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Just curious - does anyone have any experience dealing with a New York City or New York State "Pistol/Revolver License Application"? Does NYC rely on the NY State application or does the City have its own?

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On a separate note, did you know that NY State requires an application for a semi-automatic rifle?

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I should add this is clearly not for me, it's for a friend - literally a family member. Where I live the question is superfluous and outside the realm of reality.
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Separate apps.

NYS permit is not valid in NYC unless the NYC Police Commish gives his/her grace. Good luck.

‘Twas kind of tricky driving out to Long Island and having to traverse The Bronx and Queens.

AFAIK, left in 2016, for the last, yes. Edit. Corrected by demkofour..

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In New York State a pistol license is required in order to obtain and possess a handgun.
The application of a particular County licensing agency or officer (a county or city police department/ sheriff office/ local court etc.) is generally their own particular application. The NYS Pistol/Revolver License Application may be used in some of the jurisdictions but certainly not exclusively. I can not definitively say that the NYPD/NYC uses their own particular application but my educated guess is that they use their own application.

Regarding the semi-automatic debacle created by the present governor (often referred to as Cuomo 2.0…) a semi-automatic rifle license is now required for the purchase and possession of ANY semi-automatic rifle in NYS. Any person that lawfully possessed a semi-automatic rifle prior to September 4, 2022, is grandfathered in and not required to obtain the so called semi-automatic rifle license.
I am not aware of any semi-automatic rifle license actually existing here in New York- the workaround seems to be the possession of a pistol license. Licensing officers are endorsing pistol licenses for semi-automatic rifles.
So, as long as a person possesses a pistol license (with the endorsement) he or she can purchase a semi-automatic rifle. No pistol license, no semi-automatic rifle purchase. See Apply for a Firearms License
Concealed carry here is a topic for another thread!

What the future here in NYS will bring is anyone’s guess.
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Can't tell you about todays regs in New York State, but even if you had a carry permit 50 years ago it was the same. You could not carry in New York City unless your permit was signed by the NYC Police Commissioner.

Also check out the "purchase permit" required to buy a handgun back in the early 70's. It was a real pain to carry 1 or 2 of these in your wallet/billfold along with your paper carry permit. Mine was issued in early 1970 and you can see the condition after 4 years. My carry permit was taped together and had no more room for additional handgun info. Was told to get a notarized addendum typed up and then fold and carry with the permit at all times.

One of the main reasons wife and I decided New York was no longer for us....moved out and never looked back. The carry permits were issued for "lifetime" per the judge that signed mine, but we had occassion to visit upstate NY in 1988, then again in 1992 and I checked with New York State Police before leaving and they told me I should have turned in the permit in 1974 when we left so....I don't have any weapon in the car anymore if we need to go to NY.

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Amazingly, with the proliferation of Concealed Carry Licenses being issued statewide (of course, after the successful completion of the mandatory 18 hour CC class), NYC has apparently caught wind of the amount of licensees out there. Once you have a Concealed Carry endorsement on your license, non-New York City residents can now apply for a special carry license so that they can carry a firearm within the City (so long as it’s not in one of Cuomo 2.0’s Sensitive Locations…).

And, cmansguns, my original pistol license from the mid-1970s in Suffolk County looks amazingly similar to yours except it’s actually in original mint condition (call me kinda anal!).
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As far as I know you can possess a semi-auto longarm without a permit in NY State, but you need a permit to buy any new ones.

In NY City you need a permit to buy and own any longarm. In the rest of NY state you can buy a longarm without a permit--except for a semi-auto longarm. (typo corrected)

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I haven't had a NYC Pistol (Target) License in many years. When I moved out of NYC to upstate NY my NYC license was revoked. I had to voucher my handgun to my local Sheriff (for 11 months) while my application for my upstate license was processed. Since I still belonged to my NYC pistol club I then applied for a NYC addendum to my upstate license. basically applying for a NYC license again. The NYC addendum is not put on your upstate license, it is a NYC license that just states it's an addendum.

Rifles and shotguns in NYC were regulated by the Firearms Control Board which was a separate licensing application and physical entity. (In another county on the other side of the city.
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As far as I know you can possess a semi-auto longarm without a permit in NY State, but you need a permit to buy any new ones.

In NY City you need a permit to buy and own any longarm. In the rest of NY state you can buy a longarm without a permit--except for a semi-auto handgun.
You are totally correct about the possession of a semiautomatic rifle in NYS- legally possessed rifles prior to the new law were “grandfathered in”.

And yes, as you stated, in the City of New York, a permit is required for the legal purchase and possession of a long gun. In the rest of NYS, other than a few small municipalities (I believe Yonkers…?) the so-called rifle permit is needed for the new purchase and possession of a long gun.
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New york question....... why live there?
Second Amendment aside (and agreed, that’s a big thing!) NYS has a lot to offer.
Why am I still here after retirement? Mainly because our children both live and work here and both are vested in the pension system. Staying close to the kids and grandchildren.
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I made a typo in my previous post which I corrected in the post, but since someone already quoted the post, it is present in his post.

my typo was: "In the rest of NY state you can buy a longarm without a permit--except for a semi-auto handgun."

That should have read longarm, not handgun. All handguns in NY State and NT City require a permit.
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New york question....... why live there?
One good reason, for people that actually carry concealed and shoot guns, is that, once permitted, a person can carry concealed. Given a choice of being able to walk into a store a buy a handgun without a permit, but not allowed to carry it concealed, I'd choose New York.

If you shoot 20,000 rounds of varied ammunition a year, as I do in New York, it's nice to have over 30 gun clubs within a 1 hour drive. In fact, I can't drive 20 miles in any direction without passing a shooting facility. I wonder how many other states have that opportunity?
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If you just want to see what the NYS and CofNY P/P applications are like:..


Here's the City of NY 'Pistol Permit Application'
All 17 pages of it..

https://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...msComplete.pdf



Here is the common NYS P/P application used outside NYC.
This one from Monroe Cty (Rochester). 34pages though some are blank on purpose.
These applications vary County to County to City. (City of Rochester has it's own application but very similar)

https://www.monroecounty.gov/files/c...pplication.pdf

But this generally represents what the applicant will face when applying most anywhere outside of NYC.


Then there are the new regs for transporting firearms in a veh. New regs concerning BP firearms, C/Carry regs & Gun Free Zones (about everywhere)...and on and on.

The Semi-Auto Rifle thing is an 'Endorsement' that is added to your existing NYS P/P.
As of now, most Countys are simply Stamping peoples existing P/P with it.
That allows the holder to purchase a Semi-Auto Rifle.
No extra application, fees, background, test needed.

(All firearms sales in NYS must go thru an FFL for a Nics and 4473)

But the question has been asked and loudly,,what if I don't want a Handgun, Then why should I have to get a P/P for one just to buy a S/A Rifle?
(It's not supposd to make sense, it's about the children..)

..and if you already had a/some S/A Rifles(s),,they are fine. No special license needed. I guess they are non-dangerous guns.
None of these S/A rifles are 'Registered' on the P/P as the Handguns are

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Good cheese, second only to Vermont's, and far superior to the swill from Wisconsin that aint fit for dogs.
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Staying close to the kids and grandchildren.
Sad that many think kids and grandkids are less important than the ability to legally open carry down Main St.
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now you are getting personal attacking a cheese head LOL
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Couldn't resist...I know you guys love your cheese as much as we love our maple syrup!
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NYC makes up their own unconstitutional rules. No matter what the laws really are, they do what they want and the honest citizen winds up the loser.
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If you just want to see what the NYS and CofNY P/P applications are like:..


Here's the City of NY 'Pistol Permit Application'
All 17 pages of it..

https://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downlo...msComplete.pdf



Here is the common NYS P/P application used outside NYC.
This one from Monroe Cty (Rochester). 34pages though some are blank on purpose.
These applications vary County to County to City. (City of Rochester has it's own application but very similar)

https://www.monroecounty.gov/files/c...pplication.pdf

But this generally represents what the applicant will face when applying most anywhere outside of NYC.


Then there are the new regs for transporting firearms in a veh. New regs concerning BP firearms, C/Carry regs & Gun Free Zones (about everywhere)...and on and on.

The Semi-Auto Rifle thing is an 'Endorsement' that is added to your existing NYS P/P.
As of now, most Countys are simply Stamping peoples existing P/P with it.
That allows the holder to purchase a Semi-Auto Rifle.
No extra application, fees, background, test needed.

(All firearms sales in NYS must go thru an FFL for a Nics and 4473)

But the question has been asked and loudly,,what if I don't want a Handgun, Then why should I have to get a P/P for one just to buy a S/A Rifle?
(It's not supposd to make sense, it's about the children..)

..and if you already had a/some S/A Rifles(s),,they are fine. No special license needed. I guess they are non-dangerous guns.
None of these S/A rifles are 'Registered' on the P/P as the Handguns are

Cabelas in NY stopped selling Semi Auto Rifles all together in NY. Apparently NY State will not clearly state the process to get a S/A permit and will not answer question as to whether or not just slapping an endorsement on pistol permit is sufficient. Counties issue permits and apparently took it upon themselves to add these enforcements…….. NY also has no procedure to obtain JUST a semi auto rifle permit. This is the most blatant infringement on 2A ever. And it’s working for them.
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Well not only do we have cheese and Maple syrup, we got real deal wild rice!
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Second Amendment aside (and agreed, that’s a big thing!) NYS has a lot to offer.
Why am I still here after retirement? Mainly because our children both live and work here and both are vested in the pension system. Staying close to the kids and grandchildren.
Some years ago my niece, who then lived in NYC and now lives in New Jersey, asked me during one of my many visits why I didn't move back to New York. I told her "There's nothing for me here". She replied, "Your whole family is here", to which I replied, "That is not enough".

That includes a twin brother, nieces, a grand-niece and 2 grand- nephews, a daughter and two grandsons. Plus various other relatives. My point being that you don't always make your life decisions dependent on where your family is - some folks do and more power to them. My lifestyle doesn't allow for New York City to be a place to live. Or anywhere upstate for that matter.
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…….. NY also has no procedure to obtain JUST a semi auto rifle permit.
The procedure to obtain just a SemiAuto Rifle license is to fill out the
NYS P/P application that now also covers the SA Rifle permit.

That NYS application is now re-named and printed as :
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Here's part of the FAQ and answ.

3) I do not have a Pistol/Revolver Permit but would like to apply for the Semi-Automatic Rifle Permit.
You will need to fill out a Pistol/Revolver/Semi-Automatic Rifle Application and submit it for the standard process of a background check and consideration by the licensing officer. You are not required to apply for a Pistol/Revolver License in order to obtain a Semi-Automatic Rifle permit, but do have that option.

Do not fill out the portions of the Application that pertain to a Carry Concealed Permit unless you wish to apply for one. There is no training requirement for a Semi-Automatic Rifle permit however, applications indicating a desire to apply for both a Carry Concealed and Semi-Automatic Rifle permit must meet all the new requirements in State Law for a Carry Concealed Pistol/Revolver Permit.

This process will take between 6-12 months.
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The procedure to obtain just a SemiAuto Rifle license is to fill out the
NYS P/P application that now also covers the SA Rifle permit.

That NYS application is now re-named and printed as :
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Pistol/Revolver Application
Semi-Automatic Rifle Application

Here's part of the FAQ and answ.

3) I do not have a Pistol/Revolver Permit but would like to apply for the Semi-Automatic Rifle Permit.
You will need to fill out a Pistol/Revolver/Semi-Automatic Rifle Application and submit it for the standard process of a background check and consideration by the licensing officer. You are not required to apply for a Pistol/Revolver License in order to obtain a Semi-Automatic Rifle permit, but do have that option.

Do not fill out the portions of the Application that pertain to a Carry Concealed Permit unless you wish to apply for one. There is no training requirement for a Semi-Automatic Rifle permit however, applications indicating a desire to apply for both a Carry Concealed and Semi-Automatic Rifle permit must meet all the new requirements in State Law for a Carry Concealed Pistol/Revolver Permit.

This process will take between 6-12 months.
With so many jurisdictions and Licensing Officers covering all of NYS, down here in Suffolk County, which has its own non-generic pistol license application, we have yet to see such application for a semi-automatic rifle.
But, that could change tomorrow. In the meantime here a pistol license application takes 12-18 months to process for approval.
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