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I wasnt aware that open carry was allowed in as many as 45 States
I read yesterday on some slanted yahoo posted news story which was talking about Texas and open carry. As usual, the antis were out in full force showing their lack of knowledge and vast amounts of stupidity.
That said, I didn't know that all but 5 States allowed open carry. I knew at least 35 or so did. Anyway, Texas is the 45th to have it. The exceptions are (as listed in the article) Calif, illinois, New York, South Carolina and the one that surprised me was that FLORIDA was the other.
Texas has roughly 826,000 (as per article) CCLs here as of 2014, and I highly suspect tens of thousands more now. Texas (as per the article) also has the highest number of Fed Firearms Licensed dealers and gun manufacturers in the country.
This kinda surprises me but, Austin Police will not check people for their licenses to carry due to possible and probable harassment lawsuits.
One thing I forgot to mention some time ago in someone else's thread, is that currently and locally in my area--probably as well in other places, that every local CCL class, are fully booked through Feb and probably into March.
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Did they happen to mention that in some states, open carry is only legal for concealed permit holders?
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I read the same article today in the Boston Globe.
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Did they happen to mention that in some states, open carry is only legal for concealed permit holders?
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Nope since the article was about Texas. One has to assume its the same as with some other States. Here its only for those who already have their CCL.
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We just had another citizen confront car thieves in front of his home in the early AM.
This one didn't end well, the homeowner was killed.
The great irony is, he was a gun owner and had a CC Permit!
Albuquerque Journal | Four Hills man killed confronting car thieves
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Open carry was legal here in Arizona since Day One. We just got concealed carry about 25 years ago. The thousands of us with concealed carry permits are still waiting for "The blood will be running in the streets" to occur as predicted by the anti's.
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It's interesting that there is such a discussion about open carry. Is it legal to hunt in your state with a long gun or hand gun? Yes? Must the gun be concealed while you are hunting except while actually shooting the game? No? Then open carry is legal in your state. Is it legal to carry a gun openly while not hunting? That's where the rub comes in. On one hand you can open carry on the other you can't. Sounds like the perfect catch 22.
Yes I do know what is meant here about open carry. I just feel like stirring the pot a little.
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Open carry is allowed in most states but rarely seen. Once in my 10 years living in central Iowa where open carry is allowed if you have your CCW I have seen exactly 1 person open carrying. In Texas absolutely nothing will change once open carry is allowed.
The one thing nice about open is that you don't have to worry about accidentally exposing your gun should your shirt get caught on something.
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I live in the SSRNJ, and while you can carry your shotgun openly during hunting season with a valid hunting license, forget attempting that with a handgun.
NJ is a "may issue state", and doesn't grant it's citizens the right to self defense in its constitution. Attempt to open carry or carry concealed, and you are facing felony charges. Unless you are either politically connected or a retired LEO, forget getting a CCW. In fact, being the victim of domestic violence is a nearly automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit!
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Here in Southern Nevada, it's not unusual to see someone open carrying, even when shopping in a food market. Don't get me wrong, it is very legal, but still very limited. Hell, today, I was at a Best Buy and there were two cowboy types, probably from the rodeo circuit in town, open carrying western style hand guns.
Actually, I see it more now days, than I did a couple of years back. I even open carry, on rare occasions, but I much prefer concealed carry.
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I'm pretty sure that IN is an open carry state but I'm not sure if it
requires a CC permit or not. I've never been interested in OCing in
public so I've never bothered to look up the rules. I have never seen
anyone in public doing the things that cause so much controversy in
other states, like grocery shopping with an AR slung over your back.
I've seen a few people OCing handguns in places where they might
have cash on them, like public auctions. No one pays any attention
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Wisconsin has always been an open carry State. It wasn't till 2012 that it became a conceal carry State.
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Open carry was legal here in Arizona since Day One. We just got concealed carry about 25 years ago. The thousands of us with concealed carry permits are still waiting for "The blood will be running in the streets" to occur as predicted by the anti's.
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It's interesting that there is such a discussion about open carry.
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It is, isn't it? It's become almost as interesting as bear gun threads.
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Yes I do know what is meant here about open carry. I just feel like stirring the pot a little.
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The open carry pot boiled over a year or two ago, don't know what's left to stir.
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Here in Southern Nevada, it's not unusual to see someone open carrying, even when shopping in a food market. Don't get me wrong, it is very legal, but still very limited. Hell, today, I was at a Best Buy and there were two cowboy types, probably from the rodeo circuit in town, open carrying western style hand guns.
Actually, I see it more now days, than I did a couple of years back. I even open carry, on rare occasions, but I much prefer concealed carry.
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Living in Las Vegas (moving to Henderson this summer) has its OC challenges if one chooses to do so.
Although by law someone can OC among the throng of tourists on or around The Strip, it's highly recommended to not do so. The potential headaches about the same tourists calling 911 on you isn't worth it.
One of the more troubling sights I saw was at a local Walmart. There was a guy in his mid to late 20's OCing a 1911 in a nylon one-size-fits-all holster. No magazine in and hammer-down.
On the sightly humorous side, if you ever go to Pahrump you'll see a multitude of people exercising their right to OC. Of course, they're all from out of state (more than likely Californians) attending the classes at Front Sight. The only locals that you'll see OCing are the FS instructors on their way to or from teaching.
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Wisconsin has always been an open carry State. It wasn't till 2012 that it became a conceal carry State.
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I have lived in Wisconsin for 50 years.
Have NEVER seen anyone OC (except at ranges).
Then again I live in the communist capitol.
I am sure it happens in rural areas.
In the short period we have had CC roughly 250K permits have been issued.
Wisconsin concealed-carry permit applications slowing but still strong
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Iowa is an open carry state and became a "shall issue state" about 5 years ago. I have had my permit since 2001 and was not aware that open carry required the same permit. Virtually no one here open carries. I don't because I don't want to be targeted by some BG or insulted by one of Bloomberg's crazy gun haters.
The 'Blood in the Streets' and 'Dodge City shootouts' is a favorite of the disgraceful Gannett newspaper chain. They went nuts when shall issue was legislated here. No such thing has happened. A local supermarket chain put up No Guns signs at that time and went bankrupt and liquidated. Coincidence????
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Hopefully FL will be joining the list.
I'm not an advocate of OC per say, but believe it's a right that has been disingenuously stripped over time.
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The FL OC legislation is intended to protect CCW holders from over zealous LE and District/City Prosecutors who have harassed legally licensed carriers inadvertently exposing their weapon with no malicious intent.
The CCW will be a requirement to OC.
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A follow-up question regarding open carry. Are individual municipalities permitted to ban open carry while its state government permits it? I ask because [I think I just discovered that Montana permits open carry] Missoula, for example, is a heavily progressive municipality that invariably votes for Democratic Party candidates while the remainder of Missoula County does not. In the real world municipalities that are politically similar to Missoula are likely to restrict or ban open carry - or any carry.
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That would depend on the square meter of this country you inhabit.
Welcome to the twisted, cruel, world of USA gun laws.
The city I live in, for instance, banned selling handguns until the state recently stepped in and preempted
that idiocy by unifying and nullifying most city gun laws.
Sadly, in most cases it depends on how good a lawyer you can afford.
Take a look at the stupid state of Neighborhood Association rules.
Your freedoms are something you must be aware of and defend every minute of your life.
Otherwise the self-serving politicians will take them away and somehow make money doing so.
To answer your question more seriously: ask your state attorney general.
This question is one that is being asked a lot.
Many cities (think Chicago or New York) think they are above the law. State or Federal.
Hell, maybe they are.
We fought our bloodiest war over this stuff.
And it's not over yet.
This question also has another side.
Suppose a city (or state) decides the state (or Fed) has over-reached and passed unctious restrictive authoritarian laws.
They pass statutes pre-empting or plain ignoring those laws (think smoking pot or accepting unlimited immigrants).
The Fed decides they don't like this local law and raid (or otherwise disrupt).
Who's rights are being served here?
The meek will probably not inherit this country (or the earth).
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I find South Carolina's ban on open carry disgusting. Because the alternative, carrying concealed, requires a permit. Hence, to keep and bear arms, you need a permit, and no permit should be required for exercising your rights. I say if you ban open carry, then concealed carry should not require a permit. If you are allowed to open carry, then, and only then, should a concealed permit be required.
My theory is they banned open carry to rid themselves of the shotgun-in-the-truck-back-window stigma.
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THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
I can't picture open carrying in NJ, CONN, MASS, IL (CHICAGO?), DEL,MD,DC?, nor hanging 10 with a cowboy rig in HA.
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A follow-up question regarding open carry. Are individual municipalities permitted to ban open carry while its state government permits it? I ask because [I think I just discovered that Montana permits open carry] Missoula, for example, is a heavily progressive municipality that invariably votes for Democratic Party candidates while the remainder of Missoula County does not. In the real world municipalities that are politically similar to Missoula are likely to restrict or ban open carry - or any carry.
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Colorado is open carry but many of the urban areas aren't.Its confusing enough that I would only open carry in the boonies.
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Visitors to Wyoming can carry openly, but you have to live here six months, and thus go native, to carry concealed without a permit.
Opinions seem to differ as to whether it is okay to carry your large bowie knife concealed sans permit as opposed to openly. Thus one sees many large belt knives openly carried. A man needs his stabberin tool.
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I find South Carolina's ban on open carry disgusting....
My theory is they banned open carry to rid themselves of the shotgun-in-the-truck-back-window stigma.
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I used to live in the Lowcountry. I had always thought the shotgun in the back window remained legal there. It certainly was not unknown in rural areas surrounding Beaufort where folks were a bit...****stic.
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P/U RIFLE RACK
The shotgun has long since been replaced with a black rifle and a "break my window and steal my stuff" bumper sticker, in MANY areas. I will no longer leave a spare gun or anything of value in the truck when hunting, even on private land.
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Technically it is legal in Maryland.
But that does not mean that they will let you do it.
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I can't picture open carrying in NJ, CONN, MASS, IL (CHICAGO?), DEL,MD,DC?, nor hanging 10 with a cowboy rig in HA.
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Technically legal for a CCL holder to open carry in Mass, but can and likely would be used by your CLEO to determine you to be an "unsuitable" person, resulting in the revocation of said CCL. Even inadvertently allowing a jacket to blow open, or a shirt to ride up, and briefly reveal an otherwise perfectly legal CCW would be, and has been, used to the same effect.
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Open-carry, while certainly better than no-carry, has one drawback: an armed criminal will probably shoot you immediately as soon as he sees the gun on your hip. Concealed-carry avoids that problem. A small but very important detail.
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Please provide a news article link about such a shooting. There must be several quickly available . . .
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It's interesting that there is such a discussion about open carry. Is it legal to hunt in your state with a long gun or hand gun? Yes? Must the gun be concealed while you are hunting except while actually shooting the game? No? Then open carry is legal in your state. Is it legal to carry a gun openly while not hunting? That's where the rub comes in. On one hand you can open carry on the other you can't. Sounds like the perfect catch 22.
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As far as I know it is legal to use either or, to hunt with. But lacking knowledge on it? I'm only assuming its legal. I'm not a hunter so dunno.
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I live in the SSRNJ, and while you can carry your shotgun openly during hunting season with a valid hunting license, forget attempting that with a handgun.
NJ is a "may issue state", and doesn't grant it's citizens the right to self defense in its constitution. Attempt to open carry or carry concealed, and you are facing felony charges. Unless you are either politically connected or a retired LEO, forget getting a CCW. In fact, being the victim of domestic violence is a nearly automatic disqualifier for a purchase permit!
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This kinda surprises me but, Austin Police will not check people for their licenses to carry due to possible and probable harassment lawsuits.
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Georgia law precludes a LEO asking to see a permit unless said LEO has Reasonable Articulable Suspicion to indicate that a crime is in progress, or has been committed. This has been the case for many years, but the latest legislation (the "Guns Everywhere" law) actually includes language specific to this issue.
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A follow-up question regarding open carry. Are individual municipalities permitted to ban open carry while its state government permits it? I ask because [I think I just discovered that Montana permits open carry] Missoula, for example, is a heavily progressive municipality that invariably votes for Democratic Party candidates while the remainder of Missoula County does not. In the real world municipalities that are politically similar to Missoula are likely to restrict or ban open carry - or any carry.
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Nope, they can't. Our Atty Gen--Paxton, already said if certain areas try? that THEY will be breaking the law and subject to prosecution--and he already said he will back the citizen to the fullest. Here, our county idiots tried to ban guns in county buildings but, Paxton said they would then be breaking the law. Next day, they changed their tune. Now, the only area in the courthouse that carrying isn't permitted, is in the courtroom. That makes perfect sense to me. The only other places that will not allow guns, are any establishment who's sales of alcohol exceed 51%. The only area business that's already said they aren't allowing of, is the H.E.B. grocery store chain. So far, nobody else locally, has come out banning of in their establishments.
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Open-carry, while certainly better than no-carry, has one drawback: an armed criminal will probably shoot you immediately as soon as he sees the gun on your hip. Concealed-carry avoids that problem. A small but very important detail.
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Highly doubtful and to date, I've never heard that happening anywhere. Also, those with CCL here, are vetted by there FBI, trained by either, CCL instructors, retired military and LEOs. Barney Fife will not be teaching any classes here. When I get my chance at a class? I fully intend getting a class that has a retired Texas Ranger conducting the class.
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I'm pretty sure that IN is an open carry state but I'm not sure if it
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North Carolina is an Open Carry state with no permit required. There are some restrictions so it is best to check before carrying. It is not very popular at all. I can remember seeing only two people carrying open.
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Let me fix that for you:
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Open-carry, while certainly better than no-carry, has one drawback: an armed criminal will probably seek a softer target immediately as soon as he sees the gun on your hip. Concealed-carry avoids that problem by making you appear unarmed; thus offering more opportunities to use your CCW. A small but very important detail.
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A follow-up question regarding open carry. Are individual municipalities permitted to ban open carry while its state government permits it? I ask because [I think I just discovered that Montana permits open carry] Missoula, for example, is a heavily progressive municipality that invariably votes for Democratic Party candidates while the remainder of Missoula County does not. In the real world municipalities that are politically similar to Missoula are likely to restrict or ban open carry - or any carry.
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It depends on the State. For example, Nevada allowed cities to impart their own gun laws until the Governor signed a bill this year which took the power away from the cities to have their own gun laws override the states laws.
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Rusty..... snubbyfan......fire up the popcorn machines.
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North Carolina is an Open Carry state with no permit required. There are some restrictions so it is best to check before carrying. It is not very popular at all. I can remember seeing only two people carrying open.
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Yeah, it creates a strange action. You may legally carry a gun in your console in South Carolina, without a permit. If you have no permit, when you get to the North Carolina border, you must take it out of the console and place it on a seat, or anywhere else where it is openly visible. And vice versa. Put it back in the console or glove box when you re-enter SC.
I have a permit, so I don't bother. But it sure is strange. Reminds me of the mess with state alcoholic beverage laws when I traveled 40 years ago. Every state was different; few state laws made any sense at all.
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The FL OC legislation is intended to protect CCW holders from over zealous LE and District/City Prosecutors who have harassed legally licensed carriers inadvertently exposing their weapon with no malicious intent.
The CCW will be a requirement to OC.
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This is certainly why I'm strongly in favor of the OC passing here. If it does, I'll certainly not be shopping for a "barbeque gun" and rig, but it would be nice if I didn't have to worry about a gust of wind catching my jacket while the wrong person is looking.
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I used to live in the Lowcountry. I had always thought the shotgun in the back window remained legal there. It certainly was not unknown in rural areas surrounding Beaufort where folks were a bit...****stic.
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Aw now, those folks down there aren't rustic. They're just...well, I dunno...they're just... different.
I fit right in when I visit.
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Originally Posted by Gamecock
Yeah, it creates a strange action. You may legally carry a gun in your console in South Carolina, without a permit. If you have no permit, when you get to the North Carolina border, you must take it out of the console and place it on a seat, or anywhere else where it is openly visible. And vice versa. Put it back in the console or glove box when you re-enter SC.
I have a permit, so I don't bother. But it sure is strange. Reminds me of the mess with state alcoholic beverage laws when I traveled 40 years ago. Every state was different; few state laws made any sense at all.
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You are right! I had a friend that was going from NC to SC and ending up in jail because of it.
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Originally Posted by alwslate
I'm pretty sure that IN is an open carry state but I'm not sure if it
requires a CC permit or not. I've never been interested in OCing in
public so I've never bothered to look up the rules. I have never seen
anyone in public doing the things that cause so much controversy in
other states, like grocery shopping with an AR slung over your back.
I've seen a few people OCing handguns in places where they might
have cash on them, like public auctions. No one pays any attention
to them.
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Yep, you do have to have a LTCH; there is no concealment requirement. I see it every now and then; most don't even seem to notice it. I always look just because I'm always interested in seeing what others carry.
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Open carry is permitted in Washington State by our State Constitution. No permit needed to carry openly. Our state is a shall issue state for concealed carry and a permit is needed.
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Open carry is permitted in Washington State by our State Constitution. No permit needed to carry openly. Our state is a shall issue state for concealed carry and a permit is needed.
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Our state constitution does not permit open carry, it recognizes it as a right. OC is lawful because there are no laws prohibiting it.
You are right that we are shall issue, but you are issued a license for concealed carry not a permit. Also, you may carry concealed without a concealed pistol license if going to, engaged in, or returning from an outdoor activity like fishing or hiking.
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OC is lawful in wisconsin because there is no law against it as well.
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