support the right of business owners to conduct their businesses as they see fit. In my state, CC is legal nearly everywhere, but private business owners can legally enforce firearms prohibitions if they chose to. Not everybody thinks allowing firearms inside their premises is an enhancement to their bottom line or their customers' shopping experience. Who am I to argue with that?
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While carrying in a business (except for bars) doesn't bother me one way or the other, I gotta say I support the right of business owners to conduct their businesses as they see fit. In my state, CC is legal nearly everywhere, but private business owners can legally enforce firearms prohibitions if they chose to. Not everybody thinks allowing firearms inside their premises is an enhancement to their bottom line or their customers' shopping experience. Who am I to argue with that?
I agree and I just take it as a given. Conversely, we, in general, are just as free to continue or discontinue patronizing the businesses. May the losers lose...
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Not that I would ever spend so much as a penny in the local dollar general closest to me but I'm not sure how this policy would fly since their store is in a strip plaza and they only lease the space. Besides, concealed is concealed. Right? My permit is issued by the state and sanctioned by a mandatory federal back round check. As far as I'm concerned their "policy" has No bearing on me.
I think Family Dollar and your Dollar General are two different businesses.
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To the OP I'm curious what brought up the letter. Were you carrying in a store and they asked you to leave or was it something else.

The policy in the original post reads pretty boiler plate right out of many, if not that majority, of employee handbooks and policies found throughout the country. Other than the mention of visitors (which may not be the same as customers) it seems to apply to employees...still unfortunate but as most here already know, is not unusual and something many of us deal with when it comes to our employers.

I've don't remember seeing a no firearms sign on our local Family Dollar and in this area that means concealed carry is allowed. I hate to condemn any business before I have all the facts.

So I guess I just want to know what situation brought the letter on???
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I live in Missouri. The state law says that signs posted do not carry the force of law. When I CC, I can ignore them, unless asked to leave because I am carrying. If I do, no harm, no foul. If I don't, I can get a ticket for $100.

I like the way this law was written.
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While carrying in a business (except for bars) doesn't bother me one way or the other, I gotta say I support the right of business owners to conduct their businesses as they see fit. In my state, CC is legal nearly everywhere, but private business owners can legally enforce firearms prohibitions if they chose to. Not everybody thinks allowing firearms inside their premises is an enhancement to their bottom line or their customers' shopping experience. Who am I to argue with that?
It's the same in my state, private business here can legally reserve the right not to have firearms on their premises. In order for them to do so, they have to conspicuously post a notice that says so. I expect it is the same or similar in many places across the U.S.

I'm not defending the Family Dollar, but I think their policy isn't much different than a lot of businesses these days.

I suspect that those of us who don't work in law enforcement are subject to a policy much like the one in the OP if working in anyplace much bigger than a mom and pop operation. Seems like pretty normal fare for company policies these days.

The policy in the OP doesn't feel particulary anti-gun to me, rather it sounds like a choice by an employer that doesn't want guns in the workplace.

I think if I were a boss, (I'm not) and a lot of people working for me, I believe I'd really prefer they leave their guns home.
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I agree with Bill Bates, this appears to be something from the employee handbook and I would like to know a little bit of background before making any kind of judgement.
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Seems like they should just ban bad guys. And put the letters in red so they know they mean business.
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I think Family Dollar and your Dollar General are two different businesses.
I fixed it. We actually have both here.
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First, I meant to say Dollar Tree instead of the other one. Dollar tree just bought Family Dollar.
As to the situation, I had just walked in the store and had not gone 3 steps into the building when I was told to leave. The no gun sign is located on the bottom left corner of the store hours sign.
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NOTE TO ALL FAMILY DOLLAR EMPLOYEES FROM UPPER LEVEL MANAGEMENT.

we do not care for your safety, you are replaceable. it is fine if a thief steals a pack of cigarettes, it is no real loss. But you are not permitted to believe your life has any value.
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Here in Missouri, a business can ban carrying CCW or open carry by customers by posting the state mandated signs & they do have force of law............ If the employees of the business call your bluff & call the police, you will be arrested for CCW or open carry in an area which is posted to be banned. You can & probably will lose your CCW permit here in our county..... you just might lose the firearm involved too & rack up some sizeable legal fees.......... none of which will impress your wife if you are married.

Added: Me, I'd turn around & refuse to patronize any business here that posts those signs..... & urge my family & friends to do the same.............
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In general, in the absence of state law to the contrary, the owner of private property can condition entry or remaining on that private property with a prohibition of possession of a firearm. However, in doing so the owner is significantly restricting the ability of a person authorized by law to possess a firearm to defend him/herself or another. Is the owner of the property taking on an additional responsibility to safeguard those who enter or remain on the property in compliance with the owner's condition? I think that argument has some validity, and if I was injured as the result of criminal activity on such a property, I think I would sue on that basis.

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I remember the first time my wife and I entered a store that had some no guns allowed sign up on the wall. She asked what I thought, and my response was simply "What sign? I wasn't looking." I told her very that the most the business owner can do is ask you to leave, and if you leave when asked there is no problem. I never say anything, I just go about my business as need be but I try not to cater to stores who are that ignorant, but as a boss of mine once told me, he said that it has a lot to do with insurance and some of the insurance companies are the ones trying to make companies "safer". These are the same companies who jack up your Home Owners insurance if you have a pool or a trampoline. They see guns as a risk and a safety hazard. It's wrong but it is how they see them.
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Just put one of these places down the road from me, I'm so delighted with this type of business, well anyway they won't be seeing any money coming from my direction!
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Their store, their call. I won't shop anywhere that posts no guns allowed. It's not safe. Several stores in Seattle that posted these signs have been robbed.
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Their store, their call. I won't shop anywhere that posts no guns allowed. It's not safe. Several stores in Seattle that posted these signs have been robbed.
They are criminal safe zones. That's why they get robbed.

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First, I meant to say Dollar Tree instead of the other one. Dollar tree just bought Family Dollar.
As to the situation, I had just walked in the store and had not gone 3 steps into the building when I was told to leave. The no gun sign is located on the bottom left corner of the store hours sign.
How did they know you were armed? Were you open carrying a knife or firearm?
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When you come to my home or business I expect you to respect my rules. When I go into a business I expect to abide by the owner's rules.

Some businesses have policies that make me feel less welcome there than others, and I choose where to do business accordingly.
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I have not seen the required signs here.
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The letter quoted states they do not allow firearms in their stores under any circumstances. Does that also apply to law enforcement? Don't most departments require that their officers be armed while in their jurisdiction? Looks like they can't be in Family Dollar stores?

Da Gimp, you might want to reread the State Statutes on concealed carry and the individual bans on firearms. I believe those signs don't carry the force of law. It is when you refuse to leave when told to by an LEO that you are subject to the $100 fine. I could be wrong but I just read that last week on looking up another point of Missouri law.
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I live in Missouri. The state law says that signs posted do not carry the force of law. When I CC, I can ignore them, unless asked to leave because I am carrying. If I do, no harm, no foul. If I don't, I can get a ticket for $100.

I like the way this law was written.
Not so fast, you carry in a store and are asked to leave and refuse and LE's are called, then you can face a fine of up to $100 for the first offense..
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2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry permit issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121, or a concealed carry endorsement issued prior to August 28, 2013, shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her permit, and, if applicable, endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry permit, and, if applicable, endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry permit for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued pursuant to this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the concealed carry permit, or, if the person is a holder of a concealed carry endorsement issued prior to August 28, 2013, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the concealed carry permit or, if applicable, the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement. If the person holds an endorsement, the department of revenue shall issue a notice of such suspension or revocation of the concealed carry endorsement and take action to remove the concealed carry endorsement from the individual's driving record. The director of revenue shall notify the licensee that he or she must apply for a new license pursuant to chapter 302 which does not contain such endorsement. The notice issued by the department of revenue shall be mailed to the last known address shown on the individual's driving record. The notice is deemed received three days after mailing. "
The entire MO state statute..
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Guns, or no guns, I really don't need any reasons to stay out of that god-awful place, other than it's just not somewhere that I want to be...
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Here--if you ride an RTA bus--says no firearms--no knives. However,ive seen passengers wearing on their work belts--hatchets. Another person just last week,had a BB gun stuck in his wasteband. Nobody said nothing. I know several of the bus drivers well enough that they tell me all kinds of things. Even though its agaist company policies--these guys all have CHL and do carry.All but one of these guys are retired military--one is a retired CC police.

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Here--if you ride an RTA bus--says no firearms--no knives. However,ive seen passengers wearing on their work belts--hatchets. Another person just last week,had a BB gun stuck in his wasteband. Nobody said nothing. I know several of the bus drivers well enough that they tell me all kinds of things. Even though its agaist company policies--these guys all have CHL and do carry.All but one of these guys are retired military--one is a retired CC police.
City buses in MO are one of the 17 places prohibited for concealed carry....Bummer !
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City buses in MO are one of the 17 places prohibited for concealed carry....Bummer !
And that's one of the places in St. Louis I'd REALLY WANT to carry. There are several others but I don't have to go to those anymore.
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And that's one of the places in St. Louis I'd REALLY WANT to carry. There are several others but I don't have to go to those anymore.
Concealed means concealed.
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While carrying in a business (except for bars) doesn't bother me one way or the other, I gotta say I support the right of business owners to conduct their businesses as they see fit. In my state, CC is legal nearly everywhere, but private business owners can legally enforce firearms prohibitions if they chose to. Not everybody thinks allowing firearms inside their premises is an enhancement to their bottom line or their customers' shopping experience. Who am I to argue with that?
Here in Ohio we've had restaurant and bar carry since 2011. It hasn't been a problem. Of course you are not allowed to drink. Obviously drinking and carrying a firearm is a monumentally bad idea anywhere. Even if it's in your own home. I like you support the right of business owners to conduct their businesses as they see fit. If that includes allowing people to carry. Who am I to argue with that?
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Here in Missouri, a business can ban carrying CCW or open carry by customers by posting the state mandated signs & they do have force of law............ If the employees of the business call your bluff & call the police, you will be arrested for CCW or open carry in an area which is posted to be banned. You can & probably will lose your CCW permit here in our county..... you just might lose the firearm involved too & rack up some sizeable legal fees.......... none of which will impress your wife if you are married.

Added: Me, I'd turn around & refuse to patronize any business here that posts those signs..... & urge my family & friends to do the same.............
If they post signs that are on every day, 1 and 1/2 inch high, that reference 30.06, in English and Spanish, I won't bother to
shop there. This must be a new policy because I have not seen
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Pecos Bill said it all: CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED.
Fortunately I live in Alabama where we can carry open if we want to. However most LEO's will tell you if you have a concealed carry permit they do not want to see the gun. Why show it to anyone? The other day I was in Bass Pro and a kid was open carrying a semi auto on his belt. Did I look? Yes. I do carry concealed but you will not know it unless a situation develops where I have to show it. Be smart & be safe
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WOW!!! This is Dollar General's policy? I guess A LOT has changed with their corporate policies since Georgia Republican Senator David Purdue stepped down as their CEO?
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We only have three or four Dollar Trees around here and I was just in one about 3 weeks ago and noticed no signs. On the other hand we have several Dollar Generals and family Dollar store and I haven't noticed any signs in in of them. I know Dollar General is based in Goodletteville Tn and Family Dollar is based in my state in Charlotte N C. I haven't got a clue as to where Dollar Tree is based out of.
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Never been in a store with "Dollar" in the name. Could they possibly have cheaper, more inferior junk than WalMart? Joe
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I guess I am not clear which legally sanctioned activities they are allowed ban in their businesses.
Parking you car in their lot? A hairdressor carrying their scissors? A tatooist having needles in their pocket? These activities require licenses.
Wearing a hoodie? Carrying a comb? Talking on a cell phone? Everybody has pet peeves they don't like but if businesses come up with a policy banning them I am sure litigation would ensue.
Are police included? Their policy says ANYONE.
How is it that carrying a gun legally is an activity that can be banned with no legal repercussion?
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I guess I am not clear which legally sanctioned activities they are allowed ban in their businesses.
Parking you car in their lot? A hairdressor carrying their scissors? A tatooist having needles in their pocket? These activities require licenses.
Wearing a hoodie? Carrying a comb? Talking on a cell phone? Everybody has pet peeves they don't like but if businesses come up with a policy banning them I am sure litigation would ensue.
Are police included? Their policy says ANYONE.
How is it that carrying a gun legally is an activity that can be banned with no legal repercussion?
At least here in MO, a owner or his rep has the right to refuse service to anyone, failure to leave the premise results in a Trespassing violation..There are exemptions for the refusal of service, such as race and such..
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Thanks for the heads up. Will never step foot on the property again...
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First, I meant to say Dollar Tree instead of the other one. Dollar tree just bought Family Dollar.
As to the situation, I had just walked in the store and had not gone 3 steps into the building when I was told to leave. The no gun sign is located on the bottom left corner of the store hours sign.
They observed you carrying within 3 steps of entering the building!
You certainly were not CCW if this is the case.
Never been in Dollar General where anyone who worked there was that observant!
If you were CCW, maybe you need to review how you carry?
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Don't recall seeing posted signs at my local Family Dollar but will look next time.
If posted, it will be the last time my family spends a dollar at family dollar.
Same goes for Dollar General. Not a whole lot I buy at either anyway.
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City buses in MO are one of the 17 places prohibited for concealed carry....Bummer !
Here as far as I know if you have a CHL? there is no law broke if one decides to ride the bus carrying--which ive seen several times. At times, stupid company policies are meant to be broken. Their policy cant be easily enforced. So to me--its a stupid policy that law-abiding people have to follow since we know full well, the bad guys dont like obeying rules.
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We only have three or four Dollar Trees around here and I was just in one about 3 weeks ago and noticed no signs. On the other hand we have several Dollar Generals and family Dollar store and I haven't noticed any signs in in of them. I know Dollar General is based in Goodletteville Tn and Family Dollar is based in my state in Charlotte N C. I haven't got a clue as to where Dollar Tree is based out of.
I havent seen any here on doors to: Dollar general, General Dollar and Dollar Tree. In fact--early last year--a gun-totin-Yosemite-Sam-like person--stopped a robbery at a Dollar General. The stupid thug tried robbing the store because his ex-girlfriend was a cashier there. He got shot once by gun-totin Sam,then arrested when the GGs got there. Nothing at all happened to gun-totin Sam and he was even later awarded some-kind of plaque from the company.

I would like it to get back to the days where I could walk into any bank--armed--and not have the Marines,Delta Force,SWAT etc--called out--like I was used to--back in my old home town..
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Never been in a store with "Dollar" in the name. Could they possibly have cheaper, more inferior junk than WalMart? Joe
Actually,ive found a few good quality items at these cheapo stores.Recently--I got two metal-mesh grease splatter screens for one buck, a stainless steel strainer for a buck,a few good spatulas each for a buck,and I find good dvds with classic movies on them for from two to about four bucks. Occasionally,ill buy food items there-which are cheaper than you can get from my usual haunts.

And yes--ive tried talking them into carrying Ammo too. But so far--nada.
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