I totaly agree with you satx; Look at my old post #18. I see handejector doesnt agree with me/us, but my 760 is very accurate with the peep, light to carry, shoots fast and mine is in 30-06.
I also belive there is something to be said or gained from encounters with the general populace as I dont look like a SF wanna be nut carrying my innocent looking 760. It looks like a old duffer carrying a old cheap family hunting gun yet I belive I could be just as dangerous as that wanna be wearing camo with his face corked.
I will say I almost got a nose bleed years ago when I found out dad had traded his old model 64 winchester in .32 win special for it!!
I also agree with the post between us. I have levers in .357, (rossi puma) 30-30 (wichesters 94 & 64), 308, (win 88) 30-40 (old win 95 carbine) and .44 mag. (92 browning).
In short I might be by myself here, but I have a adversion to carrying military weapons in civilian circumstances. I hate black plastic and semi`s. I am a dinosaur. I just dont like the image and dont feel handicapped with all the old stuff I have. I am well aware my thinking made more sense and was more popular years ago. The newer generation, its all they know now so probley its not a big as a deal as I said, but I am what I am. Older than dirt too.

I didn't read all the posts because I'm lazy, but to the original poster: It's already been done. I'll have to find the exact year when I'm back home, but a gentleman had an article in Gun Digest, I believe in the 80's, about using a Remington pump as his survival gun.

760 and 742 are decent rifles. Simple inside, the trigger assemblies look like you just took it out of an 870 or 1100.

The 760 has an O ring in the front of the forend that rides on the false mag tube. That sometimes acts as a pump and packs dirt and crud back in behind it. Really makes for a hard working action. Simple to clean out. Once in a while that tube is not seated squarely and it also slows the pump action down at the extreme rear motion. A shim can take care of that.
Some of the 742's from the late 60's and into the 70's had problems w/milsurp ammo and continually pulled the case heads off upon ejection. A real pain. Other rifles weren't effected. I don't know of anyone that ever tracked down specific headstamp(s) of ammo creating the problem. It was cheap enough then that you just used something else.

Both rifles use a multi lug rotating bolt like a Ross rifle lockup.

And AK is Alaska.

Keeping in mind the OP's desire to stick with .30-06; ARs, SKSs, and AKs are out of the discussion. As far as the Garand; it is limited to 8 rounds and you need the pre-loaded noisy clips. I love the rifle but I don't think it meets you needs. I think you have answered your own question and you have me thinking. I have an M1A but a pump like this would be a great back up and a very good first line rifle. Good choice!

An interesting treatise this thread is.
I've never been a fan of the Stoner or its cartridge even after using it for its military purposes.
The Kalashnikov however has been a serious contender and I have grown to admire it and its stubby little round, it works as does the round all you have to do is learn the rifle and its good out too 200yds if you do your part!
And while I own a Garand its not my first choice due to ammo restrictions. I want cheap and plentiful so I went East.
My fighting rifle at the moment is a Chinese "Paratrooper" SKS and for reaching out a T-53 Moisin Nagant, both have proven reliable to a fault and accurate enough for the job.
I'll have another AK some day, but for now the above and an M1 Carbine do the job.
Dale

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I think a lot of people had the same idea during the craziness earlier this year. Most of the lever actions flew out of the LGSs around where I live. Same for pump action rifles. While the shelves are again full of ARs, there are still no used levers or pumps. There are a few new 336s and 94 clones, but used ones are in short supply.

308 is OK. I have a few rifles in that caliber, but 30-06 is somewhat more powerful. I don't think there's anything the 308 can do that the 30-06 won't do better, except perhaps an ultra accurate over-the-course national match rifle. 308 is somewhat more accurate in that application (decimals of inches count in group size) than the 30-06 because of the higher case loading density.

The 760 is a good gun (other than typically wobbly pump) but I will 2nd the notion that the recoil is brutal (I have the 270). Pumps are for shotguns (even there prefer a semi auto). Lots of good options but I will also 2nd the suggestion of an SKS as a cheap, accurate and reliable gun with generally inexpensive ammo. I bought my SKS sporter (Chinese "Paratrooper" SKS ) for $300 some time ago (top dollar at time) and its been worth every penny and surplus 30rd steel AK mags are cheap and plentiful. As far as 30-06 if that had to be my choice I would probably get the 30-06 version of the Garand.

I have one, the 7615 patrol rifle. It does use 5.56 ammo and is set up to accept AR-15 magazines. In my case it has a little too long of a pull due to my stature but with a collapsible stock fron ATI it should be fine. It's built on a Remington 870 20 guage frame so there is little training needed for LE since most use 870s and the 7615 operates basically the same way. By the way, my LGS still has a few of them that were LE turnins and they will ship to you (or you FFL) if you aren't one.

CW

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To ALL,

My MBR is a Danish royal arsenal rebuild from CMP & my adopted family has a "mountain lair" in WV. - I spend my summers there.
(We have about 10K rounds of M2 ammo in our gun-vault & all of our neighbors there "are in bed with" the local SO & there are at least 25 families who have Garands for "local defense".)

Fwiw, "the mountain" is a "really bad place" to "cause trouble", as we are prepared to repel criminals.

After a "bad storm" several years ago, we had some "wannabe looters", who took one look at our "traffic control point" that was set-up "down the hill" & chose (WISELY, imVho) to go elsewhere to seek ill-gotten goods.

yours, satx

To ALL,

Fwiw, I'm looking for another magazine for my 1954-era Model 760 in .300 Savage and additional .300 Savage brass for reloading too.

yours, satx

To ALL,

If you'll accept the advice of a retired LEO, you all should consider your locale, "response time" of local police & other relevant circumstances in preparing to protect "home & hearth" from "untoward circumstances".

For example, I now live in SA 6-7 months a year, where "back-up" from the SAPD & our Constables Office is NEARBY & PROTECTIVE. - My primary task in SA is to dial 911 & then "hole up" for a half-hour or less, if "something untoward" happens, until help arrives.
Otoh, IF it looks like things in SA are going to "get really ugly", I'll load "my lady on wheels" up and go onto Ft Sam Houston, until things "settle down". = Trust me, the MPs & DoD Police won't tell a retired MP & his disabled lady to "get lost".
(My "city guns" are an old 12 gauge 870 pump-gun, loaded with #2 goose shot, and a 9mm Sig-Sauer P6 on my belt.)

Otoh, we spend the other months of each year at our "mountain lair", where LEO may respond in an HOUR, if then. - IF the "long bridge" is "out", we are on our own, possibly for days/weeks.
(My "brothers of the heart" and I always carry concealed "up there" and have Garand rifles, shotguns & other firearms available, as well as "back-up" from our "very well armed" neighbors, until help from the SO arrives. - After our experiences about 5 years ago with prowlers/burglars from "outside", we "folks up on the mountain" are prepared to defend against anything short of a major war.)

yours, satx

I don't know if already posted but a M-1 Carbine would fit the bill

For home defence it's the 12ga. Pump with "00" buck for up close and personal work. After that it's the brand new battle field proven flawless design of the Russian Izmash Saiga AK/AKM Semi Auto rifle in 223 or 308win. This rifle is very accurate. And the action spits out the 308 round faster than any other rifle I have shot before. It's dependability and reliability in any conditions and weather exceeds any rifle on the planet.
With its chrome lined bore and chamber it's the Russian quality up front.
This is the rifle you want.

The 12ga 2 3/4" "00" sends out 9 close to 32cal lead rounds while the 3" mag shell sends out 12.

Big Bill, et. al.,

Fyi, we MPs in 1990 extensively tested 000 BUCK, 00 BUCK, 0 BUCK, "1 BUCK, #4 BUCK & #2 shot in "the shooting house" and found that at "home defense ranges" that #4 Buck and #2 goose shot were DEADLY W/O penetrating interior walls with deadly projectiles.
AND
That #7 1/2 shot was generally enough, out to 15M, to "deter determined intruders".

We also found that EXPERT marksmen frequently could NOT consistently hit human-size targets in the darkened house with a handgun, even at THREE METERS, as they couldn't see the sights on their handgun!
(Full Disclosure: I'm a holder of a Firearms Instructor's and Range Officer's certificate "for life" and I completely missed the silhouettes at 3M, 7 of 12 times!)

yours, satx

Just read in the American Rifleman that the 760 in 30-06 and later .308 was issued by the FBI because it was so similar in operation to the 870 shotgun.

The 760 is a highly popular deer rifle here in PA as semi-autos are not allowed. It offers quick follow-up shot (quicker than a bolt?) and it works for southpaws. Plus with that heavy free-floating barrel , most are very accurate.

There is no doubt its faster than a lever or bolt. I have levers, bolts and a browning BAR also in 30-06. As said, it was my dads, it is more accurate with the peep than I am. Whats not to like? I think I will start packing this on my atv. Its cheaper, lighter, faster, accurate, and cost maybe a fraction of most my other rifles. I may hunt for a extra magazine, maybe a extended one if they are made. I never owned a garand but being the same caliber I wonder what a garand can do what this wont in the real world? Or my BAR for that matter.

feralmerreil,

NUMRICH has 10 round mags for your rifle in stock.
(OR they did on Monday PM, anyway.)

yours, satx

Remington also made a semi-auto sibling , the model 740/7400 that takes the same magazines.

Thanks I often wondered if the smaller shot was more deadly.

I agree with the OP in that I had an AK and am decidedly NOT a fan.

I chose to go with a lever gun in .357. I went with a stainless Rossi M92 in 16.5". It holds 8 in .357 and 9 if you're shooting .38. $500ish. Not a ton of rounds, BUT I can reload for it, it's the same caliber as my handgun and the .357 ballistics are more than sufficient for what I would EVER use it for.

Of course, if you need to reach out more than 100-200 yards, you'll want something else - like the 30-06 mentioned by the OP.

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Don't know just what you mean here. The 760 and 740/7400 do not take the same magazines: the semi auto rifles have a bolt stop in their mchanism, the pump rifle does not.

Just as an interesting FYI, when I joined the U.S. Border Patrol in 1982, the rifle we trained with and was used in the field was a Remington 760 in .308 Win. There was a couple in the gun locker of the small station in New Mexico that I was assigned to; I don't believe anyone ever checked one out for use, but they were there if needed.

Well , you should probably tell the mag manufacturers then.




And IIRC , Rem factory 760 mags will work in a 740 , they just won't hold the bolt open after the last round.

I've got an AK-47 in 7.62x54R.


30-06 like power in a soft shooting, accurate, semi-automatic.

I was issued M16A2's and they were fine weapons. One was flat wore-out, but that's the USMC for ya. I don't fault the gun...just the guys that were supposed to be fixing 'em. I own a couple AR's in 5.56 as well.

Choose whatever you prefer and use it well.

Technically speaking , that's not an AK-47 , it's an SVD Dragunov. Basically a strengthened AK derived action.

Dragunov sniper rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia