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If "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
May we discuss favorite S&W copies? If not, shut me down.
My favorite is an early non import marked Rossi in 32 long.
Internals look almost the same as the real hand ejectors.
Fun shooter and perfect size for carry something.
I think these were one reason for the change from "Made in the USA" to the more worldly stamp?
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Astra Terminator .44 mag looks suspiciously like a S&W model 29......
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Astra Terminator .44 mag looks suspiciously like a S&W model 29......
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Stout looking 44!
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My Taurus model 82 .38 Special looks like a brother of a S&W model 10 heavy barrel.....
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I have never had the opportunity to buy an "imitation"
so,, I am stuck with he few S&W's that I have,,,
I do have a Springfield Armory imitation of a Colt 1911,,,
Does that count??
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I had one of the 4" Rossi copies for a 1903 32 S&L long in nickel. Great gun , traded it to my best friend and some boot for a 1896 Safety Hammerless. 10 years later we are both happy about the trade. (How often can you say that!)
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My late Dad’s little Rossi Model 68 is every bit the equal in fit, finish, and smoothness of any Model 36 ever made.
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My Taurus model 82 .38 Special looks like a brother of a S&W model 10 heavy barrel.....
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Nice! Like the lanyard loop.
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I had one of the 4" Rossi copies for a 1903 32 S&L long in nickel. Great gun , traded it to my best friend and some boot for a 1896 Safety Hammerless. 10 years later we are both happy about the trade. (How often can you say that!)
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I had an Astra 44 Magnum with a snub barrel. Bought it cause I couldn't find a Smith 44 with a snub barrel. It was a MUCH better 44 Special than a 44 magnum but I'd have to say the same for every S&W 44 magnum snub I ever fired. There was a time when every one I found used came with box of magnums with 49 rounds in it !!!!
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My late Dad’s little Rossi Model 68 is every bit the equal in fit, finish, and smoothness of any Model 36 ever made.
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Dear lord, don’t send a plague of frogs or locust on Sigp220 for his blasphemy, he is a nice guy and funny too. He has just smelled too much second hand smoke—which is everywhere in Colorado—from their laughing lettuce. Merely send the ghosts of Daniel Wesson and Horace Smith to haunt him for a few nights to teach him a lesson.
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It does!, but.......
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I have never had the opportunity to buy an "imitation"
so,, I am stuck with he few S&W's that I have,,,
I do have a Springfield Armory imitation of a Colt 1911,,,
Does that count??
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Come over to the dark side!
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My Rossi 720 44 special with the exception of the coiled mainspring is a very good copy of a S&W lock-works.
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Would my SW9VE count as a copy?
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I had a Rossi .22 revolver for a while. It was a stainless gun similar to the S&W 63. It was as accurate as my 63 and just as dependable. Seemed to be a well-built gun. I paid $125.00 for it about twenty-five years ago; sold it about ten or more years later for the same price, I believe.
The biggest drawback to these guns, Taurus included, is that they are copies of more expensive and more desirable guns. That desirability and resale value will never be up with S&Ws or whatever other gun was copied to make a cheaper firearm that looks like the original, even if the copies are of good quality. I prefer to spend a little more initially and get the best I can get and have something that I can easily sell for a good price or trade should I choose to do so down the road.
Buy something other people will always want. Helps to keep the value high.
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Dear lord, don’t send a plague of frogs or locust on Sigp220 for his blasphemy, he is a nice guy and funny too. He has just smelled too much second hand smoke—which is everywhere in Colorado—from their laughing lettuce. Merely send the ghosts of Daniel Wesson and Horace Smith to haunt him for a few nights to teach him a lesson.
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Laughing lettuce!!
John, that is hysterical!
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Is the finish on contemporary S&W models equal to this S&S Trophy? I have seen many a S&W and many worse than the Trophy, which later was shortly manufactured in Italy on the S&S machinery by Pietta under the name Competitor.
A S&S Medallion in .22 l.r.
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Willi Korth had introduced the vented barrel rib on his Sport series revolvers and it was immediately compared to the Python. Maybe it is a knock off but then, I do like the knock off a whole lot better than the original Colt.
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I do have a Springfield Armory imitation of a Colt 1911,,,
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Probably the most copied firearm in history.
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Probably the most copied firearm in history.
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Colt brought to market three, of the top four, most copied guns:
The Single Action Army, the Government Model and the AR-15.
Mikhail Kalashnikov, I believe, accounts for the most copied design with his AK-47 and all the derivatives.
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My very first revolver was Rossi's version of the Smith & Wesson model 63 that I bought in the early 80s. Curiously they had an ejector rod shroud long before Smith & Wesson added one to the 63.
Complete with a set of target stocks that I bought. Reliable and very accurate.
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Would my SW9VE count as a copy?
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Glock apparently thought so.
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My very first revolver was Rossi's version of the Smith & Wesson model 63 that I bought in the early 80s. Curiously they had an ejector rod shroud long before Smith & Wesson added one to the 63.
Complete with a set of target stocks that I bought. Reliable and very accurate.
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That is a really good looking revolver!
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Mikhail Kalashnikov, I believe, accounts for the most copied design with his AK-47 and all the derivatives.
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It should be noted that during the Cold War not all of that copying was voluntary.
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When I first got married, I had never owned a revolver, other than a couple Saturday Night Specials that a local sheriff had given me.
Those guns were knockoffs,, I guess, but, they were all so dangerous, scary, and loud, that I had soon thrown them away.
As a youth I had fired my BIL's S&W 22LR revolver that he had purchased in the 1940's.
I liked that gun.
Well in 1982, my wife and I were in a gun store looking for a shotgun to shoot clay targets with.
My wife spied a revolver, and remembered that I liked my BIL's 22LR revolver,,
She bought this one for me,, is it a knock-off??
Even to this day, this gun shoots very nicely,,,,,,,,,,
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I don't own any clones of Smith & Wesson firearms, but I do own a few of Smith & Wesson's derivatives of other firearms...
The Smith & Wesson Sigma SW40VE, a clone of the Glock 23. As most folks know, the first generation Sigma SW40F was actually so similar to the Glock 22 that Glock filed a lawsuit against S&W for patent infringement. The case was ultimately settled out of court, but the exact terms of the settlement are unknown. Supposedly Smith & Wesson paid Glock royalties on every Sigma sold up until that point then redesigned the second generation SW40E models so that they weren't as similar internally to the Glock. In exchange, Glock stopped threatening to halt business with any retailers who carries the Sigma.
My example is a third generation SW40VE, so it lacks whatever internal similarities the original had, but the overall similarities are still present externally.
The Smith & Wesson PPK/S-1, manufactured under license during a time in which S&W was the licensed importer of Walther brand firearms, the S&W PPK(/S)-1 sported a number of internal and external modifications to the design in attempt to modernize it, much to the chagrin of Walther Purists. S&W modified the hammer strut to reduce the weight of the DA Trigger, modified the feed ramp to more reliably feed JHPs, and extended the length of the beavertail to address the infamous "Walther Bite" which often left a pair of bloody tracks on the web between the thumb and forefinger of those with larger hands.
Although these modifications were largely criticized by Walther Purists as unnecessary and aesthetically displeasing, Walther themselves has since adopted Smith & Wesson's modifications to the design, so evidently Walther approved of them.
I know this goes against the grain of the thread a bit, but I figured why not showcase a couple examples of firearms designs which Smith & Wesson drew inspiration from and produced their own derivatives of, with or without authorization.
Of course, these aren't the only examples of Smith & Wesson making derivatives of other companies firearms, such as the Model 39 which was derived from the Walther P38, the Model 59 which was a derivative of the Browning Hi-Power, or more recently the Governor which was derived from the Taurus Judge. Unfortunately, I don't own either of those though, (although I do own a 4006 which was a successor to the Model 59, and a Judge) so I'll leave that to someone else.
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When I first got married, I had never owned a revolver, other than a couple Saturday Night Specials that a local sheriff had given me.
Those guns were knockoffs,, I guess, but, they were all so dangerous, scary, and loud, that I had soon thrown them away.
As a youth I had fired my BIL's S&W 22LR revolver that he had purchased in the 1940's.
I liked that gun.
Well in 1982, my wife and I were in a gun store looking for a shotgun to shoot clay targets with.
My wife spied a revolver, and remembered that I liked my BIL's 22LR revolver,,
She bought this one for me,, is it a knock-off??
Even to this day, this gun shoots very nicely,,,,,,,,,,
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As far as I know that is not a knock off. It is not a copy of anything other than another Colt. And Colt being first older than Smith & Wesson as a revolver manufacturer. And then having produced a swing out cylinder double action revolver before Smith & Wesson.
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M'kay, here are a few. First, a couple of Spanish copies of the S&W Triple Lock in .44 Special.
Taurus versions of the Model 14, 16 and 17 (.38 Special, .32 H&R Magnum, and .22 LR):
.44 Magnums, from back to front:
S&W Model 29-2
Llama Super Comanche
Astra Model 44
High Standard Crusader
RG Model 57 (!)
A copy of the S&W Ladysmith, the Rossi Princess in .22LR.
And finally, Italian Uberti copies of the S&W Schofield in .45 Colt (back), and the Model 3 Russian in .44 Russian (front).
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I don’t see why not, we regularly talk about Taurus, the biggest S&W knock off champion, not to mention their imitation Beretta.
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Maybe my Sig P230 is just a copy of the Walther PPK/s (by S&W and others).
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