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12-22-2010, 01:58 PM
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1935A German marked pistol + holster
The French 1935A pistol with the German markings came with the same ammunition that was in the gun when taken by the U.S. soldier. The holster is extremely rare. Very few are found as a rig.The correct mag.(German used pistols) has a blank bottom.
Thanks for looking, Joe
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12-22-2010, 05:30 PM
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Wow nice rig! I've never shot one but I have heard they have a good reputation as a good reliable pistol.
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I do believe it was designed (in part?) By Charles Petter , and it's the pistol that was the design basis for the excellent Sig P-210.
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12-22-2010, 06:57 PM
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Very nice rig. Great condition.
They used to be an inexpensive WW2 issue handgun. They're starting to gain in price of recent but the caliber/ammo availability has always been an issue and has kept the price of the guns down.
They do feel nice in the hand and were the basis for the SIG designs to come later. I always thought they'd be a great handgun in .22LR.
I have a few steel cased rounds of the ammo around yet.
Back when these were really cheap in the 50's and 60's ($20 or so) bushing the chamber for 32acp was an option done to allow the guns to be put to use.
Same thing as done with the Astra 9mmLargo M400 import pistols to allow use of 9mmLuger ammo.
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12-28-2010, 01:36 AM
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Nice rig. Only about 23,000 were made for the Nazis; the first 500 or so were inspected by waffenamt 651, based at Oberndorf, while the later ones were inspected by waffenamt 251.
That holster is probably scarcer than the pistol; it is the Modele 1937, and was only made up to the armistice in 1940.
It's hard to make the 35A feed OK with 32 ACPs: the rim is too large to go into the magazine. Grind th rim off and it will work.....sorta.
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12-28-2010, 08:38 AM
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I used to make ammo to feed one of those pistols and formed the brass from S&B 32 S&W Long. The S&B 32 Long brass I had seemed to have a smaller rim and an extractor groove already cut into it. In fact I suspected that whatever S&B used to form the base of their 32 ACP brass was being used to form the base of their 32 S&W Long brass as well.
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12-28-2010, 11:06 AM
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The knowledge "on military pistols on this forum" is amazing.
You are right about the holster.Most collectors have the 1935A pistols but not the holster to complete the rig. The correct "blank" bottom mags are very hard to find too. If marked, they are post war.
Thanks for your added information,
Joe
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12-28-2010, 10:19 PM
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Did the Germans use them during occupation duties or did they see wider service? I remember that the Norwegian .45s were mainly just kept for occupation duties in Norway owing to the oddball (to the Germans) caliber.
As late as when I was in college, you could get one of those for around 130 dollars, give or take. Unscrupulous dealers at gun shows would sometimes sell them with a claim that they'd feed .32 ACP just fine as is to those that didn't know any better. Some small scale custom loaders make some. Prvi keeps bringing back archaic rounds, like 8mm Lebel rifle, maybe they'll take to loading it.
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12-28-2010, 10:50 PM
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I would say occupational use because of the problem with ammunition, but I'm sure it was used by front line troops too. The Germans used all the small arms from the countries they occupied. TT33, Radom, CZ27s, Browning H.P.,Femaru, mod.37s, French Uniques + more
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Walnutred: 7.65 Long ammo can be made from 32 S&W Long cases, probably 32 H&R Mag cases as well. They have to be shortened, and the rims cut off and an extraction groove formed. This requires a lathe. Most of the 7.65 Long ammo for sale now is made that way.
If you're doing it yourself; don't cut the extraction groove too deep or let it go too far forward, or the pressure will blow out the cut. I had this happen with some cases I bought, and I had to throw them away.
Original French 7.65 Long ammo will probably have dud primers by now, and if they fire at all, the primers are corrosive. The ammo is worth something for collectors, too.
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