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Lady Sniper Shoots Would-Be Home Invader From Her Roof
I'm surprised this was deemed justified in Seattle. Not that I disagree ...
WATCH: Seattle Woman Snipes Armed Burglar From Her Rooftop
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Its fun to consider the legal implications that could be involved when firing from the roof of one's home. In many states, she could certainly be tried for attempted murder. Is there a difference between waking up to a window breaking in the middle of the night and shooting an intruder, or camping out with a rifle on top of one's roof waiting for an intruder? Does one scenario seem more like defensive shooting and one more like an offensive ambush? Did she have loved ones in the house that she was protecting? Should it matter at all in the defense of one's property? He lived, what will washingtons civil courts say? When making these considerations, we should keep in mind he was armed, so we have to assume he was at least willing to harm someone if he needed to.
Interesting stuff from a legal standpoint.
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Sounds to me that something happened earlier at this residence for the woman to be prepared and be able to get out on her roof to shoot at this person.
Something happened earlier! Phone call, knew attacker was coming, must of been remote location without quick Police Action.
Something more about this must be revealed!!!
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Its fun to consider the legal implications that could be involved when firing from the roof of one's home. In many states, she could certainly be tried for attempted murder. Is there a difference between waking up to a window breaking in the middle of the night and shooting an intruder, or camping out with a rifle on top of one's roof waiting for an intruder? Does one scenario seem more like defensive shooting and one more like an offensive ambush? Did she have loved ones in the house that she was protecting? Should it matter at all in the defense of one's property? He lived, what will washingtons civil courts say? When making these considerations, we should keep in mind he was armed, so we have to assume he was at least willing to harm someone if he needed to.
Interesting stuff from a legal standpoint.
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It may be fun for some but certainly not to the victims. This particular victim was about to have at least a double whammy perpetrated upon her. The (alleged) invader may have more on his mind than just burglary...especially if he had burgled the same home only two days before.
I wonder if he was intending to do the victim harm by way of sexual assault or even death.
All three of the perpetrators should be charged with (at least) attempted murder, discharge of a firearm within city limits, and burglary. I don't have any sympathy for the guy in ICU.
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The embedded news story video is curious.
All the talking heads seem incredulous about what to do about the crime problem, all the while, the homeowner made the most obvious and effective solution patently clear!
Yet, neither the homeowner nor her legal counsel get any airtime to state their case!
(Maybe that's in her legal interest, but it does a disservice to the general public.)
At least the one officer got to make it clear that she was within her legal right. I just wish they didn't portay it to make it seem like it's somehow extreme.
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… camping out with a rifle on top of one's roof waiting for an intruder? ...
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I didn't get that from the write up or the video, merely that she was on her roof when she fired. Perhaps she heard suspicious noises, dogs barking, alarm, … then moved to the best observation position available. Frankly, given the state of journalism these days, I wouldn't be surprised if she shot from an attic window and someone considered that "the roof".
The story said two were caught trying to drive away. Who knows, maybe she saw all three approaching her house and decided to lower the odds before they got any closer.
If there is a civil suit it will be interesting to see just how close she was expected to let the miscreant(s) get to her or her loved ones before she was allowed to defend herself.
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I didn't get that from the write up or the video, merely that she was on her roof when she fired. Perhaps she heard suspicious noises, dogs barking, alarm, … then moved to the best observation position available. Frankly, given the state of journalism these days...
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Of course you didn't get that from the write up on a news source that's so pro 2nd amendment, they decided to put it in their name. Why would such a obviously biased source ever shine a negative light on their own agenda? Maybe she was on the roof, maybe she fired from a window. That's the fun of the speculation and how the perception makes a difference.
Many great points have already been made. Another great point of the case should be the distance of the shot. It's unlikely she would have been able to see him from the roof, much less a window, if he was actively trying to come through a lower story window or door. It's much more likely he was shot while walking toward the home. With ill intent? Likely. He's not dead though, so what if he claims to have been taking a shortcut to his destination? If she didn't let him get close enough to the house, it may be hard to prove that was his intention. Was it dark; could he see the no trespassing signs? Im not too familiar with Washington state law. In my state the grand jury would no bill her so fast it would make your head spin. I'm not trying defend the guy by any means. These are just questions I wonder about. If it goes to court, civil or otherwise, I'm interested in knowing the outcome.
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I remember....
..there was some situation that gave rise to riots in a certain city and in the Asian district store owners were on their roofs armed with rifles to protect their businesses.
I don't know what would have happened if they shot somebody, but nobody told them that what they were doing was wrong. Maybe in the time of a riot with the breakdown of law and order, there is bigger range allowed to protect your property. I don't want to test that one nowadays, though.
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Sounds a little over the top to me, so I looked for something a little more neutral and reality orientated than what the OP's link leads to. Here's the Seattle PD's blotter on the subject. No mention of "sniping from a roof", happened around midnight. Looks like a very scared woman escaped a dangerous situation by getting on the roof, because the thugs were shooting at her...and got what they deserved for doing so. That I believe would be justification for her actions anywhere, where as the OP's linked report described actions that would have probably lander her in jail.
Officers Investigating After Homeowner Shoots Armed Burglar in South Park
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Originally Posted by THEmodelof1989
Of course you didn't get that from the write up on a news source that's so pro 2nd amendment, they decided to put it in their name. Why would such a obviously biased source ever shine a negative light on their own agenda? Maybe she was on the roof, maybe she fired from a window. That's the fun of the speculation and how the perception makes a difference.
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Well of course I had nothing to do with the name of the website. I did a search to see if anyone else picked up this story and couldn't find any websites that weren't conservative and / or firearm enthusiast oriented. I guess it's not a big surprise that more liberal news sources aren't interested in a story like this.
I did find another site with more about the story:
Seattle Woman Shoots Armed Burglary Suspect With A Rifle | The Daily Caller
This site gives a little more detail and has a video that shows the house. It says the guy was attempting to break into the house. The story also says police found bullet holes in the house and believe these came from the wounded suspect's handgun.
Personally, I would rather discuss what did happen than engage in speculation and conjecture. But I do understand that conventional wisdom is that a homeowner who shoots an intruder outside the house may be on thin ice, legally speaking.
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I have lived in Seattle all my life, and a friend owns a rental house in South Park (previously lived in it)
Not the best neighborhood. Minimal police presence as the Seattle City Council does NOT support the SPD the way they should, and frequently dictate priorities to them. VERY poor funding, and many unfilled job vacancies. Every time I see SPD and can safely get their attention, I just say "Thank you officer"
It's a very odd situation. City Council won't support law enforcement properly, and also doesn't want the citizens to protect ourselves. 6 of the 9 council seats are up for election this fall. The incumbents for the most part aren't running again.
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