Sig P365 at the 7,500 round mark

[chief38]

I have had my Sig P365 now for about 5 years and have shot about 7,500 rounds through it. Most has been American Eagle or Federal 124 gr. FMJ as that is my standard Range ammo. I've also fired a few hundred Federal HST 124 grain JHP which is my everyday carry load. It has never missed a beat, no failures, no jams, just a pleasure to shoot and carry as my EDC.

Sig recommends that after about 3,000 - 4,000 rounds the springs and some wear parts should be replaced. They actually have a very reasonable service offer for $135 including freight both ways, they will do all the work including the parts and test firing. I opted to do the work myself as I did not want to part with the gun for a few weeks and I am not a fan of shipping firearms if at all avoidable. The parts cost me about the same as the service would have been, but I did not have to send it out. I did the parts swap yesterday and today I test fired 100 rounds out of the pistol. It worked perfectly as usual and always amazes me as to how accurate such a small 9mm can be.

Parts swapped were the recoil spring assy; the striker assy; the trigger return spring, the striker safety block and safety block spring. I only did this at Sig's recommendation (actually a bit late as I now have 7,500 rounds through the gun) even though I never had any malfunctions. I just like to err on the side of caution because this pistol is my main CCW / EDC.

I could not be happier with this P365 Micro 9 pocket pistol and can't think of another gun currently available that I'd replace it with! With 10+1 on board and a 17 round back up magazine a definite feeling of confidence is instilled! A few of the targets shot today with both FMJ and HST JHP ammo are below. I shot them today indoors at 12 yards (36 ft).

[chief38]

Oh - Yesterday I also shot the Springfield Hellcat for the first time. It is ever so slightly bigger and heavier than the P365 standard model but does hold 11 in the mag vs 10 in the standard P365 model. It was reliable, accurate and although I was not used to the U shaped rear sight, it was easy to line up. It shot impressively well and the trigger was also descent.

I had never shot the Hellcat before and think it is also a model you might consider - quite similar to the P365. Personally I would give the edge to the Sig P365 and buy it again over the Hellcat - but others might want to look and compare both. They are similarly priced so that is not a deciding factor. All in all, either makes a fantastic EDC micro 9mm pocket sized pistol, although the Sig is a little smaller and easier to pocket carry.

[MSD2343]

Congrats on your success with the P365, both in terms of its durability and your outstanding marksmanship with it. I’ve just passed the 6,000 round mark on my four year old Shield Plus which is my EDC. I changed out the recoil spring assembly at 4,500 rounds but have wondered about whether it would be wise to have the slide completely disassembled, inspected and cleaned.

[Mike, SC Hunter]

SO. You have shot 150 boxs of ammo through one gun.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by Mike, SC Hunter

SO. You have shot 150 boxs of ammo through one gun.

Mike, I don't look at the P365 as "just another gun". In my opinion it is truly a game changer in the world of CCW/EDC. I have carried handguns of one sort or another for 48 years now (most are some sort of a compromise, as to weight, size, capacity & recoil) and I have never had such useful and efficient firepower in a 17.5 oz. pocket sized package. For a gun that is so light and that small and that holds 11 rounds of 9mm on board, is super accurate, reliable and easy to shoot, I see that as one of the milestones in firearms history. Not only that, but it goes to prove these Micro 9's don't fail, loosen up, fall apart or become inaccurate after a few thousand rounds.

As an almost half century toter, that impresses me quite a bit and I figured I'd post the results of 5 years of fairly regular usage of a new fangled CCW gun. While 150 boxes of ammo through one gun would not normally stop the presses, through one of these Micro 9's it is something note worthy. In the past when I carried a S&W M60-7 I was only relegated to 5 shots on board and as I get older I find it less enjoyable and more uncomfortable in shooting the Buffalo Bore +P 158 grain LSWCHP (my old carry round) rounds for practice and familiarity. I did and still do practice regularly with my EDC. With my old 5 shot Chief's Special the same accuracy was harder to achieve, recoil was much greater, obviously the on board capacity was less than half, and the package weighed more and the size was larger. With the P365 pocket carry is a breeze!

I have been super impressed with the P365 and could not be happier with it! Not one stoppage or failure to fire in all the 7,500 rounds! There are other similar choices out there as well, but I did want to post the findings of my last 5 years with this pistol - my one and only "plastic" firearm. IMHO, these new Micro 9's are a lot more than hype, they are the new generation of SD, HD, CCW, EDC pistols and for an old fart like myself to accept change, it must be pretty damned impressive. Figured maybe a few others might be interested in my 5 year experience with it.

Regards,
Chief38

[Barbarian-CBX]

My EDC is a P365 with 12 rd magazine and TLR-6 flashlight/laser in a pocket holster. One in the pipe and manual safety invoked.

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[Onomea]

I am a dyed-in-the-wool revolver guy, but I gotta say the many posts here on the virtues of the P365 do make me consider reconsidering...

Excellent marksmanship, Chief38. Impressive.

[Rule3]

It's because you used G96 Gun Treatment on it!
That is a lot of rounds through the gun!

[Well Armed]

Originally Posted by chief38

Mike, I don't look at the P365 as "just another gun". In my opinion it is truly a game changer in the world of CCW/EDC. I have carried handguns of one sort or another for 48 years now (most are some sort of a compromise, as to weight, size, capacity & recoil) and I have never had such useful and efficient firepower in a 17.5 oz. pocket sized package. For a gun that is so light and that small and that holds 11 rounds of 9mm on board, is super accurate, reliable and easy to shoot, I see that as one of the milestones in firearms history. Not only that, but it goes to prove these Micro 9's don't fail, loosen up, fall apart or become inaccurate after a few thousand rounds.

As an almost half century toter, that impresses me quite a bit and I figured I'd post the results of 5 years of fairly regular usage of a new fangled CCW gun. While 150 boxes of ammo through one gun would not normally stop the presses, through one of these Micro 9's it is something note worthy. In the past when I carried a S&W M60-7 I was only relegated to 5 shots on board and as I get older I find it less enjoyable and more uncomfortable in shooting the Buffalo Bore +P 158 grain LSWCHP (my old carry round) rounds for practice and familiarity. I did and still do practice regularly with my EDC. With my old 5 shot Chief's Special the same accuracy was harder to achieve, recoil was much greater, obviously the on board capacity was less than half, and the package weighed more and the size was larger. With the P365 pocket carry is a breeze!

I have been super impressed with the P365 and could not be happier with it! Not one stoppage or failure to fire in all the 7,500 rounds! There are other similar choices out there as well, but I did want to post the findings of my last 5 years with this pistol - my one and only "plastic" firearm. IMHO, these new Micro 9's are a lot more than hype, they are the new generation of SD, HD, CCW, EDC pistols and for an old fart like myself to accept change, it must be pretty damned impressive. Figured maybe a few others might be interested in my 5 year experience with it.

Regards,
Chief38

The P365 doesn't do anything that other guns before it were already doing. The Sig name, marketing, and support simply made it popular. A smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates it. A small striker-fired micro 9mm with a removable serialized chassis predates it as well.

I do own a Hellcat and a S&W M&P Shield Plus, but I still choose a revolver and a traditional subcompact double stack. The Hellcat is something that I carry when I must have something smaller when I need deeper concealment; otherwise, it stays home.

Originally Posted by chief38

Oh - Yesterday I also shot the Springfield Hellcat for the first time. [B]It is ever so slightly bigger and heavier than the P365 standard model but does hold 11 in the mag vs 10 in the standard P365 model.....

FYI: The Hellcat is essentially the same size as the P365, but it's slightly lighter than the P365 and not the other way around. If not for getting a MUCH better deal price wise for a Hellcat over the P365, I'd gone with the P365. The Hellcat is cheaper than the P365 and has an extra round. I was able to pick up my Hellcat with optic cut with 6 magazines in total because of the Springfield "Gear Up" promotion for a couple of hundred less than it would have cost me to have a P365 and 6 mags in total.

The major reason why I give the P365 an edge is because Springfield Armory has a corporate policy against selling factory spare parts to consumers or third party vendors. If you need a simple spring or the like replaced, you require you send the entire gun in. I like to keep a lot of spare parts on hand for EDC guns I plan on carrying and using for many years to come. I don't want to have to ship one of my primary guns off and be without for a month when I can replace the part myself in 5 minutes or less. I also want to be covered if the model is ever discontinued. For all the aforementioned reasons, I would recommend the P365 over the Hellcat unless you get a killer deal or it's not going to be a primary.

P365
Length: 5.8 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 1 in
Weight: 18.5 oz

Hellcat
Length: 6 in
Height: 4.25 in
Width: 1 in
Weight: 18.3 oz

[otis24]

Thanks for your report!

[Jebus35745]

I was dedicated revolver ccw person, then a friend kept telling me about the 365. Bunch of friends have it so I finally bought one, a used TacPack. The 12 rounds gave me the capability of 2 K frames. Considering most of the bad guys I see arrested on the news have high cap mags it was time to change. Right behind me is a commercial area with a lot of undesirable people at restaurants and hotels.

Nice gun, doesn’t recoil as bad as it looks like it should. Very happy. Only have maybe 200 rounds though it so I am glad your gun has so many rounds fired, it shows it’s durable. The only thing I like about the Hellcat is the U notch rear sight. Larry

[shawn mccarver]

Originally Posted by Well Armed

The P365 doesn't do anything that other guns before it were already doing. The Sig name, marketing, and support simply made it popular. A smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates it. A small striker-fired micro 9mm with a removable serialized chassis predates it as well.

Perhaps I missed it, but what pistol are you referring to when you say a smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates the P365?

[zeke]

The update is sincerely appreciated.

[Well Armed]

Originally Posted by shawn mccarver

Perhaps I missed it, but what pistol are you referring to when you say a smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates the P365?

P-11 introduced in 1995. I remembered incorrectly when I stated it was smaller. The P11 is 0.2 of an inch longer aka the same length as the Springfield Hellcat.









All manufacturers are doing today is taking bits and pieces of what's already been done, are packaging it up, and selling it as the newest, latest, and greatest. Popularizing something doesn't equal being innovative.... Kind of how Ruger "borrowed" from Kel Tec with their LCP, made it more popular, and then got all of the accolades.

FYI: The Beretta Nanos predates the Sig P365 as the first micro striker-fired 9mm with a removable chassis system debuting in 2011.... That said, neither Nano, the P320, or P365 were the first handguns with a removable chassis.

[Oscar Zulu]

Chief (and other 365 owners),
look into a product called ”Magguts.” It is a spring kit that changes the 10 round magazine to a 12, and a 12 to a 14 with a virtually unnoticeable change in magazine length. (Different kits).
An even better benefit is that it makes the magazine easier to load, which is worth the price of admission alone!

OZ

[max]

My 365 is my EDC, but I doubt I will ever get that many rounds through it.

[THE PILGRIM]

Long Time Revolver Guy here-
And I have 2-365s.

[diyj98]

Originally Posted by Well Armed

P-11 introduced in 1995. I remembered incorrectly when I stated it was smaller. The P11 is 0.2 of an inch longer aka the same length as the Springfield Hellcat.

That post brought back some bad memories. I ordered two of the stainless P11’s when they were first introduced. Both had numerous failure to fires. I contacted Kel Tec and was told that they just needed to be broken in. They were junk, although they may have improved with later production guns.

[Cotis]

I was a very early adopter of the Sig 365, purchased one within a month of them being released. Some of the early ones suffered broken firing pins from primer drag depending on the ammunition used. Sig recontoured the firing pin to address the issue (a turned radius instead of a hard shoulder) along with a profile change to the rear of the firing pin hole.

Chief38, did your parts replacement include this component? Maybe it was part of the striker assembly?

I carry a newer 365 with the manual safety, very happy with it. I need to shoot it more than I do just for more practice.

[ladder13]

Another early adopter, never an issue. A forum friend showed me his one day and I fell in love.
I have never looked back.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by Onomea

I am a dyed-in-the-wool revolver guy, but I gotta say the many posts here on the virtues of the P365 do make me consider reconsidering...

Excellent marksmanship, Chief38. Impressive.

Thanks - the tiny Micro 9 is scary accurate with its excellent factory metal night sights. Shoots like a target gun -

BTW, 6 years ago you could not have torn my M60-7 from my hands. After shooting a friends P365 (new at the time), that changed in 10 minutes. After waiting about 6 month for Sig to iron out the initial issues, I pounced! The Sig is the only polymer and or striker fired gun I own. That said, I'd never go back to the Chiefs Spl. for SD. back in the day, 5 shots were probably enough. In today's world of "strangers" coming in, gangs are a real threat - even in good neighborhoods. They make 10, 12 and 17 round mag's for the gun. Most carry it with the 10 rounder and use a 12 or 17 rounder as a back up. 28 rounds with one in the pipe on your person is pretty good odds IMO.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by Well Armed

The P365 doesn't do anything that other guns before it were already doing. The Sig name, marketing, and support simply made it popular. A smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates it. A small striker-fired micro 9mm with a removable serialized chassis predates it as well.

I do own a Hellcat and a S&W M&P Shield Plus, but I still choose a revolver and a traditional subcompact double stack. The Hellcat is something that I carry when I must have something smaller when I need deeper concealment; otherwise, it stays home.


FYI: The Hellcat is essentially the same size as the P365, but it's slightly lighter than the P365 and not the other way around. If not for getting a MUCH better deal price wise for a Hellcat over the P365, I'd gone with the P365. The Hellcat is cheaper than the P365 and has an extra round. I was able to pick up my Hellcat with optic cut with 6 magazines in total because of the Springfield "Gear Up" promotion for a couple of hundred less than it would have cost me to have a P365 and 6 mags in total.

The major reason why I give the P365 an edge is because Springfield Armory has a corporate policy against selling factory spare parts to consumers or third party vendors. If you need a simple spring or the like replaced, you require you send the entire gun in. I like to keep a lot of spare parts on hand for EDC guns I plan on carrying and using for many years to come. I don't want to have to ship one of my primary guns off and be without for a month when I can replace the part myself in 5 minutes or less. I also want to be covered if the model is ever discontinued. For all the aforementioned reasons, I would recommend the P365 over the Hellcat unless you get a killer deal or it's not going to be a primary.

P365
Length: 5.8 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 1 in
Weight: 18.5 oz

Hellcat
Length: 6 in
Height: 4.25 in
Width: 1 in
Weight: 18.3 oz

Yes, I realize they are essentially the same gun pretty much as I posted. You really can't go wrong with either one and like you state, I am not a SA policy fan either. Sig's customer service has always been revered as top notch and I rebuilt mine (the springs, striker, recoil and safety block assemblies) with OEM parts I purchased at discount from MidWest Gunworks in MO who is an authorized Sig dealer.

The Sig is also a lot more versatile and is able to be converted into many different size grip-frames and configurations if that is important to anyone here. There are also a bunch of different mag's for the P365 (up to 17 rounds) and a plethora of accessories available anywhere if those sort of things float your boat. I also prefer the Sig's standard curved trigger to the SA trigger that has the little safety in the middle of it - as I dislike them immensely! My Sig has a manual flick off safety on it as well as 2 other internal safety's just like the Hellcat, but I always get my finger pinched in Glock style trigger safety piece - on non Glocks as well.

Again, the SA Hellcat is quite similar and is an excellent EDC as well. The choice is more a personal thing than the differences between them. When I purchase a SD, EDC, CCW gun I don't give a hoot about $30, $40 or $50 bucks on the price. I will own the gun for a long long time and the pros and cons, ergonomics, reliability and the Company's reputation, service and policy's are what I pay attention to when the guns are not that far apart price wise.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by shawn mccarver

Perhaps I missed it, but what pistol are you referring to when you say a smaller and lighter 10+1 micro 9mm with serialized chassis predates the P365?

I'd like to know myself! The Sig P365 was a revolutionary game changer in that regard. I know of no other gun that small, light and compact with 11 rounds of 9mm on board prior to it.

[chief38]

I just read Well Armed post regarding the P-11 from Kel Tec. I had forgotten about that one simply because while it might almost meet the criteria of the P365, it was not a very reliable pistol from what I recall and never made the cut.

IMHO the P-11 isn't in the same class as the Sig P365 or SA Hellcat. Just my opinion.

[chief38]

BTW, there are usually "second class" firearms in a similar class as "first class" guns are. What I mean by that is this example below......

IMO the best .380 acp pocket pistol in its class is the Ruger LCP MAX. It holds 10+1, has great sights, is reliable, accurate and manageable by almost anyone. Taurus makes a similar model (if I recall the name might be Spectrum - but don't hold me to that) which looks and feels great in the hand, but is less reliable than an Alligator in mating season! Two of my friends own them and they have yet to be able to fire one mag's worth of ammo without a stoppage! One of them has been back to the Factory twice, the other once. They did improve them a bit but not enough to even consider carrying for SD. The Taurus is slightly smaller and lighter than the LCP Max, but holds 3 rounds less and most importantly the Ruger works, the Taurus doesn't. So I don't look at the Taurus as a viable EDC CCW or SD gun - just a "toy" or "collectible" if you will. Some might call it a paperweight.

For a newly designed gun to be viable as well as become a commercial success, it must work, live up to the hype and perform flawlessly. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think the P-11 made the grade.

[BE Mike]

I, like many, carried revolvers for decades. My first venture into EDC autos was the Kahr CM9. It is a fine pistol, but when the Sig P365 came out, with the extra capacity and better trigger, I jumped on it. I shoot it better and haven't had any issues with it. I now own a few different Sig striker fired pistols and can't complain about them or the customer service. I tried to love a Glock 23, but couldn't. A Glock rep. who was trying to sell Glock 21's to a department let me shoot one when I had been on the range when they arrived, as a courtesy. It jammed and the Glock rep said that I was limp wristing it. I had just been training with a bullseye accurized 1911 beforehand and had no trouble there. I pretty much gave up on Glocks after that BS.

[Krogen]

I am admittedly, a Sig "fan-boy." Every Sig I own (210, 220, 228, 1911, 320 & 365) just work and are accurate. Not one of them has ever malfunctioned.

Chief38's earlier testimony on the 365 caused me switch from the 228 to the 365 for concealed carry. The gun hits above its weight. No complaints whatsoever and my thanks to chief38 for putting it on my RADAR.

[1911haulic]

Thank you for the write-up.

[Onomea]

Originally Posted by chief38

...The Sig ... is able to be converted into many different size grip-frames and configurations if that is important to anyone here...

That's interesting, and important to me: I have large hands and generally replace my revolver factory grips with larger grips.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by Onomea

That's interesting, and importany to me: I have large hands and generally replace my revolver factory grips with larger grips.

Onomea,

"The gun" is only the serial numbered Fire Control Group that fits inside the grip frame. They have so many configurations, styles, after market grip frames, barrels, triggers, with and without manual safety's, colors, blah blah blah I actually lost count! The combinations are endless and the FCG is held in by a single push pin. Swapping it out takes less than one minute!

Up until I bought this gun, I never considered a polymer, striker fired gun before. After putting over 100 rounds through my friend's gun, I could no longer ignore the HUGE benefits. I was instantly sold!

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by Onomea

That's interesting, and important to me: I have large hands and generally replace my revolver factory grips with larger grips.

I have skinny hands with long fingers. The small grip circumference of a stock P365 felt awkward for me handling one in the store. I've been burned that way before, buying a Star Firestar on the recommendation of others. Yes, the Star soaks up recoil very well, but its grip might have been oiled Teflon when it came to drawing from a holster. The P365 had the same feel. If there is a grip frame that makes it chunkier with the same grip length, I might be OK.

Interesting point about Springfield and their spares policy. I had no idea. I only own one, an XD, and only because it came at a price I couldn't refuse.

[Onomea]

I am thinking of trying to find a large dealer, someplace that sells a lot of P365s, to see if I can try out the feel of various configurations to find a combination that feels comfortable and stable.

[Barbarian-CBX]

Originally Posted by LVSteve

I have skinny hands with long fingers. The small grip circumference of a stock P365 felt awkward for me handling one in the store. I've been burned that way before, buying a Star Firestar on the recommendation of others. Yes, the Star soaks up recoil very well, but its grip might have been oiled Teflon when it came to drawing from a holster. The P365 had the same feel. If there is a grip frame that makes it chunkier with the same grip length, I might be OK.

Interesting point about Springfield and their spares policy. I had no idea. I only own one, an XD, and only because it came at a price I couldn't refuse.

Wilson Combat makes a nice grip that's slightly larger and has much better feel. It fits my skinny long fingers very well.

Edit: After I posted, I saw how much pocket lint was on my pistol and immediately cleaned it. I'm so ashamed!

grip-module-wcp365

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[chief38]

Originally Posted by Cotis

I was a very early adopter of the Sig 365, purchased one within a month of them being released. Some of the early ones suffered broken firing pins from primer drag depending on the ammunition used. Sig recontoured the firing pin to address the issue (a turned radius instead of a hard shoulder).

Chief38, did your parts replacement include this component? Maybe it was part of the striker assembly?

I carry a newer 365 with the manual safety, very happy with it. I need to shoot it more than I do just for practice.

Yes Sir - the new Striker assembly does include the new firing pin design. I did have 7,500 rounds on the old style and never had a single hitch with it. I only replaced the parts at Sig's recommendation and still have all the originals as a back up.

[chief38]

BTW, if anyone here likes to do their own maintenance, you can usually save money and sometimes they even offer free shipping at Midwest Gunworks. They are official Sig Dealers so you get real deal Sig parts and they also ship quickly. If they happen to be out of a certain part, just back order it and they will let you know when it's in. their website is easy to order from as well. They are pretty good!!

[OLDSTER]

Over many years, I have owned no fewer than 100 semi-auto pistols of nearly all makes. Some darn good pistols out there. A few years ago I purchased the P365X. All things considered, the Sig is the finest 9mm pistol I have ever owned. Size, performance, boringly reliable, accurate, and high quality.

[Onomea]

Prompted by this thread, I've been reading up on P365s for the last day or so. I think I like the P365 X, which has the XL's larger handgrip and the regular P365's shorter bbl length.

Looking forward to putting my hand on an X to see if it is large enough for my large hands, or whether I will need to buy a larger grip module from a secondary source. (Which, if so, leads me to start thinking about buying just buying a 365 Fire Control Unit, and building a configuration to my liking around it.

I'm also thinking about the safety. While as I revolver guy I am unaccustomed to safeties, the idea of no safety with a semi gives me the willies.

What do you guys think about a safety or no safety with the P365, and why?

[Oscar Zulu]

I have small hands, and the 365 grip seemed to be on the small side even for me. An inexpensive Houge Handall solved that problem and continues to serve me well.

OZ

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by Onomea

Prompted by this thread, I've been reading up on P365s for the last day or so. I think I like the P365 X, which has the XL's larger handgrip and the regular P365's shorter bbl length.

Looking forward to putting my hand on an X to see if it is large enough for my large hands, or whether I will need to buy a larger grip module from a secondary source. (Which, if so, leads me to start thinking about buying just buying a 365 Fire Control Unit, and building a configuration to my liking around it.

I'm also thinking about the safety. While as I revolver guy I am unaccustomed to safeties, the idea of no safety with a semi gives me the willis.

What do you guys think about a safety or no safety with the P365, and why?

Arlo, I changed out the small grip for the XL, large hands have I. The small grip will not work for you.
Being an early adopter, there was no safety option so I have what I have. I carry the 365 OWB so not really concerned.

Pocket carry in cargo shorts only, mine have big pockets. With a Remora holster.

[THE PILGRIM]

I have a X and a X Macro.
I find the X Marco grip to be large enough but would like the X to be larger.
Hogue Handall?
I’m thinking of trying one!
Don’t think anybody has mentioned the Family Baby, the P322.
Load up a 25 round Mag and shoot away like your in an Old Time B Western!

[ladder13]

322 you say.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by Oscar Zulu

Chief (and other 365 owners),
look into a product called ”Magguts.” It is a spring kit that changes the 10 round magazine to a 12, and a 12 to a 14 with a virtually unnoticeable change in magazine length. (Different kits).
An even better benefit is that it makes the magazine easier to load, which is worth the price of admission alone!

OZ

I'll second this recommendation.
I carry a 10-converted-to-12 round mag in the gun and a 12-converted-to-14 round mag as a spare. 27 rounds total with one in the pipe.

Personally I have large hands but short fingers. The regular P365 fits my hand better than anything else I've ever shot, and consequently I shoot it better than anything else I've ever shot. It shoots softly for a micro, it is easy to conceal, it is accurate, and has been 100% reliable.

What is not to LOVE?!?

[Cotis]

Originally Posted by Onomea

Prompted by this thread, I've been reading up on P365s for the last day or so. I think I like the P365 X, which has the XL's larger handgrip and the regular P365's shorter bbl length.

Looking forward to putting my hand on an X to see if it is large enough for my large hands, or whether I will need to buy a larger grip module from a secondary source. (Which, if so, leads me to start thinking about buying just buying a 365 Fire Control Unit, and building a configuration to my liking around it.

I'm also thinking about the safety. While as I revolver guy I am unaccustomed to safeties, the idea of no safety with a semi gives me the willies.

What do you guys think about a safety or no safety with the P365, and why?

Onomea,
The original 365 grip size fits my smaller hands quite well. The overall size, round capacity, and grip ergonomics made it an immediate purchase for me. I would think someone with large hands would find the regular 365 grip to be almost comically small.

The only thing I wished for was a safety, but figured that was a pipe dream. I carried a H&K USP compact (version 7, right side safety/decocker for a lefty) for 20 years (almost 1/2 my life at the time), competed with it in many IDPA matches so disengaging the safety during a draw became 2nd nature. I still sweep the right side with my left thumb of any handgun I draw. Low and behold a few years went by and suddenly they offered a safety version. I purchased the safety version and sold the original. Bliss!

The safety feature on an EDC gun is a polarizing feature. My friend who is still on the job tried my safety version vs. his non and proclaimed “no way. If I need to draw it someone needs to gets shot as fast as possible”. My other friend felt the safety was too small for him to consistently manipulate. Both of these guys are big dudes with large hands. I think that is a huge difference.

I have put a lot of thought into this and decided for ME a safety version was the way to go. I don’t carry a gun nearly as much as I used to (job changes) but for the ways I carry - IWB front or IWB 9 o’clock - I am much more comfortable having the safety. Just my $0.02

[BC38]

Originally Posted by Cotis

Onomea,
The original 365 grip size fits my smaller hands quite well. The overall size, round capacity, and grip ergonomics made it an immediate purchase for me. I would think someone with large hands would find the regular 365 grip to me almost comically small.

The only thing I wished for was a safety, but figured that was a pipe dream. I carried a H&K USP compact (version 7, right side safety/decocker for a lefty) for 20 years (almost 1/2 my life at the time), competed with it in many IDPA matches so disengaging the safety during a draw became 2nd nature. I still sweep the right side with my left thumb of any handgun I draw. Low and behold a few years went by and suddenly they offered a safety version. I purchased the safety version and sold the original. Bliss!

The safety feature on an EDC gun is a polarizing feature. My friend who is still on the job tried my safety version vs. his non and proclaimed “no way. If I need to draw it someone needs to gets shot as fast as possible”. My other friend felt the safety was too small for him to consistently manipulate. Both of these guys are big dudes with large hands. I think that is a huge difference.

I have put a lot of thought into this and decided for ME a safety version was the way to go. I don’t carry a gun nearly as much as I used to (job changes) but for the ways I carry - IWB front or IWB 9 o’clock - I am much more comfortable having the safety. Just my $0.02

This is definitely an individual preference question and opinions will vary.

For me, I'm of the same opinion as your non-safety friend. The simpler the manual of arms, the better when the STUFF hits the fan - JMO.

That is one of the things I really like about my NON-SAFETY P365. The trigger exhibits a lot of the same long-travel "feel" of a good carry revolver - though since it is striker-fired, the trigger-pull is a bit lighter than most revolvers.

Whether it is carried IWB, OWB, or in a pocket, I always carry my P365 in a holster that fully covers the trigger guard.

So that seems like the best compromise to me - and we all know that the choice of CCW guns is always an exercise in compromise.

JMO and YMMV....

[Onomea]

I appreciate the safety comments, fellas.

[Model 15-4ever]

Originally Posted by chief38

I had never shot the Hellcat before and think it is also a model you might consider - quite similar to the P365...

I did the same comparison two years ago. After carrying the P365 for a year, I shot the Hellcat and preferred the grip, trigger reach, trigger pull and sights of the latter. It also was more accurate for me @ 50 yards. Sold the P365 and have used the Hellcat since. About 1200 trouble free rounds through it at this point. I've found no difference in carrying the Hellcat in IWB or OWB... I don't pocket carry striker guns.

Both good guns.

[chief38]

Originally Posted by Model 15-4ever

I did the same comparison two years ago. After carrying the P365 for a year, I shot the Hellcat and preferred the grip, trigger reach, trigger pull and sights of the latter. It also was more accurate for me @ 50 yards. Sold the P365 and have used the Hellcat since. About 1200 trouble free rounds through it at this point. I've found no difference in carrying the Hellcat in IWB or OWB... I don't pocket carry striker guns.

Both good guns.

Yes - both guns are excellent and have been proven to be reliable and viable deep concealment SD guns! To me, the P365 and the Hellcat are pretty much twins from different mothers - lol. I pocket carry my P365 all the time - see the following.... A striker vs a hammer operated pistol are not much different as far as the release mechanism is concerned. Both employ sears and both are subject to accidental pulls and release. Both the Hellcat and P365 are striker fired pistols - so no difference there. That is precisely why after carrying my P365 for 3 years, I added a manual safety to the pistol - took 20 minutes. The parts are inexpensive and readily available - no gun smithing needed - drop in parts. Today I carry with the manual safety on and I feel a whole lot better about it. Each and every time I shoot the gun (and that's often) I always start the string off with the manual safety ON - this way I am "programmed" to always swipe it off before pulling the trigger. After carrying it over the last year WITH the manual safety, it gives me a bit more confidence no AD / ND will ever occur. Yes, I follow all the safety and common sense rules but the manual safety is a big plus to me.

Some are dead set against a manual safety and in the beginning I was as well, but that did change as I get older. The speed for the first shot that is lost due to swiping the safety off is a fraction of a fraction of a second - not enough to practically change outcome IMO. BTW, I NEVER carry ANY pistol or revolver without a holster that covers the entire trigger guard.

NOTE: Originally I was just going to make the cut out on my original polymer frame for the safety to go through, but then I opted to just buy a new frame that had the cut out in it. They are so inexpensive now plus I was not sure I'd like the manual safety - this way I could always just swap frames again to go back to the original configuration. Safety parts are drop in.

[max]

I prefer to have a safety on an autoloader. My 365 has the safety and I like the gun a great deal!!!!!

Originally Posted by Onomea

Prompted by this thread, I've been reading up on P365s for the last day or so. I think I like the P365 X, which has the XL's larger handgrip and the regular P365's shorter bbl length.

Looking forward to putting my hand on an X to see if it is large enough for my large hands, or whether I will need to buy a larger grip module from a secondary source. (Which, if so, leads me to start thinking about buying just buying a 365 Fire Control Unit, and building a configuration to my liking around it.

I'm also thinking about the safety. While as I revolver guy I am unaccustomed to safeties, the idea of no safety with a semi gives me the willies.

What do you guys think about a safety or no safety with the P365, and why?

[Onomea]

Well, pulled the proverbial trigger. Ordered online a P365X with manual safety and two 12 round mags.

I understand those mags are hard to fill, and I have a touch of arthritis in my hands. What's a good device to help with loading? Something that makes it easy.

[THE PILGRIM]

I don’t recall that much trouble loading the 12 round mag.
But the 17 rounder- I have 6 of them and I could only 15-16 rounds in them for first 3-4 loadings.
I use a UpLULA.