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Old 12-13-2016, 12:35 PM
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I reside in Tennessee and hold a valid Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit. My wife and I will be traveling to New York State to visit family and be staying there for a couple of weeks.
In the past I've carried my pistol on these trips and left it with a friend of my brother, who lives in Pa. where my permit is honored, and retrieve it up upon leaving to return home.
Due to health reasons, his friend won't be able to accommodate me this time and I'm looking for any suggestions that I may not be considering. As a side note the only other "unfriendly" state I cross on this trip is Maryland. There is a rest stop just before the Maryland border where I unload and place my handgun in a locked case and lock it in the trunk. I then place the empty magazines and ammo in separate locked case in the trunk relying on the Federal Safe Passage law while traversing Maryland with no stops. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 12-13-2016, 12:44 PM
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Not sure why I addressed this to NYS LEO's? I reckon any of you may have an idea around my dilemma.
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Old 12-13-2016, 01:20 PM
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Technically you're not allowed to leave it in Pa either. Your license is fine but you're giving ownership to your friend and you can't do ftf of handguns in Pa.

I avoid NYS with firearms, plain and simple. Plenty of examples where the law says one thing but the police do another thing

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Old 12-13-2016, 01:22 PM
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Check with the NRA's web site, or call them & ask where to look on their sites... I believe I've seen this advice successfully used before here on this topic. Hope this helps. Look on the back of your membership for the Phone #.
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Very simple, you come into NY with a handgun, doesn't matter what your state allows, and you get caught with it, you'll be arrested and you'll lose it. NY honors no other states when it comes to their permits.
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Very simple, you come into NY with a handgun, doesn't matter what your state allows, and you get caught with it, you'll be arrested and you'll lose it. NY honors no other states when it comes to their permits.
Heck NY City does not allow permits from the rest of the state.

The Federal law allows safe passage through a state with a well secured unloaded gun on a non stop drive through the state but, but be advised arguing that with a NY LEO on the side of the road you will loose . That just driving through, staying in the state with a handgun DO NOT DO IT!.
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I never have nor do I intend to bring my pistol into NYS. My brother's friend is a gunsmith so no issue there that I foresee. As to the comment on why I wish to have it with me I will only say that I feel that it is my right when within the law. I am not paranoid or in constant fear for my well being. That said, why do any of us who choose to carry? I consider it part of being prepared in an ever declining society. If I knew when trouble was going to arise, I'd only carry at that time. I'm not privy to that knowledge so I carry whenever it's legal. Some may recall Kileen, Tx among others.
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:24 PM
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I have a good friend that's been a LEO for over 33 yrs , gets sent back east on assignment from time to time . Even for him it's very risky business even with his LEO carry license so He does not take a side arm with him when going to NYC , Chicago , Boston etc.
The cities have their own laws over and above the state laws . On that list of " very unfriendly " states don't forget to list New Jersey .

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Old 12-13-2016, 04:15 PM
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Living next door to Maryland - I would never take a handgun - secured or not - into that state. There are several horror stories about them receiving CHL data from other states - and scanning for license plates, using that data, within-state to try to catch people carrying. Even if the plate-scan scam doesn't catch you - it's just too dangerous IMO.

You didn't seek this opinion - but I'm a geezer and done a lot of driving cross-country in the US - with never, so far, a problem. I would drive during daylight only and never stop at rest stops - you'll be in like Flynn with zero legal problems...

Edited to add: the rest stops I am referring to are the unmanned stops further west. We have stopped at the big/nice stops - with restaurants/etc - in PA, Ohio and others with zero problems. That said, I'm always running my thug-dar and wouldn't even stop or exit the car if things don't look right.

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Old 12-13-2016, 04:33 PM
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I never have nor do I intend to bring my pistol into NYS. My brother's friend is a gunsmith so no issue there that I foresee. As to the comment on why I wish to have it with me I will only say that I feel that it is my right when within the law. I am not paranoid or in constant fear for my well being. That said, why do any of us who choose to carry? I consider it part of being prepared in an ever declining society. If I knew when trouble was going to arise, I'd only carry at that time. I'm not privy to that knowledge so I carry whenever it's legal. Some may recall Kileen, Tx among others.
There are plenty of horror stories and unfortunately, plenty of them about people who drove with guns into states that don't allow it. Since you can't take it to NY state and you can't leave it in Pa the only other option is to leave it at home. I know it's not what you're looking for but there's nothing else

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Old 12-13-2016, 04:38 PM
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I suggest your LEO friend familiarize himself/herself with LEOSA.

It is FEDERAL law and absolutely trumps state/local laws. PERIOD.

BTW, I have lived and worked in both Boston and NYC. A bonafide LEO will have no issues whilst CCW in those areas...on duty or off duty.

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I have a good friend that's been a LEO for over 33 yrs , gets sent back east on assignment from time to time . Even for him it's very risky business even with his LEO carry license so He does not take a side arm with him when going to NYC , Chicago , Boston etc.
The cities have their own laws over and above the state laws . On that list of " very unfriendly " states don't forget to list New Jersey .
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Old 12-13-2016, 05:00 PM
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I suggest your LEO friend familiarize himself/herself with LEOSA.
It is FEDERAL law and absolutely trumps state/local laws. PERIOD.
BTW, I have lived and worked in both Boston and NYC. A bonafide LEO will have no issues whilst CCW in those areas...on duty or off duty.
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Yup. But it always makes a good story when it starts out with "I have a friend who is a cop....." As if that's suppose to make the story more believable. They don't know but they expect others to believe it so it has to have a prelude.
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Old 12-13-2016, 07:14 PM
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It is FEDERAL law and absolutely trumps state/local laws. PERIOD.
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The 'federal' speed limit is what, 65 MPH?

So the small burg with posted limit of 25 MPH is all wet?

Ever heard of a 'dry' county?

In terms of "greater restriction", federal trumps local, e.g. Colorado legalizes reefer, federal does not--federal can arrest, prosecute & convict.

However...where a 'lower' legal authority--state, county, municipal-- prescribes a greater restriction than provided in federal code, I believe you will find you can well be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted, under the local authority's law.
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Thanks for the responses I'm going to check the NRA website but likely will be making the trip sans CCW.
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Flying is a great alternative if you do not need to stop in any other states but New York. With respect to taking a handgun to New York - don't. It's really that simple. Every building of any substance you enter, at least in New York City, has metal detectors. If you are not going to be in NYC but only upstate NY then the rules are somewhat less restrictive but they take a seriously dim view of non-licensees possessing handguns. It's NY licensees only!

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You are only partially correct. Since Justice Scalia permitted reasonable restrictions on ownership/possession of handguns/firearms, and since we do NOT yet know how far the definition of reasonable goes, it is NOT your right within the law until we get a better clarification from the Supreme Court. Waving the Second Amendment around only goes so far.....
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There are a couple of legal ways to store you pistol in PA, but they require some prior planning and expense.
1. Leave your gun at a gunsmith in PA for cleaning or whatever, and pick it up on the way back.
2. Rent a safety deposit box in PA, etc.
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Check what the NRA says, and then don't dodge the law. That's where the "responsible" in "responsible gun owner" comes in. I know it's not a particularly popular opinion, but we don't get to ignore the laws we disagree with.

Besides, it's not worth getting jammed-up over.
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Can't do it, don't do it. They lock up NFL players for similar things in NY. They will permit you to drive straight through or go to an NRA sanctioned shooting event for the event only and that is all. I live in NJ and my son lives in NY and I dare not even think about taking a handgun up to his acreage in the middle of nowhere (perfect place to shoot) because I know I will go directly to jail if caught.
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First, there is NO Federal speed limit. No idea why you think there is.

'Dry county?' Like Cherokee, NC? Have spent a bit of time there.
Cannot buy alcohol but certainly can consume it...legally. Same as city of Ocean City, NJ.

Again, LEOSA trumps ALL state and local gun laws re: qualified LEO''s...active and retired/separated.

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The 'federal' speed limit is what, 65 MPH?

So the small burg with posted limit of 25 MPH is all wet?

Ever heard of a 'dry' county?

In terms of "greater restriction", federal trumps local, e.g. Colorado legalizes reefer, federal does not--federal can arrest, prosecute & convict.

However...where a 'lower' legal authority--state, county, municipal-- prescribes a greater restriction than provided in federal code, I believe you will find you can well be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted, under the local authority's law.
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First, there is NO Federal speed limit. No idea why you think there is.

'Dry county?' Like Cherokee, NC? Have spent a bit of time there.
Cannot buy alcohol but certainly can consume it...legally. Same as city of Ocean City, NJ.

Again, LEOSA trumps ALL state and local gun laws re: qualified LEO''s...active and retired/separated.

Be safe.
Whoops...looks like I bolo'd, 0 for 2!

The National Maximum Speed Law was repealed in 1995...how'd I miss that?!

And looks like LEOSA does cover you for the firearm--though it doesn't cover you for NY State's prohibition of magazines that hold more than seven rounds.
That, discussed by NAPO, here:

National Association of Police Organizations :: New York State Gun Law and LEOSA

But...even for a NY resident, retired from NY law enforcement, LEOSA didn't prevent an arrest and lengthy trial for possession
of a few unregistered hand guns (given to him by his father, before he died):

New York Gun Laws vs. the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act — New York Criminal Attorney Blog — March 4, 2016
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First, there is NO Federal speed limit. No idea why you think there is.

'Dry county?' Like Cherokee, NC? Have spent a bit of time there.
Cannot buy alcohol but certainly can consume it...legally. Same as city of Ocean City, NJ.

Again, LEOSA trumps ALL state and local gun laws re: qualified LEO''s...active and retired/separated.

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Well , this post is for the 2 gentlemen that " questioned ' my post . Discussion is fine , disagreeing is fine too . It is a fact that " I do have a friend " believe it or not . So I suggest that you sir " tone " it down .
My friend , a former Marine , a Desert Storm Vet , a Lieutenant in his police Dept. , former swat team . Tactical Instructor , Travels on assignments that he can't even talk about . If he feels it's best to leave his side arm behind,when traveling to some eastern cities , that's his decision , for whatever his reason . So " Yup " I take his word over yours " as just good advice ! My facts speak for themselves.

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Well , this post is for the 2 gentlemen that " questioned ' my post . Discussion is fine , disagreeing is fine too . It is a fact that " I do have a friend " believe it or not . So I suggest that you " tone " it down .
My friend , a former Marine , a Desert Storm Vet , a Lieutenant in his police Dept. , former swat team . Tactical Instructor , Travels on assignments that he can't even talk about . If he feels it's best to leave his side arm behind,when traveling to some eastern cities , that's his decision . So " Yup " I take his word over yours " as just good advice ! My facts speak for themselves.
If your "friend" is all that then tell him he needs to take a law update refresher. LEOSA has only be law since 2004. It covers all LEOs and retired LEOs in all states, US territories, and US possessions.
LEOs and retired LEOs from all over the US have been carrying legally in NY and every other state since 2004.
You can take who ever's word you like. It's just from what you've relayed is totally incorrect concerning out of state LEOs carrying in NY and other states. So if you contend that your 'friend' truly knows what he's talking about (being a former Marine and DS vet has absolutely no bearing, and the rest, including the top secret missions, mean nothing either) then that means you clearly misunderstood him and don't.
Just another story of "I have a friend who's a cop and...."
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This has been discussed enough , these forums aren't meant to be personal . It's time to move on .
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I have a good friend that's been a LEO for over 33 yrs , gets sent back east on assignment from time to time . Even for him it's very risky business even with his LEO carry license so He does not take a side arm with him when going to NYC , Chicago , Boston etc.
The cities have their own laws over and above the state laws . On that list of " very unfriendly " states don't forget to list New Jersey .
Really?,. How so? Under LEOSA he can travel to any of those places but must abide by any local restrictions.
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If nobody can have a gun in NY then I don't see any reason to be worried. That means that you won't get shot at because that would be illegal. Does anybody ever get shot there? Surely not. Man, that's just crazy to me
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Those were for unregistered handguns. Registration has nothing to do with LEOSA.
Same with mag size limits. LEOSA doesn't exempt from mag size either.
LEOSA does exempt from state/local laws concerning concealed carry by LEOs and retired LEOs. It also exempts from HP ammo restrictions.
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Those were for unregistered handguns. Registration has nothing to do with LEOSA.
Same with mag size limits. LEOSA doesn't exempt from mag size either.
LEOSA does exempt from state/local laws concerning concealed carry by LEOs and retired LEOs. It also exempts from HP ammo restrictions.
Ok...so if a non-resident individual comes into NY State, his handguns are obviously unregistered...are you saying the LEOSA-covered individual in NYS would be 'covered' for carrying concealed, but not covered for possession of an unregistered handgun?

Sounds like we've come full circle...
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Ok...so if a non-resident individual comes into NY State, his handguns are obviously unregistered...are you saying the LEOSA-covered individual in NYS would be 'covered' for carrying concealed, but not covered for possession of an unregistered handgun?
Sounds like we've come full circle...
It's not that difficult really to understand.
In the links those were NY state residents. Apparently in NY residents have to register their firearms. Therefore as state residents they are required to obey NY state laws in that regard. You aren't a resident, you aren't covered by registration.
Registration has nothing at all to do with LEOSA. LEOSA concerns with carrying a concealed firearm by LEOs and retired LEOs.
Another example. As a resident of IL I have to have an FOID card to possess firearms. As a LEO I am not exempt from getting an FOID card. LEOSA does not exempt me as a resident from getting an FOID card. However, LEOSA does exempt from state and local laws concerning the carrying of a concealed firearm.
2 separate issues. It's really not confusing unless a person doesn't have an understanding of the laws. Then they try to mix 2 unrelated issues as if they were the same.
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I'm a retired NYPD officer, I qualify each year for HR-218. I carry my pistol every where I go, California,NY, NJ. no issues no problems. I don't know about other states but in NYS don't get caught being an unlicensed person from another state carrying a gun there. Their law enforcement officials have no sense of humor about it.

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For those of us who do not live in North Korea, New York, or New Jersey, here is an example of how ridiculous it is. My uncle crossed into New Jersey, got stopped for speeding, and not only got a speeding ticket but also got a ticket for bringing in a non-Federally inspected ham. The ham was confiscated.
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I find it difficult to believe that a Cop who has an "assignment" outside his jurdistiction does not carry his weapon. If he on "assignment " then he's working and should have his dept issued weapon. If not I would think he'd be in violation of the jobs policy (I know I would be)
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apollo99, Understand what you mean and you are absolutely right, but you might consider editing your post to '...civilian (non-LEO)...' Someone will likely soon post that LEO's are civilians. (They are correct.) Not trying to tell you what to do...but trying to clarify.

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I'm a retired NYPD officer, I qualify each year for HR-218. I carry my pistol every where I go, California,NY, NJ. no issues no problems. I don't know about other states but in NYS don't get caught being an unlicensed civilian from another state carrying a gun there. Their law enforcement officials have no sense of humor about it.
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I noted that issue, too. If I had showed up for work without my 'tools' I would have been in big time trouble. Hard to imagine one of those 'can't tell you what I do' assignments for a LEO would not involve carriage of his 'tools.'

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In the links those were NY state residents. Apparently in NY residents have to register their firearms. Therefore as state residents they are required to obey NY state laws in that regard. You aren't a resident, you aren't covered by registration.
If the NYS registration requirement is, in fact, expressly applicable only to NYS residents, that would be a good thang.

Maybe we can get a NYS LEO to confirm that?
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I will hazard a guess there are 50K + LEO's who DO NOT live in New York who are on duty/passing through NY on any given day.

No, they do not have to register their firearms. Yes, I did work in New York City.

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Maybe we can get a NYS LEO to confirm that?
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I suggest your LEO friend familiarize himself/herself with LEOSA.

It is FEDERAL law and absolutely trumps state/local laws. PERIOD.

BTW, I have lived and worked in both Boston and NYC. A bonafide LEO will have no issues whilst CCW in those areas...on duty or off duty.
I have two comments to that.

First, there are no absolutes in the law, especially when it comes to firearms. So there are two exceptions to the LEOSA:

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2. Prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any state or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.
Never presume that your badge, active or retired, is a guarantee of entry with a firearms to every place you desire to enter.

Second, when it comes to NYC, NEVER NEVER DO NOT EVER underestimate a NYPD officer's interest in making a firearms arrest. Maybe you get to walk away and the officer has egg on his face. Still, they can be pretty persnickety about guns in NYC. Behave yourself there.

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That's probably an outrageous exaggeration. I'll hazard a guess that since NYPD has around 35,000 officers itself that there are not 50,000 non-NYPD officers even living around NYC, never mind passing through it on any given day.

Where would they be going?
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That would be 1000 per state on any given day. Are you counting retired LEO? Even then I think your number is high. If it is active LEO I definitely know you are way too high.


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Never presume that your badge, active or retired, is a guarantee of entry with a firearms to every place you desire to enter.
What you quoted is absolutely correct. No one said otherwise. However, that wasn't the question being asked by the OP.
And yes I am very familiar with LEOSA. I was on the statewide committee to implement LEOSA when it was first passed. We dug deep into it including the 12 years of congressional debates that preceded passage and talked to the sponsors of the bill.

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Second, when it comes to NYC, NEVER NEVER DO NOT EVER underestimate a NYPD officer's interest in making a firearms arrest. Maybe you get to walk away and the officer has egg on his face. Still, they can be pretty persnickety about guns in NYC. Behave yourself there.
Thanks for the advice mom before I take my guns to town. You know, it's good fore everyone to behave themselves wherever you go.
But LEOs and retired LEOs, who are obeying the law, including LEOSA, aren't in the danger you're forecasting in NYC. As Big D stated there are a bunch of out of state cops/retirees everyday passing thru NY state and NYC legally carrying firearms per LEOSA. Don't know if it's 50K but you can be sure it's a whole lot more than just a few. Doesn't even include the numbers who live in the city and work elsewhere.
What you also don't understand is dealing with NYPD how well they treat out of state LEOs. I've been there a couple of times on business and several times for fun. Just introduce yourself to any of them and you're sure you've found a new friend for life. I never met a NYPD LEO who didn't treat me like I was his long lost brother who he'd been searching for his entire life. NYC is their city. They like to show off their hospitality to traveling LEOs/retirees.
All the internet horror stories are usually told by non-LEOs who don't have a clue about dealing with NYPD. Most have never heard of LEOSA and of those who have they don't have a clue what it is about as evidenced by some of those responding to this thread.
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OP asks about legal options for bringing a handgun into NYS for an extended visit.

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Very simple, you come into NY with a handgun, doesn't matter what your state allows, and you get caught with it, you'll be arrested and you'll lose it. NY honors no other states when it comes to their permits.
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To answer a question about Registration of hand guns in NYS, There is only one way to legally carry a concealed weapon in NYS and NYC. That is to have a NYC/NYS carry permit. You can get one if you are a resident of NYS or NYC, You can get one if you are a non resident, but you need to have a very, very good reason such as a business where you carry a lot of money , Professional body guard etc. Also NYS. permits are not good in NYC.. NYC permits are good throughout NYS.. NYS and NYC honor no other states permit. They are very hard ***** in NYS. and NYC. Most of these rules do not apply to LEO or retired LEO with LEOSA. They can carry any pistol or revolver if active with hi-cap mags, if retired, I think it's 10 rounds or something foolish like that.

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I just read Big D post about 50K law enforcement traveling through NYC, That number may be a little high, but when you consider all the law enforcement agencies Federal, State , and Local, Marshals, Sheriffs, air marshals, fire marshals, corrections officers from state, federal and city, he may be pretty close. Come to think of it he may be a little low on that number. There is PAPD, Con-ral, Metro-north, The list goes on and on.
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I just read Big D post about 50K law enforcement traveling through NYC, That number may be a little high, but when you consider all the law enforcement agencies Federal, State , and Local, Marshals, Sheriffs, air marshals, fire marshals, corrections officers from state, federal and city, he may be pretty close. Come to think of it he may be a little low on that number. There is PAPD, Con-ral, Metro-north, The list goes on and on.
I took the statement literally. He said "
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NYPD officers can be very nice. I know, speaking from experience, that they can and will give professional courtesy to other LEOs in re their firearms.

I also know that despite what anyone says that NYPD police can be complete jerkwads if they are so inclined. I grew up there; I know what I am speaking about.

However, these things are all thread hijacks so I shall cease and desist from further remarks here.
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...if you are quoting me. I wrote 'on duty/passing through.'

Please see my post #39.

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QUOTE=ISCS Yoda;139372604]I took the statement literally. He said "". I did not interpret that to mean actually working in NYC. That's a horse of a different color. The police do not arrest each other whilst on duty, guns or no guns. No argument there.

NYPD officers can be very nice. I know, speaking from experience, that they can and will give professional courtesy to other LEOs in re their firearms.

I also know that despite what anyone says that NYPD police can be complete jerkwads if they are so inclined. I grew up there; I know what I am speaking about.

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When I was in college, I spent a summer in NYC visiting relatives. I also got a job working on the loading dock of a meat packing company in Harlem. A day didn't go by where an NYPD officer would drive up and request a donation of meat (chickens, steaks, ribs, etc.) for some party, BBQ, or something. After the first few days, I asked why the company was giving away so much meat. I was told that if the company didn't donate, their delivery trucks would be ticketed for any violation that the NYPD cops could think of. During my career, I knew a retired NYPD detective who was also a friend of Frank Serpico and was even portrayed in the movie. From what he told me and from my personal experience, I have no respect for the NYPD.
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