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Old 07-07-2016, 01:23 PM
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If someone has already started this thread, I apologize.

On July 1, businesses that disarm concealed carry permit holders with gun-free signage will be liable for the safety of those permit holders.

Tennessee Businesses That Disarm Concealed Carry Permit Holders Now Liable for Their Safety - Breitbart
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:07 PM
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This points to the obvious..... If you are legally carrying , you are not a threat. If you have a canceled weapon and are prohibited from owning or possessing a weapon (hand gun) then the bets are off.

I was pulled over for a traffic stop in AZ. In Gila Bend AZ late at night in 2014. I turned on all my in side lights and rolled down all my windows and gave the officer my hand gun when he asked. No problem. Only got a warning.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:07 AM
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Finally! A common sense gun statute I agree with!
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Perfect! Common sense plus it will force anti gun establishments to rethink their policies!
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:31 PM
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When I have seen those signs I turned around and shopped elsewhere.
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:42 PM
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When I have seen those signs I turned around and shopped elsewhere.
The stores I was a long term customer with, I also told the owners why I was taking my business elsewhere! All of those stores have now away with the signs!

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It's about time.

Perhaps next year it can be amended to make such business owners liable if the weapon the CCW permit holder had to leave in the vehicle gets stolen - both for the loss of the weapon and the "consequential damage" caused when that weapon is later used in a crime.

It's about time gun owners go on the offensive with laws like that in order to keep the other side busy. That type of "offense" makes more sense that always playing defense in terms of what the other side tries to ban next.
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If I were an anti-gun store owner I'd take my chances with sucessfully being sued in the minuscule possibility of a shooting vs having the government black mail me into allowing guns on my private property. Silly stuff for anyone who can do the math. It's their private property, if you don't like what they want to do with their business, don't go in. This is just government intrusion, but it's ok because we like this huh?

This is why I loath politicians on both sides of the aisle. They spend their time on this sort of headline grabbing nonsense instead of fixing real issues.
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Old 07-10-2016, 12:17 PM
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With all due respect to Post 8, when "private property" is used for the purpose of a business which is open to the public, the government intrudes all the time on the "rights" of the owner - into issues of serving those of another race, another gender, those with other beliefs, those with different sexual orientation, those who "feel like" the opposite gender and therefore are "entitled" to use whichever restroom they wish, etc.

If private property owners who open their places to the public can be made to accommodate those "rights," it is certainly a reasonable expectation that they should be made to honor the right to bear arms for lawful self-defense.

A business owner cannot deprive patrons of other rights, some of which are not even recognized in the Constitution. Therefore, a business owner should likewise not be able to interfere with the basic right of self-defense. The constitutional rights of gun owners to bear arms for self-defense is NOT a second-class right subject to the whims of some anti-gun business owner.

Therefore, ANY intrusion into MY ability to protect myself either inside, or outside my home in any place open to the public, is exactly the kind of law or policy that we should vigorously oppose, and those who would interfere with the basic right of self-defense should feel the consequences thereof.

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Disagree with the law as I disagreed with Tennessee's Guns In Parking Lots. Property rights should NOT be trampled to pander to gun owners. Dreaming up special liability laws in this case seems odd since properly posted no gun signs are enforceable by law.

If the boys in Nashville want to tackle the issue, they should first create law that makes legal gun carry on all properties owned and operated by state, county and city governments.

Looks like to me Nashville could start tree trimming government denial of gun carry here --


Places Off-Limits Even With a Permit/License

* Any room in which judicial proceedings are in progress.

 *Any public or private school building or bus, on any public or private school campus, grounds,
recreation area, athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution.

* An individual, corporation, business entity or government entity or agent thereof is authorized to prohibit possession of weapons by any person otherwise authorized by this subsection, at meetings conducted by, or on premises owned, operated, managed or under control of such individual, corporation, business entity or government entity. Notice of such prohibition shall be posted in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the building, portion of the building or buildings where weapon possession is prohibited. Cities/Counties can post their parks.

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Old 07-12-2016, 04:19 PM
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Yet in Tennessee, a landlord can put a no-guns clause into your lease and enforce it.
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Yet in Tennessee, a landlord can put a no-guns clause into your lease and enforce it.
That's interesting. But the cynic in me wonders if this clause is selectively enforced.
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With all due respect to Post 8, when "private property" is used for the purpose of a business which is open to the public, the government intrudes all the time on the "rights" of the owner - into issues of serving those of another race, another gender, those with other beliefs, those with different sexual orientation, those who "feel like" the opposite gender and therefore are "entitled" to use whichever restroom they wish, etc.

If private property owners who open their places to the public can be made to accommodate those "rights," it is certainly a reasonable expectation that they should be made to honor the right to bear arms for lawful self-defense.

A business owner cannot deprive patrons of other rights, some of which are not even recognized in the Constitution. Therefore, a business owner should likewise not be able to interfere with the basic right of self-defense. The constitutional rights of gun owners to bear arms for self-defense is NOT a second-class right subject to the whims of some anti-gun business owner.

Therefore, ANY intrusion into MY ability to protect myself either inside, or outside my home in any place open to the public, is exactly the kind of law or policy that we should vigorously oppose, and those who would interfere with the basic right of self-defense should feel the consequences thereof.
You inarguably make excellent points above. But if you don't feel safe going into a business without your EDC, go to their competitor. I'm actually left leaning in my politics. But I have an economics degree. If a private business wants to discrimate let them. In 2016 I believe with all the vocal special interest groups - taking on the wrong groups would close your business through a boycott. Adam Smiths Invisible Hand should keep a smart business owner from committing financial suicide.
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If I were an anti-gun store owner I'd take my chances with sucessfully being sued in the minuscule possibility of a shooting vs having the government black mail me into allowing guns on my private property. Silly stuff for anyone who can do the math. It's their private property, if you don't like what they want to do with their business, don't go in. This is just government intrusion, but it's ok because we like this huh?

This is why I loath politicians on both sides of the aisle. They spend their time on this sort of headline grabbing nonsense instead of fixing real issues.
It should be private property, but it hasn't been since 1964.
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You inarguably make excellent points above. But if you don't feel safe going into a business without your EDC, go to their competitor. I'm actually left leaning in my politics. But I have an economics degree. If a private business wants to discrimate let them. In 2016 I believe with all the vocal special interest groups - taking on the wrong groups would close your business through a boycott. Adam Smiths Invisible Hand should keep a smart business owner from committing financial suicide.
With the low level of carry, and the lack of loyalty by customers, a businessman will not miss a few who won't pass the sign, unless a letter is mailed to the owner. And even then, the financial hit is just not measurable. Unless your state law requires a stated reason for evicting someone, you can still be trespassed off permanently for any of a large number of other reasons. And I still won't let you on my property armed unless I know you.

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