I stopped by GM and another large shooting range gun shop last night to do some window shopping. Maybe I am nuts but why would a store that sells ammo and guns and have a range require you to check your guns at the door. No loaded guns allowed. Is this normal in all states..Ohio is pretty gun friendly. This struck me as very odd.
The employees at the range all open carried firearms yet they didn't want me in there if I had a concealed/ unconcealed loaded gun...yet the teach CCW classes.

The GM store actually wanted all guns checked in when you walked in. Maybe they would put a zip tie through the lock works I didn't ask.
Now that I think about it they do that same at all gun shows..just not sure I understand it.
It's like double talk..." buy your CCWs here but you cannot use it here."

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yeah, bass pro is like that near me. they do not however ask if you're packing. i work part time at a LGS with a small range. we do insist that any guns to be used on the range be clear. there is a sign on the front door that says "no loaded guns allowed, unless you are LEO". its mostly for the dopes. any and all of the regulars carry concealed, and as long as it stays that way, we don't have a problem with it.

Being gun friendly many who carry want to show them to others that have a similar interest.

To many bullets bouncing around gun shops. Maybe..?

This seems to vary from place to place. The range I currently belong to allows loaded open/concealed weapons while the former range/gunstore did not. I believe they're trying to keep things safe, I've seen some pretty dumb things from people walking into a gunstore w/a loaded weapon, then unholstering to show it to a clerk or someone else. Seems pretty silly to have your customers check or unload their weapons.

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Probably more chance of ND with holster/reholster. I wouldn't visit that place if they made you do that.

Everybody goes to the gun store. The person who has never touched one to Roy Rogers. GS doesn't know who to trust, so makes a rule to cover everybody. You might be safe, but they don't let the guy who might shoot you carry loaded in the store either.

General Motors?

Cabela's here has a similar sign but it's referring to guns you intend to remove from the protection of your holster. We can carry openly or concealed without 'checking' the gun in on arrival. If you intend to test fit your gun to their holster, they want to check it first. Not unreasonable.

Believe it or not, but there are stupid people that own guns. The store doesn't want a customer trying to jam a loaded handgun into a holster with other customers around.

They've probably seen too many goobers trying out holsters using loaded guns...

There's the chance that their Insurance requires it.

Gander Mountain is my guess.

Gander mountain yes

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Think Gunsmoke, Check your weapon upon entering town. Don't **** with Marshall Dillon.

I have a choice in a number of GS. One good one with a good selection unfortunately has an unenforceable sign. Because of
that I bought my last three guns at the GS with no such sign.
It may not be enforceable but I am not as comfortable being there and ignoring the sign although i was told that it was for people
trading their guns and not for CHL carriers like me.

I was at the Gander Mountain in Sheffield Village OH yesterday. There is a sign on the front door stating that all guns must be checked at the service desk, but the smaller print below that says "This does not apply to CCW permit holders."

They just don't want you taking the gun out your holster while you are in the store.

The gun store closest to my home has the following sign on the door:

“Guns Are Welcome on the Premises. Please keep all weapons holstered unless need arises. In such case judicious, marksmanship appreciated.”

That's odd. The "Bubba Moun'n" in my area has a sign on the door that says CCers and OCers are specifically exempt from their escort requirements.

My understanding is that they only require it when you're bringing a firearm in for sale, service, or gunsmithing.

Maybe I'm reading the situation wrong, but my assumption would normally be that this represents what is intended in most places where such restrictions are posted. It means, "Don't take out your gun to play with it, do show and tell, check out a holster, or any any other stupid maneuver you may have had in mind. Don't even let anyone see it." The sane people are already following that, anyway, so it doesn't affect them. The idiots wouldn't quite manage to follow if they were instructed what I quoted, so the LGS owner just posts a no-carry policy.

Makes sense to me. There may be one or two states where that policy has a different legal effect, and a responsible license holder stays on top of such things.

That's how the sign in a GM in western PA reads. There's another nearby store that politely requests that you do not unholster or uncase loaded firearms in their store. Makes sense to me.

Their store, their rules. I certainly wouldn't want someone doing something I disapproved of on my property.

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First mbliss57, if you live in NE Ohio why are you wasting your time at Gander Mountain, Fin Feather and Fur is so much more suitable and has better prices.

That said here in Michigan the closest Gander Mountain only requires firearms that will be handled in some fashion be checked at the door. Keep you concealed firearms concealed and they do not need to be checked. What this means is that if you are going to have a new scope mounted or have a handgun you might trade in, those do have to be checked at the door.

In my area local gun shops have no problem with their customers carrying loaded firearms. However one shop does feature a notice at the door that any customer drawing a firearm from concealment does so at risk of getting shot. I was recently in there and decided to do a bit of holster shopping for a new to me 19-3 and needed to ask the salesman to remove my concealed handgun so I could tryout the new holster I was interested in for fit. Standard practice in that event is your firearm will then be unloaded and you cannot reload it in the store. As for why, too much history of LEO's and Civilians shooting themselves in the backside while holstering a loaded firearm.

No problem with CC at my local GM.

Big problem with stupid prices.

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Next time I stop at the Mentor Gander M. I will double check their sign. But I read it quite carefully as I was looking for the exception to CC. I know what the store owner/ corporation wants...no ND on it property. But it's not hard to say "Do not unholster any weapons for any reason unless it's for self defense or some such language."

As for Fin Feather Fur vs Gander Mountain..I agree 90%. But GM is 10 minutes from my house and FFF is 1 hour. Besides I only go to GM to look at their used gun selection. I have found 3 jewels in there by doing that. IMO they under priced 2 semi autos and 1 wheel guns by several hundred each. So it's worth the 5 minutes i am in there once every couple of months to check. FFFs nor GMs used gun selection are very extensive. GMs used guns are USUALLY way over priced.

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All the gun stores around my neck of the woods have a sign that basically says if you're going to remove the gun for holster fitting or gun smithing, it has to be checked, if not, then keep it holstered unless the need arises.

FYI, I do most of my gun shopping, as mentioned in previous threads, at the local GM because they price match and the staff is much nicer.

Sorry if you disagree, but I would not do business with ANY business that does not allow concealed carry. ESPECIALLY a gun store. Who owns it, Nancy Pelosi???

Same here in MN.

LGS in my town has a large sign over the door on exterior that states "All guns must be in a case"....I've never asked about CC guns on one's body but I think of my holster as a "case" when I go there, suspect most other CCW holders do to. Have never been questioned by any store personnel. If ever told I was in violation of store policy by carrying concealed I would gladly take my business elsewhere.

I travel TX, LA, and AR often. All the various stores have rules that weapons be presented at the desk, except for CC, which may NOT be displayed or removed from the holster on premises. At my ranges, you may NOT unholster a CC weapon. If you want to shoot it, remove it in the car, unload it, and put it in a case/rug.

All of the above exempt CC weapons, so long as they remain CC. I saw a guy at Cabela's hike up his shirt to "show" someone his CC. He was escorted out, and "invited" to never return.

CC means CC. Amazing how many folks do not understand that.

I have seen it many times. A guy with a concealed gun just has to show it off and the temptation is much larger in the gun store. These clowns take a loaded gun out and point it in all directions. Then, if a conscientious person mentions muzzle control, they try to belittle him by calling him a safety sally or some other attempt at derogation.

There are a few places around here that have similar signs. Those signs are only intended for the idiots. As long as you keep it in your holster, they don't really care.

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I have no problem with it. As said above to many goobers not thinking about my safety.

what is the other store? they wont get my businness as an ohio resident

Not sure another Ohio store was mentioned other than Fin Feather & Fur. They have a similar sign requiring any gun that is going to be handled in the store must be checked at the service desk.

Doesn't apply to CCW permit holders, so long as you keep it concealed. I've never had a problem carrying at FFF.

Concealed is concealed and if you are carrying concealed, it needs to stay that way. If you want to take out and play with it, leave the store premises, make it safe, and comply with all store guidelines about bringing a firearm THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT into the store.

In my state, if you are carrying concealed in a non-government establishment that is posted NO FIREARMS and it becomes known that you have a firearm, only trespassing charges can be filed. There is no legal clause that states anyone other than law enforcement can disarm a legal CCW holder. So your choices would be 1) to carry CONCEALED and keep it concealed, knowingly disobeying that business's posted policy, 2) don't patronize that business, or 3) disarm yourself and give them your money.

Vote with your wallet. I don't buy where I can't carry.

Whole states lose my business. NJ, IL, CA, NY, MD, when I

travel, I either drive through them without stopping, or don't

cross their border in the first place. Stores are the same. If

they want me as a customer, they better treat me right. I spend

too much money to be giving it to people who have their heads

stuck up their, ah, sleeves. Yeah, that's it...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure General Motors has an indoor range, it's right down the hall from the executive cafeteria.

Unless I am going through a metal detector, I ignore those signs like I ignore the yellow speed limit signs on exit ramps. I consider them merely a suggestion. My carry gun(s) are well concealed, and I don't take it out except to use it, no matter what. I'll take my chances with management if I have to . . .

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I have never been in a gun store in KS that requires that, including Cabela's. I would not surrender mine ever if there were such a sign because by KS law I can carry mine anywhere an active officer can.

There's a steel can looks like a safe about the size of a one pound coffee can at the door of the Bass Pro in NJ. Is that to fire into to be sure the chamber is empty, I can't find the name of it and that has to raise a few eye brows if there is one in the pipe and it's a big one. I'd be pretty mad if someone fired a round in the store without warning, I have enough problems with my hearing.

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Every gun store here in South Florida has a sign on the door:

"No loaded guns allowed" That applies to concealed guns or otherwise. Always surprised me. I carry anyway and so does everyone else. But never pull your concealed gun out in a gun store, it is a great way to get shot dead. On video it will totally be a justified shooting too.

I have seen more than one dumbass pull their concealed gun out in a gunstore. I hit the deck every time. They then get a lecture from the staff on how they could have been shot.

What state would that be?

Traditionally you have to be told to leave before a trespassing citation could be issued.

Always nice to see a gun enthusiast that supports gun control. This is exactly what they want. Those state governments thank you for supporting their agenda.

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Those devices are are usually called clearing stations or unloading barrels. They're used to point the muzzle at while unloading. Nobody just points a gun at it and pulls the trigger.

Well . . .

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That makes more sense than what I was thinking, half the store would be soiling their britches.

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We have a Sub shop with the same sign posted over the drink dispenser.

We've always called them clearing barrels or bullet traps:


I've never seen it in person, but many have put rounds into them. Some get the sequence backward; they eject the one in the chamber, remove the mag and then press the trigger. Thank God for clearing barrels.

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This is what we had in the office. Sat on a table in the weapons room near the back entrance . . .

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With gun shows its a insurance related. Gun shows are set up and held in someone's facility. For that to be allowed they require all guns checked.

Depending on where you are, after you clear your gun you pull the trigger. Modt places Ive been to, thats the procedure. Of course sometimes the gun isnt cleared.

Like I said, nobody just points the gun at it and pulls the trigger.

I've never been to a place that encouraged anyone to pull the trigger after clearing. Show clear and hold open is the rule for me, and that's usually when the zip tie comes in . . .

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Its to ensure its empty. If it aint you keep going till you empty the whole magazine!

I remember I shot one dead with a blank. Instructions may have said one thing but the orders passed on were to shoot to ensure it was clear. They didnt clarify to drop the mag then clear chamber so much. I was not the only one.

Yeah, smart guy, I hope they thank me for not spending a dime on their tourism, or in their economy, whatsoever.

What? You try to defeat gun control, by going to states like
Illinois and New Jersey, and spending money into their
system? Oh, please elaborate...

As testimony to goobers, the range I previously used has some bullet damage on a couple walls. One day I was going in and two young goobers in the pickup truck ahead of me was apparently playing with a pistol and had a door open. A second later I learned they were playing with the pistol when the darn thing discharged out the open door and I heard them yelling at each other. Words to the effect of what are you doing you stupid ... As a result, I now only practice on my own range at the farm. If you talk to some some shop employees a bit, you will learn that the bounds of stupidity of some of the people that go there has no basement.

Most gun shops here require no loaded guns enter the store, except CWP holders who must keep their guns concealed in the store. Unloaded guns must be carried into the store in a case and must be presented to a shop employee to be opened.