I have model 12 and 97 riots



and a 1958 .270 FWT 70 is on its way.


Other than the 21 (which costs too much) and the .308 88 (which I did not like and traded for the 97) What are the recomendations after a 1930's 94?

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You need a 22. 61, 62 or 63.

A nice clean model 61 or 62 pump .22 would be a good one to add. Also, one that won't be expensive or in the same class, but one of the most fun would be a good model 67 .22 single shot. I know that many people like the model 52 rifles, but they seem to me that they are more of a bench gun and a bit heavy for my liking and they hit too heavy in the pocketbook currently.

Other than that, a model 42 in .410 would be nice, but there are few found for sale that have not be "upgraded" in order to ask for more outlandish prices.

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I know I want one that will fire .22 LR

What is the story between the 61-62-63, and I think I saw a 62A

Not interested in a semi-auto 63

What is the comparison between the 61 and the 62
I would want the stronger gun that will hold up best with moderate use

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The 62A is a later version of the 62, which is an updated version of the model 90. The earlier 62's can be found with octagon barrels, and there are some differences, but without the book handy, I can't tell you what they are. Just know you'd be pleased with any of the variants. The 61 is the hammerless pump .22 and of course the 63 is the semi-auto that feeds from the stock similar to the Browning Auto-22.

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Here is a 1890, a 61 and a 63.
It started with the 1890 visable hammer pump. Then the 62, a nice gun that I dont have but had, then the 61, a hammerless pump and then the 63 semi auto. There are other models but these seem to be the classic .22s.

I wouldnt say there is any differance in strength between the 61 or 62. It really boils down to do you want a hammer gun or hammerless. You wont be putting on a scope on the hammer gun as it is top eject. You can on the hammerless 62.

The 61 has great lines.

Are all the 61's takedowns?

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Yes, they were. The 61, 62 and 63 are all take downs. Let me add, the 61 I showed has a octogon barrel. Almost all made have a round barrel. In the late 50s you could also get them in .22 wmrf. (mag). Again that 1890 I showed, that originaly was in .22 wrf. Since it already had some customiseing done, I had it rechambered to 22 mag.

Seems the 61's are bit pricier than the 62's

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Was going to say a M42, but Andy got there first.
BTW, I love the Riot Guns. I have a M12 Riot Gun but really want one in the M97.
I hunt with 12, 16 and 20 Ga. M12s as well as a mint M42 occasionally. I also take my late Fathers M97 out each year. There's just something about a Winchester.
Now my suggestion (since you asked). I'm going to break with conventional wisdom and recommend something different, but oh so special. How about a M1885, AKA the Highwall? If you've got the money the old Single-Shots are out there. My Dad was a Single-Shot collector and I grew up with a bunch of them. Plus, the Highwall was developed by John Browning. With that lineage, it's gotta be good.
Jim

Someone say winchesters? Here are a couple more.

62A, model '06 carbine, 69A, and model 1890 in .22 short. all take-down except the 69A boltgun. Guilt free shooting and fun beyond compare for me. Model '06carbine. I absolutely cherish my 1949 Model 70 in .30 Gov't 06.

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Go "big" and buy a Winchester M1876 in .45-75 with premier wood, pistol grip, and checkering!!

We told you this forum was going to get to you!!

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Still semi-affordable are the Winchester 9422s. Very high quality, fun and economical to shoot. And the asking prices seem to go up every month - they'd be money in the bank. The Henry .22s are a lot of bang for the buck, but like Fords and Bugattis, there is no comparison. Get 'em while you can.

John



http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/...er-9422-a.html

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Winchester must haves:

42, 61, 63, 69a, 67a, 37, 70, 320, 12, 75, 52 etc.

i need to get some pics of my winchesters for the thread

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These things are as addictive as S&W revolvers. There are so many models and then you have different features on the same models. There's just no place to quit.

Model 72 tube fed


Model 67 youth and 60A


Model 57 target and 56 .22 short


Models 99 thumbtrigger, 1902, 1904, model 36 9mm shotgun


Four variations of 69s, Dualsight, 69A grooved, Match, Junior target special


Model 62A, 61 s,l,lr, 61 magnum



1906s and 1890s



Model 43 .218 Bee


Model 75 Target


I'm kind of partial to Winchesters.

The Model 62 uses the same flat mainspring as the Model (18)90 it replaced.
The Model 62A changed to a coil mainspring & guide. That necessitated a different hammer.

There are other small changes like stock & forend style, sights, markings, etc. But that's the major difference I recall between the 62 and the 62A.

A Model 42 is always nice to have! Even the plain field grades have gone through the roof in prices through.
..and yes lots of them have been redone and further upgraded of late to enhance value. Usually sold as originals w/ a box and paperwork also.

Maybe one of their autoloading commercial rifles. The M1907 in 351 has a following.
I just got into a M1910 in 401.
The M1905 usually goes for little money.
All are handloading propositions or be ready for sticker shock if you can find factory ammo.
Nicely built rifles ,,big brothers to the M1903 and later M63.

Any of the .22's (61 and 63 especially) have been made into deluxe models outside the factory too. Just like any collectors field, you have to be careful.

You could go Military and 'need' a Winchester made M1 and M1Carbine too.

for a bolt action 22,i like the model 75 sporters. much cheaper that a 52 sporter and much easier to find. those are still relative bargains compared to 42's,52's, and any of the factory adorned guns. if you really want a neat one, find an original factory engraved model 90.

very nice

i have a big winchester fetish as well....i have a few 42's, 2 69's, 1 75 Target, model 37's, model 20 .410, model 41 .410's, model 70's, 67a's, etc....they are addictive.

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You definitely need to get a '94 in your collection. 30-30 or whatever. Its almost unamerican not to own one. Frank

My first gun was a Winchester model 250, a .22 lever action.

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Collecting or playing with winchesters can be very addictive. I must have
5 or 6 winnies in 30-30, one big bore 375 win, and a model 70 match rifle. If you handload then get a win 94 big bore in 375 win. With either cast boolits or jacketed they are a lot of fun. Since the 375 isn't made anymore you'll have to do some hunting for one. In the last 16years going to gun shows here in Louisiana I have only seen TWO. The first looked like someone kept it under the drivers seat, all dinged up and looked never to be cleaned. I passed on that one. The second a local dealer had a really nice one for $500. Passed on it at the show. Over the weekend did some research and found that the one I saw in it's condition was going for way more than that. Called the dealer up and told him don't sell it until I get to look at it. Soon as I checked it out I said I'll take it. He was just about to list it on gunbroker. Beautiful finish on both wood and metal, bore was almost cherry and it's now mine. The model 70 match rifle I found in a dealers gun rack in new york listed @$500 Stock had not been messed with, Still had the origional multi screw holed plate for the hand stop, came with match sights and an excellent bore. Haven't fired it since I bought it. Something strange about that. Then there was a string of model 70's in 30-06, and 308. They are gone now and for more money that I paid for them. Winchesters, come in all shapes and sizes. If you are looking for a .22 the win 69a comes to mind. Man sized stock, good trigger and has the rails or slots for .22 scope bases. Have fun, Frank

I had these:



And then - in a fit of irrational Winchester exhuberance - I went and got this:





My wife thinks I am nuts, but Jack O'Conner would understand.
Can I still pass the NICS test if I have become crazy for Winchesters?

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Sure!

John

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In the late 50's my dad traded a Luger for this 1906 Winchester 1892 take-down 44-40. It has a lot of custom features and was used a lot, probably on a ranch due to the small cattle brand in the stock. It shoots great despite a bulge in the barrel. This is my most cherished heirloom.



Here it is put together with my dad's chain carving and the last cigar he smoked and other stuff of his. He won that ring in a poker game on a ship in the China Sea around 1945. Another guy gave him that life boat compass back then, too. And my grand dad's two old cigar/cigarette cases.

The .270 Model 70 arrived.
A little rougher than I would have thought from the Gunbroker photos - but still plenty nice.

The scratches, dents and worn varnish is a dead giveaway that the first owner in 1959 was not a serious collector and thought that this was a merely a good hunting rifle.













As to this next one, I'm not sure if it's a keeper.
The wood is not nearly as nice, and will be heavier to lug around.
Worse, it was made in the 1940's before gunmakers had CNC manufacturing, perfect checkering and epoxy finishing.

And, alas, it uses this oddly named cartdidge:

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