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09-01-2011, 12:06 PM
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Sons of Guns and the Taser/Shotgun Combo
First off, I can't stop watching Sons of Guns.
I find Will to be a bit of a jerk and a mean boss, but his gunsmith guys are fascinating. I don't like that the show portrays the guys as the stereotypes that liberals see as tattooed rednecks either, but I still can't stop watching. I like Kris and Flem and Vince.
The gun aspect is very interesting although it seems like many times Red Jacket is just copying ideas already done by others (Magpul's flashlight box/gun as an example).
I'm curious if anyone else noticed something during last night's episode where they attached a Taser to a shotgun?
I'm a bit familiar with Tasers. When they fired the Taser at Kris, it was shown in super slow motion. The bottom prong struck Kris in the neck and the top prong missed him completely and went between his head and Will's head. The prong dang near could have hit Will right in they eye!
Geez, that was a lousy shot from the Taser, even with it mounted beneath the shotgun.
The electrical discharge from the Taser needs both leads in the subject to be effective. Kris must not have received a shock by that firing of the Taser. They only showed his legs tensed and they didn't show his face. Usually when someone gets Tasered, their clenched teeth and face of agony is whats visually interesting.
The Taser has a red laser that shows where it's aimed and, even mounted below the shotgun, it should have been much easier from the proper distance to hit the right area on Kris' back. That area would have been high in his back and low in his back with the two prongs, not in his neck and then missing with the second prong.
I have heard of Tasers being mounted on orange stocked Mossberg less lethal shotguns modified to only fire beanbags rounds. The idea of pointing a standard shotgun (capable of firing live shells) at a subject for Tasering violates the rule of never point a weapon at something you don't intend to destroy.
"Oops, I just meant to Taser him, but I got confused in all the excitement and pulled the shotgun trigger by accident."
Anyway, anyone else notice that the Taser leads completely missed poor Kris?
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09-01-2011, 01:43 PM
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I didn't see the episode but the idea of combining a shotgun and taser is questionable IMO. Discharging the shotgun instead of the taser during a high stress situation would be a major concern...
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09-01-2011, 02:01 PM
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When I first saw the taser wires I thought the one missed him. Maybe it landed over his shoulder or something.
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09-01-2011, 03:04 PM
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I'd prefer no Taser and a longer barrel on the shotgun.
I do dislike that all of those Discovery shows seem to focus on rednecks, although the one with the reptile farm does have that nervous, shrill Yankee brother. He used to mix drinks in NYC! The idea of him trying to control a black mamba, a king cobra, or a crocodile is amusing, although he has more common sense than his brother.
I'm amused when Sons of Guns uses a machinegun from a helicopter to blow up cars. They must have a pretty good budget.
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09-01-2011, 03:54 PM
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These smiths seem to be talented people. I'd like to see them do the kinds of jobs that "ordinary" users talk about all the time. For example, how would they modify a 1911 for competition? Then, film some fancy machining and welding. There's a big TV market out there for seeing how real tool making works. Perhaps the producers think that such programming is too smart for us dumb redneck gun owners.
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09-01-2011, 05:24 PM
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Ok, did anyone notice how small the shots on the paper were from the 50 Desert Eagle? It looked like a 9mm. How stupid do they think we are??
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09-01-2011, 05:31 PM
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Yep!!! Just like the Arisaka with no safety!!! The show is a joke!!!
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09-01-2011, 05:34 PM
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I went to the DoD non-lethal instructor school a couple of years ago, Taser had a rail mountable product then...not a new concept...
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09-01-2011, 06:25 PM
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Stupid idea....when we carry tasers, they are on the opposite side of the handgun so you don't donfuse them in a high stress situation....we also have shotguns that are bright yellow and are used for non-lethal bean bags...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sipowicz
Stupid idea....when we carry tasers, they are on the opposite side of the handgun so you don't donfuse them in a high stress situation....we also have shotguns that are bright yellow and are used for non-lethal bean bags...
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Sip....I would have thought that you comrades in the Great Republik of Kalifornia would use PINK shotguns for non lethal..... Again though it goes down to training....we practiced with them and after a while you can use it to ward off a non-lethal threat while still having lethal capability for the "fine-stein-a mator" lurking around the corner...
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09-01-2011, 08:32 PM
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we also have shotguns that are bright yellow and are used for non-lethal bean bags...
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Bean bags... really,, bean bags, I thought you guys had shotguns that shot rainbows and gum drops
If used properly they can "nice" people to death....
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