Side thread from the "Carry when at home thread"

[soccerguy83]

I asked a question in that thread that the OP felt was off topic, so I'm creating a new thread.

First some ground rules guys! I know that this is a very hot button topic, we are all adults, let's keep this thread civil . I would like to see an open and honest forum for people to voice their ideas. I do not want to see someone getting on a high horse and imposing their opinions on others. I would like to discuss the merits, the concerns, and drawbacks of the topic in a manner in which is constructive for all that participate in this thread. If I feel that someone is taking this thread down a path that does not lead to constructive conversation for those involved, I personally will reach out to the Mod team to shut it down.

Now the topic:

This question only applies to carrying in your home or on your property as the same question off property has been beaten to death.

If you regularly carry in your home or on your property do you imbibe while doing so? I'm not talking getting rip roaring drunk here as I think we could all attest that is outside the box of norm. What I'm referring to is having a beer or two or a glass of wine or a cocktail over the course of an evening like many responsible adults do all across our great country. Or do you decided to lock up your carry weapon if you decided to reach for the beer fridge door?

How do you personally evaluate the risk vs safety equation that lead to your decision?


FINAL REMINDER, LET'S BE CIVIL!!

[29aholic]

I mostly carry at home when I am doing ranch type work and have been known to have a beer or so while doing so. Beyond that, I don't carry much at home as there is always a gun within pretty easy reach. Any "visitors" have to make it past a big Bull Mastiff and two Australian Shepherds.

[soccerguy83]

Great side question! Say you make the decision not to carry because you would like to have a beer, then there is a reason you need to use your firearm, do you utilize that tool?

[ChiefStealth]

I carry at home. I don't drink any alcohol... at all... you all.

[bigwheelzip]

Hubby and I absolutely won't touch a drop while carrying. If one of us feels like a glass of something, he/she disarms and the other abstains and continues carrying.

Liability under SC law kicks in at .05 BAC, so a glass of something is permissible, but why tempt fate?
For me, only carrying with 100% of my faculties outweighs having a drink. Of course if someone presents a threat to me at home, I'll defend myself, but I don't carry with a glass in my hand.

SECTION 23-31-420. Presumptions.

(A) Upon the trial of a civil or criminal action or proceeding arising out of acts alleged to have been committed by a person while using a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance, the results of any test administered pursuant to Section 23-31-410 or 23-31-415 and this section are admissible into evidence, and the amount of alcohol in the person's blood at the time alleged, as shown by chemical analysis of the person's blood or breath, creates the following presumptions:

(1) If there was at that time five one-hundredths of one percent or less by weight of alcohol in the person's blood, it must be presumed that the person was not under the influence of alcohol.

[federali]

We all know ourselves. I'm constantly amazed at the vast numbers of buzzed motorists who thought they could drive and hold their liquor, causing continual highway mayhem.

It would be no different for a gun carrier. A beer or two, or perhaps a glass of wine should not affect your ability to make correct judgment calls. Once again, know yourself. If you're the type who is ready to fight the world, you're a veteran of more bar room brawls than you can remember after imbibing, then you shouldn't carry, even in the house.

I'm astounded by newspaper accounts of family members taking guns to each other over whatever provocation. Overindulgence can only make things worse.

Yet another problem: a justifiable shooting can easily be turned into a questionable one if investigators detect alcohol on you. You're also more vulnerable to character impeachment in a subsequent civil trial.

[The Big D]

I am of the opinion if a person cannot safely and legally and responsibly indulge in a legal adult pleasure whilst legally carrying a gun that person SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A GUN.

And this applies wherever/whenever...in my opinion.

Be safe.

[Muss Muggins]

Revised Statutes of Missouri 575.030 Unlawful Use of a Weapon

571.030. 1. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by sections 571.101 to 571.121 (these are the CCW provisions), if he or she knowingly:

. . . (I took (1) thru (4) out) . . .

(5) Has a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense; or . . .

(took the rest of the subsections out, because they don't apply)

It is legal to be drunk and defend yourself in Missouri, whether in your own home or out in public. Any statute to the contrary means that a homeowner must abstain from the use of alcohol if he/she possesses firearms. The prior statute criminalized constructive possession of a firearm while intoxicated, such as drinking with a pistol on the table or rifle in the corner. I have no further comment on this . . .

[Arik]

Say you are not carrying. You have had a drink or two (not pass out drunk) and all of a sudden someone breaks in. Are you not allowed to defend yourself?

Of course you have to know your state laws first.

That aside. I can see the argument for it when out in public. But in my home there should be no one but me and my family (or if I invited someone). Otherwise they don't belong here. There is no misunderstanding, no such thing as a bar fight or looking at someone's lady or any other reason that may cause a gun to get pulled in public because of beer muscles/misunderstanding or miscommunication. You don't accidentally bump into someone and you don't accidentally confuse your house with mine.

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[BAM-BAM]

Originally Posted by Arik

Say you are not carrying. You have had a drink or two (not pass out drunk) and all of a sudden someone breaks in. Are you not allowed to defend yourself?

The OP has posted a "Catch 22" question.......

[SAFireman]

An older, wiser gentleman once told me: " .....if a man is an idiot when drinking, he is probably an idiot sober...." might apply here.

If I am at home, and have had a drink, and NEED to defend my home, property, or family, I will not be dissuaded from doing so because I have had an adult beverage.

[TinMon]

Background:
-I am what quite a few people might consider "older"
-I have been CC/OC for more than 25 years
-I am old enough to know my limits when it comes to drinking. How do I know? I have been "drunk" 3 times in my life. 2X in my late teens and 1X about 15 years ago. I no longer have an interest in getting drunk. It not only affects "my" judgement but also puts me to sleep.
-Up until recently I drove for a living and/or had jobs which could random drug/alcohol test. No sense in ruining my life for a quick buzz.
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Now to answer your question: I typically have ONE drink per night. Usually a glass of beer but sometimes a glass of wine. Why not 2? I do not like how it makes me feel - tired and lethargic.

I am also someone who carries 100% of the time (when legal) inside and outside the home. Hence, If I am at a point that I would be breaking the law, I would not carry. THIS would also apply to LEGAL drugs which might impair my decision making ability. (There have been times when I said to my wife she is the only one carrying because I was too ill or out of sorts.).
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I would NEVER do anything to jeopardize my ability to legally carry. We hear statistics that a higher % of CCW/LTCF holders are law abiding vs. non-carriers. I am one of those. I do not speed (nor anything else) which might bring me under the scrutiny of the police. Where expressly illegal to carry - I do not. Usually I try to refrain from going into those places. I will go out of my way to use a mail drop box NOT on post office property so I do not break the law....You get the idea.
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NOW - from a legal point of view, I can see how the prosecutors could attempt to use this 1 drink against me. I have made a conscious decision to accept that risk BECAUSE my decision making is not impaired by 1 drink (I have that 1 drink with a meal and my body weight is such that I am not legally impaired by having it).

YMMV. We are all different.

[686-380]

I quit drinking before my oldest was born. As far as the question, there are variables to consider.

Do you have children in the household? How likely is a SHTF scenario in your region? How likely are you to drink and drive? If you answered yes to the latter question I think you should probably refrain from carrying while drinking. The list goes on.

[soccerguy83]

Originally Posted by BAM-BAM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arik View Post
Say you are not carrying. You have had a drink or two (not pass out drunk) and all of a sudden someone breaks in. Are you not allowed to defend yourself?

The OP has posted a "Catch 22" question.......

Ah....here in-lies the crux of the question!

Originally Posted by Arik

Say you are not carrying. You have had a drink or two (not pass out drunk) and all of a sudden someone breaks in. Are you not allowed to defend yourself?

Of course you have to know your state laws first.

That aside. I can see the argument for it when out in public. But in my home there should be no one but me and my family (or if I invited someone). Otherwise they don't belong here. There is no misunderstanding, no such thing as a bar fight or looking at someone's lady or any other reason that may cause a gun to get pulled in public because of beer muscles/misunderstanding or miscommunication. You don't accidentally bump into someone and you don't accidentally confuse your house with mine.

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I tend to agree with Arik here, we aren't talking about outside of the home where there is a much broader determination of who or what started something. We are talking about in your home (granted there is still some ambiguity ie, just you and your wife when someone breaks in vs hosting a group of guys watching football and things turn for the worse), where typically there is much more of a case of self-defense when someone not living in that home is involved (this thread is not intended to get into domestic issues as that is a topic in of itself!).

I greatly appreciate all responses so far and that everyone is playing by the rules of the OP! I think this is a great topic for people to think about and hearing other peoples prospective gives someone much more to mentally chew on. Thanks to all for contributing so far!

[JK-linux]

I don't drink at all, so no, I don't drink when armed. That said, I don't see how operating a gun with a BAC of 0.08 is any more inherently dangerous for most folks than operating a car at that level. Though I wouldn't fault someone for having a few beers over a few hours while armed, I also know that many potential jurors, judges, DA's and others would be happy to hang you for it if given the opportunity.

[Rpg]

We have a hard and fast rule when hunting: if you have a beer or glass of wine with lunch, you're done hunting for the day.

There have been times when a member of the hunting party sits out the rest of the day for a beer.

Most folks postpone the beer til the guns are cased.

I follow the same rule with defensive firearms.

[Smoke]

I quit drinking in 1982. I wasn't even old enough to buy a gun.

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Originally Posted by ChiefStealth

I carry at home. I don't drink any alcohol... at all... you all.

Same here..........

[Protected One]

Originally Posted by Arik

Say you are not carrying. You have had a drink or two (not pass out drunk) and all of a sudden someone breaks in. Are you not allowed to defend yourself?

Of course you have to know your state laws first.

That aside. I can see the argument for it when out in public. But in my home there should be no one but me and my family (or if I invited someone). Otherwise they don't belong here. There is no misunderstanding, no such thing as a bar fight or looking at someone's lady or any other reason that may cause a gun to get pulled in public because of beer muscles/misunderstanding or miscommunication. You don't accidentally bump into someone and you don't accidentally confuse your house with mine.

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You beat me to the punch! The statutes quoted are applicable to drinking while carrying AWAY from home. Otherwise the state would in essence be saying you can't drink in your own home if a firearm is present.

I will from time to time have a beer or glass of wine while carrying at home, but if something were to happen, my holster would "probably" be off me when the police arrived.

[crazyphil]

I am a firm believer that guns and alcohol (or drugs) do not go together.
Guns have been a big part of my life now for many years, so I gave up
the alcohol. (Never was in to drugs). Haven't missed the drinking.
Found natural "highs".
Went to give a class to a group of about 20 in the home. Guns were to
be handled and discussed. At the beginning the host asked who would
like a cocktail. I interupted and said they could have cocktails after I
leave, and I can leave after the class or now. They chose to wait until
after the class. Yes, I know. I'm a party pooper.

[bigwheelzip]

Originally Posted by Protected One

The statutes quoted are applicable to drinking while carrying AWAY from home. Otherwise the state would in essence be saying you can't drink in your own home if a firearm is present.

The SC statute is statewide, including your home.
The SC statutes don't preclude or criminalize you for legitimate self-defense in the home while under the influence. They add to the criminality if your not justified.

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Different people react differently to alcohol. Most people who are sane enough to carry a gun all the time are sane enough to figure out how much they can drink while carrying, if at all. Probably most juries are sane enough to figure out whether booze had any bearing on the case before them.

One size does not fit all.

[haywood]

When I got my Permit to carry in 2004 One of the rules was no alcohol while carrying. I didn't care about drinking at that point (been there done that) but, I did start carrying 24/7. It was a easy decision. I like guns. I want to always carry. I don't care about drinking alcohol.

[Whitwabit]

Originally Posted by The Big D

I am of the opinion if a person cannot safely and legally and responsibly indulge in a legal adult pleasure whilst legally carrying a gun that person SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A GUN.

And this applies wherever/whenever...in my opinion.

Be safe.

The problem many times is when the one drink turns into 3-4 or more and the carrier still feels he is safe !!

If you have your weapon on you .. refrain from drinking .. if you can't refrain from drinking maybe you shouldn't have a conceal carry license !!

[The Big D]

...'legally,' and 'responsibly?'

Apparently you do not.

As a point of reference, the enlightened states in which I have lived do not prohibit LEGAL enjoyment of a LEGAL adult beverage whilst CCW.

Be safe.

Originally Posted by Whitwabit

The problem many times is when the one drink turns into 3-4 or more and the carrier still feels he is safe !!

If you have your weapon on you .. refrain from drinking .. if you can't refrain from drinking maybe you shouldn't have a conceal carry license !!

[fdw]

I don't have any problem at all drinking and carrying on my property.

If I'm tipsy and someone breaks in my home? Again, I don't see a problem.

Now out and about, I will not drink while carrying, it's against the law.

edit:

If someone breaks in my home, I bet I just may sober up real quick.

[Rustyt1953]

Many's the time, of an evening, that I have pulled myself up to the tv with two or three beers to watch a Sewing Channel marathon.

My LCP is in my pocket. If someone breaks in I will defend myself.

I don't think the OP is talking about drinking and carrying in public. I have not nor will I ever do that and I don't think any member here would either.

[The Big D]

But if personally or legally you should not/must not CCW, by all means, DO NOT.

Be safe.

Originally Posted by Rustyt1953

...

I don't think the OP is talking about drinking and carrying in public. I have not nor will I ever do that and I don't think any member here would either.

[les.b]

I'm going to quote Dirty Harry, slightly out of context: "A man's got to know his limitations!".

That said, if you had had a couple of drinks, and someone was seriously injured in your home, would you not administer first aid until the medics could get there because you might not be 100% sober? I am a very low volume drinker, and usually have a drink (a beer, a glass of wine, and a mixed drink are all pretty much the same as far as alcohol content goes) ...I usually never have a drink more than once or twice a month, sometimes not even that. So I don't really have to worry about being impaired.

Best Regards, Les

[ISCS Yoda]

I have no qualms about drinking a glass or two of wine, or even a stronger adult beverage, whilst watching TV or working on the computer or just puttering around the house. I am always armed, especially if you consider that even if I don't have a gun on my person (a rarity) I have them nearby. Living alone gives me a certain latitude with respect to loaded guns in the house that some folks don't have. I do not see a safety issue when it comes to me and my ability to behave in my own home while enjoying an adult beverage or two and remaining armed.

[PuertoRican]

Inside the house there is a gun within reach in every room. I drink alcohol without being concerned with their proximity.
When I'm in the yard or carport, cutting grass, working on truck or boat, whatever - I'm packing. I'm also probably drinking a beer or two.
I've been doing this for around 45-50 years. I ain't gonna change now.

[soccerguy83]

All once again, thank you for the civility that you have expressed in this thread on this topic, I truly appreciate it!

There have been some fantastic points made and some great back and forth to further understand one another and that is exactly what this thread was intended to do, make everyone think for just a bit.

[Bastogne71]

I don't drink at all so it's a moot question for me. But if I did, the answer would be no guns until stone cold sober. Or driving, operating machinery, power tools, or reloading either.

[gman51]

I am not going to be around anyone that I know drinks to excess and is carrying a gun. Talk about a bad situation might escalate that is the perfect scenario.
I have guns within reach of myself all the time but I also don't ever drink any booze.
I found out a long time ago you can't tell a drunk nothing because they know it all. A drunk with a gun is to scary for me to even think about let alone be around.
A bullet will not go back into the gun when a drunk sobers up.

[soccerguy83]

Originally Posted by gman51

I am not going to be around anyone that I know drinks to excess and is carrying a gun. Talk about a bad situation might escalate that is the perfect scenario.
I have guns within reach of myself all the time but I also don't ever drink any booze.
I found out a long time ago you can't tell a drunk nothing because they know it all. A drunk with a gun is to scary for me to even think about let alone be around.
A bullet will not go back into the gun when a drunk sobers up.

Just to make sure we are all on the same page, I specifically excluded drinking to excess in my OP. This isn't a post talking about being drunk while carrying, I think everyone on this thread can agree that's a no win situation!

[gman51]

Quite often one drink leads to another and another so that is why I posted what I did. How many people stop at one drink when they know they will be driving? How many people will not stop at one drink knowing they have a gun on them or close by?
Guns and alcohol just don't mix. That was my point.

[TinMon]

Originally Posted by gman51

Quite often one drink leads to another and another so that is why I posted what I did. How many people stop at one drink when they know they will be driving? How many people will not stop at one drink knowing they have a gun on them or close by?
Guns and alcohol just don't mix. That was my point.

I DO!
It is called maturity and being responsible for ones actions. It is called impulse control!

[ISCS Yoda]

If you're out and about and drinking and then driving you've already crossed the line of good behavior so adding a gun to it just exacerbates the situation. But since we are discussing drinking in your home, I actually don't care if someone gets blind drunk in his house, and is carrying a pistol, as long as he's rational enough to know to (1) stay in his house and (2) not touch his pistol for any reason except and unless his home is broken into. If he cannot do both of those things at home then I'd say don't get drunk or put the gun in a safe place first.

[delta-419]

There are four of us in the house, my wife, myself, and the two German Shepherds. My consumption is limited to two drinks a month, if that! We live in the woods down a single lane road about 1/2 mile off the paved road. You would be surprised at how many people have made the trip down that lane just to see what's there. From the Harley riders to the off roaders they come to visit. We have a large house with at least one loaded "go to gun" in each room. The dogs have full access to each room 24-7. The property is fenced at the end of the lane. Both of us have been trained in the combat use of firearms. I do not carry very much in the house, but often do so while walking the property simply because we live in an area known as "rattlesnake ridge" and my dogs follow me wherever I roam. I fear for their safety. I don't drink and carry, however at home, if a threat presents itself I will respond with the appropriate firearm or level of force, even if I have had my one drink.

[kthom]

My take on this question is this: It's not about whether one is "legally" drunk or not. It's about whether one is impaired to any degree or not! Drinking is like pregnant. It's a matter of degree, but you either are or you are not. From the very first sip, alcohol has its affect on the person taking it. That may not be noticeable to the person drinking or to anyone observing. Alcohol immediately begins to relax the part of one's brain that handles judgement and natural caution. It also affects (minimally at first) a person's vision, dexterity, and ability to function at their very best. This is not a matter of opinion. If you drink it, these abilities are affected negatively to some degree. A (single) drink causes one to relax a bit, be less aware, etc. How much is too much? We are not always in the same frame of mind. Events and circumstances affect how we act and react even when we have had nothing to drink. Alcohol presence causes this situation to change to a greater extent.

I have observed several tests where folks reaction time is carefully measured (which includes both seeing and recognizing a circumstance where there is potential danger as well as physically reacting to that circumstance to take action) . Sober, after one drink, after two drinks and so on. This reaction time deteriorates or becomes longer as the number of drinks increases over time. Alcohol is removed from the body at a set and known rate of time. You can't speed up this time. Nothing can make you sober up other than time. You may very well feel as if you are more alert and aware and able to act, but the limiting factor is the amount of alcohol that has been absorbed into your body and system. How quickly alcohol is absorbed depends on how much and what kind of food you have in your stomach, but sooner or later, all of it will be absorbed.

Personally, I'd much rather know that I'm not under the influence of alcohol (or drugs, including both prescription and over the counter drugs) when I'm carrying or in possession of my gun, driving my car, using my table saw, or any other tool or implement or doing anything that requires my full and entire attention and my very best physical performance. So I am going to err on the side of caution and be cold stone sober when I am or may be faced with the real need to be at my best and be able to do my best. I have enough trouble when I'm at my best!!!

Choices have consequences, and those consequences cannot be avoided. That's a fact. And I submit that, for me, I'm going to choose not to be under the influence, any influence, of alcohol when making these choices. You'll have to figure out honestly for your own self what choices you make for yourself. I'm just telling you my own answer to the question posed. But we owe it to ourselves and our loved ones to be really honest as we consider all that is involved when we consider this question. Have I always made the choices that I have stated above? Nope, and I can tell you that I have been very fortunate to have escaped as lightly as I have. These days, I don't intend to push my luck any further than I already have! Thanks for letting me put in my two cents.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by ChiefStealth

I carry at home. I don't drink any alcohol... at all... you all.

Same here....

[soccerguy83]

Originally Posted by kthom

My take on this question is this: It's not about whether one is "legally" drunk or not. It's about whether one is impaired to any degree or not! Drinking is like pregnant. It's a matter of degree, but you either are or you are not. From the very first sip, alcohol has its affect on the person taking it. That may not be noticeable to the person drinking or to anyone observing. Alcohol immediately begins to relax the part of one's brain that handles judgement and natural caution. It also affects (minimally at first) a person's vision, dexterity, and ability to function at their very best. This is not a matter of opinion. If you drink it, these abilities are affected negatively to some degree. A (single) drink causes one to relax a bit, be less aware, etc. How much is too much? We are not always in the same frame of mind. Events and circumstances affect how we act and react even when we have had nothing to drink. Alcohol presence causes this situation to change to a greater extent.

I have observed several tests where folks reaction time is carefully measured (which includes both seeing and recognizing a circumstance where there is potential danger as well as physically reacting to that circumstance to take action) . Sober, after one drink, after two drinks and so on. This reaction time deteriorates or becomes longer as the number of drinks increases over time. Alcohol is removed from the body at a set and known rate of time. You can't speed up this time. Nothing can make you sober up other than time. You may very well feel as if you are more alert and aware and able to act, but the limiting factor is the amount of alcohol that has been absorbed into your body and system. How quickly alcohol is absorbed depends on how much and what kind of food you have in your stomach, but sooner or later, all of it will be absorbed.

Personally, I'd much rather know that I'm not under the influence of alcohol (or drugs, including both prescription and over the counter drugs) when I'm carrying or in possession of my gun, driving my car, using my table saw, or any other tool or implement or doing anything that requires my full and entire attention and my very best physical performance. So I am going to err on the side of caution and be cold stone sober when I am or may be faced with the real need to be at my best and be able to do my best. I have enough trouble when I'm at my best!!!

Choices have consequences, and those consequences cannot be avoided. That's a fact. And I submit that, for me, I'm going to choose not to be under the influence, any influence, of alcohol when making these choices. You'll have to figure out honestly for your own self what choices you make for yourself. I'm just telling you my own answer to the question posed. But we owe it to ourselves and our loved ones to be really honest as we consider all that is involved when we consider this question. Have I always made the choices that I have stated above? Nope, and I can tell you that I have been very fortunate to have escaped as lightly as I have. These days, I don't intend to push my luck any further than I already have! Thanks for letting me put in my two cents.

This is exactly the thought provoking type of response that this thread was intended to illicit. Thank you for your contribution!


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[Old TexMex]

The only mood altering substance I use is Cialis, so I have no frame of reference.

[Xfuzz]

Comin up on Saturday of the evenin..
Steak, baked tater, mushrooms with all the fixins.
I will have a couple beers.....AND
if anyone thinks I am gonna lock up all my defense guns
your nutz.

To use a phrase from Lonesome Dove...
"you boys are gonna get the drizzel's if ya don't calm down".

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'm unaware of any Tennessee law that criminalizes otherwise justified use of lethal force at home on the basis of alcohol consumption.

I'm not sure what the underlying rationale is for the question in context of "carrying" at home? At home... a gun owner is a gun owner and has access to guns... LCP in a pocket or a Model 65 on the office desktop... what is the difference? Most gun owners can remember the combination to their safe too... sober or otherwise.

My advice is to keep your hands off guns while drinking, period... one beer two beer no matter... leave em be. Same for the gun you're carrying, leave it holstered. If use of lethal force is necessary then that's another matter.

[Old TexMex]

I never drank with armed law enforcement officers in their homes....never, ever...honest.

[Iggy]

Back when I ran the WHP recruit training academy, during DUWI detection and enforcement procedures, we got a volunteer drunk and measured his progress and reaction ability.

The changes were stark and educational.

It made a lasting impression on the new recruits, except one. He observed if he gained another 10 pounds he might be able to to drink more.

Turned out to be a good troop though.

[HorizontalMike]

I do what the law allows me to do in Texas... Nothing more, nothing less...

Is this a problem?

[CustomChevyGuy]

anyone that knows me, knows I don't have many rules around my house..

1- don't cause drama, don't bring drama. This includes No Drinking & Driving!
You will be asked to leave only once.
You will be forced to leave, until you learn better, or apologize to those offended, and correct your actions / behavior.
2- no judging
3- you can sit anywhere you want, but If I want to sit in my chair, you'll have to sit somewhere else, or on my lap (if the circumstances are right, i.e. she's cute and single)

The only rule that over shadows these 3 is
The Safety rule:
Either Guns or Drinks; Never Both! and Never NEVER Guns after Drinks!

[Old TexMex]

If you can't behave when you drink, stop drinking. If you can't stop drinking, theres a program designed to relieve you of that problem. Ask around, you're sure to get pointed in the right direction.