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View Poll Results: Which shell would you choose for the first shot in the chamber?
2¾ O Buck 12 .32 pellets 6 4.23%
2¾" OO Buck 9 .33 pellets 50 35.21%
2¾" Mag OO Buck 12 .33 pellets 8 5.63%
3" Mag OO Buck 15 .33 pellets 7 4.93%
2¾" OOO Buck 8 .36 pellets 5 3.52%
3" OOO Buck 10 .36 pellets 3 2.11%
2¾" #1 Buck 16 .30 pellets 12 8.45%
3" #1 Buck 24 .30 pellets 4 2.82%
2¾" #4 Buck 27 .24 pellets 37 26.06%
3" #4 Buck 41 .24 pellets 5 3.52%
2¾" 1oz. Foster Slug @ 1600 fps 1 0.70%
2¾" ⅞oz. Slug @ 1800 fps 4 2.82%
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Shoots a variety of birdshot, buckshot and slugs.
Does anyone continue to seriously question the value of low brass target loads at close range after watching that video?
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Does anyone continue to seriously question the value of low brass target loads at close range after watching that video?
I'm firmly convinced that it can get me a rabbit for the pot or a squirrel. Maybe even a couple of doves. It's hell on soda cans a cookie pans. I am not impressed with it as a defensive load. Buckshot comes in cheap 25 round boxes at Walmart. I take some duct tape and reinforce the bottom of the box and away I go. I carry a box of 25 buck shot, a box of 25 low brass #6's, and a box of 15 slugs in the vehicle. I am prepared for subsistence survival to defense from predators.

I just remembered a story about why I don't (and maybe you shouldn't) use fine shot on serious things. So there was this raccoon ambling about during daylight hours a few years ago. Something was amiss and I decided to take him out. Not wanting to waste my precious magnum buckshot because he wasn't​ too big I loaded a #6. Whowee was he super pissed off when I shot him with that #6. He snarled and started to turn towards me right about the time the 3" magnum buckshot slammed home in the chamber. I immediately touched it off and sent him rolling three feet further away and he was dead when he stopped. So that's where I think back to whenever​ I get the urge to go easy on the problem pops in.
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Here's what Greg Ellifritz found (Greg is the Author of An Alternative Look at Handgun Stopping Power).

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In my study of defensive shootings, I collected data on nearly 200 shotgun shootings. When I analyzed the data to determine which rounds immediately incapacitated the person shot, I found some interesting results:

Birdshot (all types)- 17% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

Buckshot (all types)- 54% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

Rifled Slugs- 67% of shots led to an immediate incapacitation

All of the above results were from shootings with 12 gauge shotguns only.


Bird Shot for Self Defense and Some Stopping Power Statistics | Active Response Training

An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
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147 grain HST if I'm not going to be using a proper long gun. If using a shotgun then all of the shells in it would be either 2.75" #1 or 00 buckshot or slugs.

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Me. Nothing in Hickock45's video showed birdshot demonstrating adequate penetration. His video did demonstrate how awkward, slow, and inaccurate pistol-grip only shotguns are.
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Me. Nothing in Hickock45's video showed birdshot demonstrating adequate penetration. His video did demonstrate how awkward, slow, and inaccurate pistol-grip only shotguns are.
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