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I don't own any Spanish S&W Clones, but I do own one Brazilian Revolver that S&W copied.
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That should be "Euskaro," which is the Basque people's name for themselves.
If it's actually stamped "Cuskaro," then it's a copy of a copy. 
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I can see how someone could get into collecting these, as it could be more interesting from a technical standpoint than just accumulating a bunch of the more common S&W's that are more alike than different. Plus, I imagine certain Spanish S&W copies are genuinely rare, both because in some instances they were made in cottage industry quantities, and also on account of their having tended to be discarded rather than repaired (lack of parts and economic incentive). Of course, there's probably no money in such a pursuit, which is why there isn't a SSWCCA.
Still, I'm surprised by the lack of response to this thread up to now. Nobody's got one of these to share, or is too embarrassed to admit to having one (or a bunch)?
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IF I OWNED SOME, I WOULD FLAUNT THEM. I THINK THAT THESE VARIATIONS ARE VERY INTERESTING........
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That should be "Euskaro," which is the Basque people's name for themselves.
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Yup, it reads "EUSKARO REVOLVER" right across the top of barrel.  Thanks for the information.
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Here are a couple of Spanish Triple Locks that I own. The blue one has a 5" barrel and a four digit serial, 1482. The nickel one has a 7-1/8" barrel and a six digit serial, 322375. I doubt that they actually made that many but who knows? They are very different internally. I have not shot either and the nickel one needs some work.
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Nice! I've heard of Aranzabal. Small maker, but enough voiume to be a known entity. How do they shoot?
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Actually, already before 1914 the maker of that "Triple Lock" was the second-largest revolver manufacturer in Eibar after the Orbea brothers, with 130 employees. The list comes from a Spanish report about the Eibar arms industry and was complied from city archives.
It is not clear why only P. Aranzabal's name made it onto this gun; their full name can be found on other copies of US revolvers, like Colts, I've seen. But it is definitely that company.
The shotgun maker also on the list, AYA Aguirre y Aranzabal, likely founded by a relative, is still in business today.
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Good morning gentlemen, I'm very new here and just made my account to be able to post on this page. I was at my favorite local gun/pawn shop last week when two older ladies came in with a rusted revolver. They just wanted to sell it and did not know anything about it. With live rounds stuck in the cylinder, the guys at the shop carefully worked on it a bit. The shop ended up buying it for $20, I in return asked if after the 10 day hold if I could buy it and how much. The shop manager said $25 dollars. Anyway it's been about 3 or 4 days into this 10 day hold and I've been doing quite a bit of research on this revolver. I have learned it's a T.A.C. revolver from Eibar, Spain. However I found something on this one that I haven't found much info on. On most it says ".38 special or us service ctg". The one I will be buying only says "For .38 special ctg" and nothing else. Can somebody please explain why this one only says for .38 special? I'm going to include pictures of how the revolver looks now and please tell me if I should refinish it, only remove the rust and if you personally think it's ok to fire. Thank you guys and any help is much appreciated!
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.38 Special was the standard "service" cartridge for most police. Correct nomenclature, such as on yours, is a good sign generally.
I can't say if it's safe to fire by looking at it, but I've fired a whole bunch of ugly looking stuff with low loads as long as the timing was correct.
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Can anyone help ID my new toy?
I'm new to the forum so I'll see if I can make it work. I recently acquired a Spanish made S&W copy. It seems to be well made and is in good working and shooting condition. Rust and pitting on the outside, the barrel is clean and the lands and grooves are sharp, internal parts are good, no wear or rust inside. I've attached 3 pictures. On the left side of the barrel is engraved*32 S&W Cartridge*. On the right side is logo Trade Mark J.L.G inside a triangle (see picture). Medallions on hand grips are also in picture. 93 is engraved on the front of the cylinder, on the grip frame under the grips, and on the under side of the barrel covered by the ejector rod when the cylinder is locked. SPAIN (not Made in Spain like I've seen on other copies) is engraved on the underside of the frame behind the trigger guard. I see no other markings on this firearm. Is anyone familiar with this Trade Mark? Any information about this piece is appreciated. Are these copies worth anything?
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....On the right side is logo Trade Mark J.L.G inside a triangle (see picture). Medallions on hand grips are also in picture. ....
....SPAIN (not Made in Spain like I've seen on other copies) is engraved on the underside of the frame behind the trigger guard. I see no other markings on this firearm. Is anyone familiar with this Trade Mark? Any information about this piece is appreciated. Are these copies worth anything?
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This was surprisingly easy to investigate. The attached snip from a collection of US trade documents dated July 14, 1925, answers all your questions
Jacques L. Galef and Son were a large importer and wholesaler of guns in New York City at 85 Chambers Street.
As for present value, unless you find a collector with a special interest, these are little regarded, as the quality is difficult to gauge and their reputation, in some cases unjustified, not the best.
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That one is better made than many.
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32 euskaro
I have done quite a bit of research. But the stamp continuously eludes me. Does anyone have any idea what the stamp is or means?
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I have done quite a bit of research. But the stamp continuously eludes me. Does anyone have any idea what the stamp is or means?
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Marca Registrada is "registered trademark." The animal is supposed to look like something akin to a Smith or other trademark for the buyer.
"Euskaro" is the Basque's name for themselves, so this is an Eibar made revolver.
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This is my Spanish copy, picked it up cheap at auction.
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Marca Registrada is "registered trademark." The animal is supposed to look like something akin to a Smith or other trademark for the buyer.
"Euskaro" is the Basque's name for themselves, so this is an Eibar made revolver.
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The trademark I did know. I just couldn't find the bull anywhere. So does this mean that the bull stamp isn't even registered?
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The trademark I did know. I just couldn't find the bull anywhere. So does this mean that the bull stamp isn't even registered?
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Not in the US it's not. Almost certainly not in Spain. Just meant to give it the image of being "quality."
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But I do have a "Orbea" marked .38 Largo (I assume .38 long Colt)"
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Actually, it must be a .38 spl. In Spain, years ago, it was common to call .38 spl "38 largo" to distinguish it from .38 s&w (called ".38 corto")
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Spanish Fake of SW
Kickstarting this old thread that pops up from time to time.
Here's a real sneaky fake S&W trademarked revolver. Pretty close copy.
Total speculation that this is from someplace around 1930, but I'd love someone to correct me on that, as I am only guessing based on the barrel markings.
My first image file post here, so let's see if it works.
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I was glad to find this thread and maybe someone can identify this gun. It looks like a S&W Model 10 M&P but is stamped Made in Spain on the right and 3 3s where you would expect a trademark. It has a 5 inch tapered barrel. I inherited this from my Dad.
Here's some pictures. Thanks.
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Here's my Garate Anitua, it's one of the British contract guns of 1915. It has both military and commercial marks.[ATTACH][ATTACH] photo (54).JPG[/ATTACH][/ATTACH]
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I was glad to find this thread and maybe someone can identify this gun. It looks like a S&W Model 10 M&P but is stamped Made in Spain on the right and 3 3s where you would expect a trademark. It has a 5 inch tapered barrel. I inherited this from my Dad.
Here's some pictures. Thanks.
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TINCANBANDIT's Gunsmithing: Featured Gun: Spanish Smith & Wesson Clone Article on it here.
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I had a "Ruby" revolver some years ago, made by Eibar I believe. I think it was a .38 S&W. It was a long time ago. I wrote to the NRA and they sent me details and added that I should NOT use that gun, to not fire it ever. Which explains why I don't own it anymore......
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Thank you for the link. With the exception of caliber that is exactly the gun I have. Proof marks date it very well which was primarily what I was looking for. I'm not interested in selling it but want to find a general value for my personal documentation.
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my Ruby .38 special
given to me by local police officer back in the 60's forcing cone blown off barrel - I replaced it with a S&W victory barrel after drilling + tapping frame - fired 50 rds. of mild reloads back then + it has been in locker ever since -
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I had a "Ruby" revolver some years ago, made by Eibar I believe. I think it was a .38 S&W. It was a long time ago. I wrote to the NRA and they sent me details and added that I should NOT use that gun, to not fire it ever. Which explains why I don't own it anymore...... |
Maybe made IN Eibar, not BY Eibar
Eibar is a city in northern Spain, in the Basque area. Elgoibar is another gun making center.
Col. Askins mentioned both often; he was the US military aide at the American Embassy in Madrid then.
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I think I started a thread about this one when I got it, it's an OH that's marked .32 long, accuracy has lead me to believe it is actually 8mm Lebel Revolver caliber.
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1926 Eibar S&W M&P 38 Especial clone
I inherited this from my father-in-law last year. From the googling and other research (this site helped quite a bit), I have determined this is indeed an Eibar clone. The serial is 1257X and the 4" barrel is stamped "Year 1926" on the left side just under the front sight. Also on the left barrel CAL.38 ESPECIAL A-H and the little tongue out lion. On the frame where the barrel is attached is the shield w/crown and the lion again. The right side has the Made in Spain stamp just forward of the trigger guard. This is a side opener with a thumb button in front of the cylinder, there is no barrel lug support for the ejector.
The gun is not in firing spec, the mainspring is broken and I believe both parts are inside the grip. It was noted on one of the sites I researched that the pinned in firing pin was unique, as most of the examples I found the pin was part of the hammer.
I do not intend on repairing this revolver and would like to find someone who needs parts for their old clone.
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Which brand is this replica ?? anyone ?
Hey guys , new here , just found this in an old storage room , have anyone seen this logo ? which replica is this ?
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This one, in .38 Special caliber, was manufactured by N. Arizmendi y Cia of Eibar, and proudly marked "MADE IN SPAN" (really, not a typo on my part). Outwardly it strongly resembles an M&P from the 1920's. A very un-S&W deviation from that pattern is that it's a solid frame design (no sideplate). The only access to the action is via a removable triggerguard.
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Crucelegui Hermanos. They don't sell for much, and I don't know how well made they are, but it looks to have reasonable machine work.
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Thank You !!
Thank you so much !! what a fast and accurate answer thank you
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Crucelegui Hermanos. They don't sell for much, and I don't know how well made they are, but it looks to have reasonable machine work.
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Crucelegui sounds very Basque, and "Hermanos" is "brothers." Definitely Eibar region, so could be perfectly functional, or barely strong enough for a single go-round. It looks pretty good, but I'd want hands on to be sure, and check the timing.
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Well this isn't mine, and it isn't Spanish, it's Brazilian. But it is interesting!
This is at the NRA Museum at the Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, MO. One of the displays was a case full of guns with serial number 1. Among them something I had never heard of, an experimental Rossi revolver (one of two made) built around 1972, a 4" .44 Magnum in Triple Lock configuration. I am aware that there were some Spanish Triple Lock copies made back in the early part of the 20th century (I have two myself, shown upthread) but this is the first I had ever heard of a modern version of the Triple Lock.
Because the gun is all blue including the third lock cam plate, the plate and its recess is difficult to see even in person, much less in the picture. But I did look carefully and it is there.
A little Googling brought up an article from the American Rifleman. Too bad the gun never went into production. American Rifleman | A Triple Lock From Another Place
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Perhaps not your cup o' tea, but I own one & found this write-up.
ssusa.org/articles/2020/6/19/astra-cadix-not-quite-a-smith-wesson
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My T. A. C. 1924
I came across this pistol about a month ago and could not pass it up. Took it to the range again yesterday. I'm still looking for more info on it, so if anyone has any insight please share. Thank you and have a great day.
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Thank you for the link. It is very informative. I added my Spanish copy today. I am enjoying the thread. Thank you
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A very large thanks to this forum in providing the information on these S&W 38's and there Spanish copies. The posting have been very insightful and educational even when there is a disagreement about what we are all looking at. Here is my Spanish copy that I got from my father who got it from his step-father. It is a Garate Anitua Y Cia and I am not sure of the year. Enjoy the pictures and any addition information would be greatly welcomed.
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