The Mauser HSc pistol - gone but not forgotten

You probably were looking at a Heckler & Koch Model HK4. These were made in a 4 caliber set. Alex Seidel, who designed the HSc, was a founder and the chief engineer at H&K, and the HK4 mimicked the HSc in a number of respects.

John

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Did H&R import this back in the day?
 
H&R was the USA HK4 importer up till the mid 1970's.
Single caliber, multi-caliber sets and even a 100th yr commemorative (H&R's 100th year!)

I just looked at a HK4 this weekend. The frame was cracked where the small steel insert was imbedded to limit the rearward travel.
I get the feeling it's not a rare condition on these .
 
Thank you for the article...great information to have. Below is the HSC my father gave me. I am having some problems with it now...and I believe I need some new magazine springs. I have the original box, test target and manual. I had thought about selling it, but have since decided that would be a bad idea.
 

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Mine is still not fully reliable after a complete overhaul. I took it apart and degreased and cleaned every single part. I smoothed some of the rough production edges. I replaced all of the eight springs and got some original NOS magazines. Now it works most of the time but I still wouldn't rely on it as a carry gun.

Yet I do have to say in the HSc's defense that it's out of the box reliability is still above the average small cal. pocket pistols of that vintage.:)
 
Renato Gamba Parts

Any information if the parts from a Renato Gamba made HSc will work in an original or other manufacture of HSc? I have some incomplete Gamba HSc guns I may like to sell for parts and I want to be prepared if anyone asks. These are not the Hi-cap version
 
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Any information if the parts from a Renato Gamba made HSc will work in an original or other manufacture of HSc? I have some incomplete Gamba HSc guns I may like to sell for parts and I want to be prepared if anyone asks. These are not the Hi-cap version

To the best of my knowledge, these are two completely different pistols. I doubt if any of the parts will interchange, but the only way to tell for sure would be to try. In short, my best answer would be be "probably not."

John
 
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A brand new HSc was the first pistol I bought myself...later using it as my first LE BUG. Kept it and accumulated a couple more over the years as well.

Began carrying a P9s while working Narcotics again and changed over to an HK4 as my BUG. Later still, when the first P7s came out, the HK4 went back to work. Kept it and accumulated a couple more of them over the years as well.

Here's a pair of 'em...

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Truth be told, mostly carried one or another PPK or PPK/S as my LE BUG...no matter what I was carrying as a Duty Pistol. Accumulated a whole bunch of them over the years ;):D.

When the Walthers were no longer authorized, I switched to a P230 for 9 years straight...I was using personal Sigs as Duty Pistols. Switched to a K9...for my final 4 years of BUG carry...while still using the same Sigs as Duty Pistols.

The odd M36/37/60/640 did slip in there on occasion ;):D though...
 
The Mauser HSc pistol has been gone now for over 35 years. Yet it's still found here and there. It's history is really interesting, so I undertook to write an article on it for The Blue Press. I thought I'd give you an advance peek. Bear in mind I hold the copyright, but nonetheless, you're welcome to print it out for your own use if you wish. Comments/corrections welcome.

John

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The Mauser HSc pistol had its beginnings in the 1930s. At that time, Mauser-Werke, in the town of Oberndorf am Neckar, Germany had been producing a fairly popular line of single-action pocket semi-auto pistols in calibers .25, .32, and .380, the models 1910, 1914 and 1934. However, the Carl Walther company of Zella-Mehlis in Germany had introduced its advanced double-action Model PP in 1929 and the similar but more compact PPK pocket pistol in 1931. When Mauser sales dropped and the public began to show a preference for the more modern Walther pistols, Mauser management decided to develop a competitive double action pistol of their own.

The design of the new pistol was assigned in 1933 to Alexius Wilhelm Seidel (1909 – 1989) in the Mauser Development Section. Seidel was a talented engineer who later went on to become a co-founder and the chief engineer of Heckler and Koch in the postwar years. His work was difficult, as he had to maneuver around the existing and iron-clad Walther patents. Nonetheless, he succeeded in that task. His brainchild became the Hahn Selbstspanner Pistole (Self-Cocking Hammer Pistol) version “c” in 1934. Mauser was set to begin production in 1938, but the German Heereswaffenamt (Army Weapons Bureau) insisted that Mauser concentrate on production of the K98k rifle, the P.08 “Luger” and M1934 pocket pistol. With the eventual blessing of the German arms authorities, production of the HSc began in December, 1940. The first serial number was 700001, which was stamped on the lower front grip strap. The last three digits were also marked on the barrel and slide. The introduction of the HSc ended production of the single-action Model 1934.

The first 1,345 of the pistols are now known as the “low grip screw” pistols because the grip retention screws were close to the bottom of the grips. Most of this production run went to the Kriegsmarine (German Navy). The grip screws were then moved up about ¾”. At serial number 701348, the Heer (Army) began purchasing the pistol. Subsequently, guns were bought by various Polizei (Police) departments, including the infamous Schutzstaffel or SS. The Luftwaffe (Air Force) purchased their pistols through the Heereswaffenamt instead of directly. The HSc also found popularity with military troops who were not issued pistols; they often bought them on the commercial market. These pistols were produced in 7.65mm (32 ACP). A few experimental models were subsequently made in .22 LR caliber.

The HSc was a blowback pistol, and was designed to fire double-action on the first shot and single-action on subsequent shots. Unlike the Walther PP series, the rotating safety lever on the slide does not interpose a block in front of the hammer. It swings the firing pin out of the impact area of the hammer. The safety does not lower the hammer; this has to be done by pressing the trigger. Once the hammer is down and the safety engaged, the pistol cannot be brought to full cock except by retracting the slide, as the safety also blocks the sear. The slide will lock back if the pistol is empty regardless of whether or not there is a magazine present. The insertion of a loaded or empty magazine will cause the slide to snap forward. There is no external slide stop. This is a strange feature inherited from the Model 1910/1914/1934 pocket pistols and is often confusing when first encountered. The hammer on the HSc is very unobtrusive, designed so that it would not easily catch on clothing. It can be manually cocked for a single-action first shot if desired. Because of its rounded form and close fitting, the hammer seals the internal mechanism against dust. The gun cannot be fired when the 8-round magazine is removed. The extractor doubles as a loaded chamber indicator, and can be felt when it protrudes about 1 mm over a loaded round. The magazine release is at the heel of the butt, in accordance with European custom. Field stripping the unloaded pistol is accomplished by cocking the hammer, engaging the safety, depressing the takedown catch inside the trigger guard and moving the slide with the barrel and recoil spring forward very slightly to remove. The barrel and recoil spring are then easily removed from the slide. Further disassembly is not recommended. The HSc utilizes a significant number of stamped internal parts.

All Mauser HSc pistols made during WWII will bear the Beschussstempel (factory firing proof) of an eagle over “N” stamped on the right trigger guard web, the front of the right slide and on the barrel breech. In addition, military and police pistols will have a specific waffenamt (acceptance stamp) on the left trigger guard web. The wartime HSc was produced from December 1940 to April 1945, with a grand total of 259,923 being made. The Army got 135,000, the Navy 27,100, and the Police organizations 29,300. The rest of production went to the commercial market. Most pistols had a polished blue finish, while later wartime production had a rougher polish. Very late examples had a phosphate finish quite similar to U.S. Parkerizing, bore an Eagle over WaA135 acceptance marks, and had Eagle over N proofs. These are considered rare and very desirable for collectors today. From 1943 on, brown or black Kunststoff (plastic) grips substituted for the original wood. Pistols intended for the police and military were generally issued with two matching magazines and a flap holster, and these are also desirable to find.

The Oberndorf area was captured by American troops in April, 1945, and production of the HSc was terminated by the occupiers. The Mauser facility fell into the French sector of divided Germany following the war, and was occupied by the French from May 1945 to June 1946. The French continued to produce about 15,000 additional HSc pistols in Oberndorf, most of which went to their troops in Indochina. These had serial numbers in continuation of the wartime system, up to about number 971239. There were no proof marks on these guns, but an interlaced “WR” factory inspection mark was stamped on most pistols at the right rear of the trigger guard. Most of the factory was subsequently destroyed and the manufacturing equipment distributed to other Allied nations.

In 1967, a reconstituted Mauser-Werke returned to Oberndorf, and from October 1968 to December 1977, a total of 63,118 new HSc pistols were manufactured. 18,868 were made in 7.65mm with a serial number range of 00.1001 to 00.19868, and 39,250 in 9mm Kurz (.380 ACP) with a serial range of 01.1001 to 01.40250. A special group of 5,000 in those two calibers, the “American Eagle Edition”, brought this series to a close. The pistol illustrated was made in 1975. It’s chambered in 9mm Kurz, and is so marked on the chamber of the barrel, over “.38”. It came with both a finger-extension magazine and one with a flat baseplate.

Today, the Mauser HSc is no more, but the pistols, particularly those of wartime manufacture, are rapidly becoming valued collector’s items. This classic pistol had a number of innovative features. It pointed naturally and was valued for its ergonomics, sleek lines and quality. In its day it lived in very competitive co-existence with the Walther PP series of pocket pistols. Surviving examples still make very effective personal defense weapons.

You say the following above:

18,868 were made in 7.65mm with a serial number range of 00.1001 to 00.19868, and 39,250 in 9mm Kurz (.380 ACP) with a serial range of 01.1001 to 01.40250

I have a 9mm/.380 ACP serial number 00.10165, but acording to what you posted this should be a 7.65, any thoughts? Could you have the 00. and the 01. backwards, if so I would think this is probably 1968/1969 or so.

This gun is in the original box with factory manual (no target) and the sleeve. This gun has never been fired, I've often wanted to but haven't, my thinking is that it's got to be worth more this way even though it's not that old.

Great artical, glad I ran across this website.
 
You say the following above:

18,868 were made in 7.65mm with a serial number range of 00.1001 to 00.19868, and 39,250 in 9mm Kurz (.380 ACP) with a serial range of 01.1001 to 01.40250

I have a 9mm/.380 ACP serial number 00.10165, but acording to what you posted this should be a 7.65, any thoughts? Could you have the 00. and the 01. backwards, if so I would think this is probably 1968/1969 or so.

This gun is in the original box with factory manual (no target) and the sleeve. This gun has never been fired, I've often wanted to but haven't, my thinking is that it's got to be worth more this way even though it's not that old.

Great artical, glad I ran across this website.

No - factory records show that the "01" prefix designates the .380 models. You may have a factory mis-stamp or someone switched frames/slides along the way. My .380 (illustrated) has an "01" prefix, which is proper. Incidentally, Dillon's Blue Press catalog/magazine will feature this article as the centerpiece for the April issue, which will come out in early March.

Hope this helps.

John
 
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Paladin:

As usual, thank you for a very interesting and informative article. Perhaps you know the answer to this question - I've always been told NOT to dry fire an HSc as it could lead to some pretty impressive parts breakage. Any truth to that?

Regards,

Dave
 
The slide will lock back if the pistol is empty regardless of whether or not there is a magazine present. The insertion of a loaded or empty magazine will cause the slide to snap forward. There is no external slide stop. This is a strange feature inherited from the Model 1910/1914/1934 pocket pistols and is often confusing when first encountered.

It's only confusing to those that think all semi-autos operate like a 1911 or Hi-Power and fail to research their gun properly. RTFM works and makes for a quieter life, just ask any Hakim owner. :D
 
Paladin:

As usual, thank you for a very interesting and informative article. Perhaps you know the answer to this question - I've always been told NOT to dry fire an HSc as it could lead to some pretty impressive parts breakage. Any truth to that?

Regards,

Dave

You know, I downloaded the original manual for the HSc to see if it said anything about that. Here's the link:

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Now, whoever can read German, let us know! :confused:

John
 
I have always like the looks of the HSc, but never had the opportunity to buy one, until a couple of weeks ago one of my friends noticed on in the gun shop we were at. It came home with me Monday. I shot 21 rounds through it at 7 yards, one failure to feed in each of the first two mags, none on the third. I am still healing from the hammer bite. Mine is 01.256xx, looks new, box and one mag. Does anyone know where i can find a magazine with the extension?

Great article and timely for me. I remembered reading it earlier and looked it up when i got the gun.
 
Mauser HSc

I inherited my HSc from my father. I have seen several posts that mention ammo and magazine springs. Where can I get new magazine springs?
What has proved the be the best ammo in terms of reliable feeding?
 
I had a mint condition HSc back in the 70s, don't even remember what I traded it for. Another one of those guns I wish I had kept. It was very well made, very nice bluing.
 
About 7-8 years ago, I bought one of the more recent ones from a friend, in essentially new condition. It jammed too much, so my friend sold it to me (I knew about that, but thought I could fix it). I had the same failure to feed problems, occasionally only, but often enough to lose confidence in its reliability. I fiddled around with it, to no avail. Anyway, I ended up trading it off for something else.

Now, how about the THIRD of the Nazi pocket pistol triumvirate that no one ever talks about, but is probably the best of the bunch - the Sauer 38H.
 
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After lusting after one of these for many years, I happened to find an excellent example for a nice price several months ago. I believe it is a 1974 build. I finally got a chance to shoot it about 3 weeks ago.

I was underwhelmed. I suppose it was accurate enough...but I didn't find anything else about it that was impressive, sorry to say. The trigger is not very good, in double or single action. It's not particularly pleasant to shoot either. I was also shooting a newly acquired Bersa .380 on the same day, and I found it to be much more enjoyable to shoot, with a better trigger and less felt recoil.

I'm sure it was a fine design in its time, and a well made pistol...but, assuming my pistol is representative of the line, it hasn't aged well.

Tim
 
Paladin - I rally enjoyed reading your article from back several years ago. I found it quite by accident. I owan a Mauser HSc .380 Caliber (model) now made by Renato Gamba Gardone in V.T. Italy. Serial Number 102276 TSA-NKC-MO

I have been searching (in vain) through several handgun articles and magazines, for a ammunition clip for this mauser. In the article there is a photo of this clip. Do you know where or with whom I might purchase a clip for this gun?

I purchased this gun at a WWII Veteran's estate sale. No one could give me any information about it. I took it to a reliable gunsmith who cleaned it up and lubricated. It fires great and is very accurate. I carry (concealed carry permit) this gun often because of its size and capability.

If you have any information about where i could get annother clip for this Mauser I would really appreaciate it.

NavyVet1968
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