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NTM--BROWNING HP 9MM
It is a shooter but it appears to have layed in a drawer and, honestly, it appears unfired. There are some dings onthe top from someting knocking against it and someone took some flits to the slide to remove some surface rust.
Other than that it is in very good shape.
I put some Esmealda soft porn grips on it.
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Don't get to use to it this way. I am going to have a welded on beavertail done (ouch) which will require a refinish and some trigger work done---new finish ? HC maybe !
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A Belgian High Power with target sights will put a silly grin on your face every time you shoot it! Nice find and cool grips too.
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Is hammer bite a problem with those? I have one with the full hammer, and have never had an issue. I've only had problems with a 1911 with a commander hammer. The BHP is the most "trustworthy" auto that I've ever had.
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My Dad has that gun and i shot it a few times. It's real nice.
I wouldn't do anything to it. Maybe have a gun smith clean it.
Nice !!!! Love the grips....
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If you are concerned about hammer bite, try one of Cylinder and Slide's "no bite" HP hammers. It will save having to weld an add on beaver tail. And, by the way, nice pistol.
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Don't know about C&S no bite---fill me in please.
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The hammer is rounded instead of the usual factory curve backwards.
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Is hammer bite a problem with those? I have one with the full hammer, and have never had an issue. I've only had problems with a 1911 with a commander hammer. The BHP is the most "trustworthy" auto that I've ever had.
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I've never had a problem with hammer bite. But I don't have fat hands. I've owned Hi Powers with both the old ring style hammer and the newer spur sort. Both worked fine, no bite.
The HP is usually pretty reliable, but I had jams with one that probably were due to the extractor being too tight. I have not had jams with CZ-75 and Beretta M-92 pistols.
My son carried a Browning 9mm in iraq and found it very effective. Ditto for the Beretta M-9. This was firing NATO ball ammo, all that he was allowed in the battle zone.
I have a good photo of his HP,and it has only the Belgian markings. (In French, of course)
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PPK's eat my web up. Looking at this thing and it neeeds something. The 50 or 60 rounds down range so far prove it is going to be a problem down the long haul.
Anybody here had a problem likethis with the HP which was fixed by the cylinder & slide hammer ?
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FWIW, the pics indicate a "Classic" FN '71/'73 Pattern Type A Sport Model...these were imported by Browning from the '70s into the '80s. Incidentally, it might...or might not, have been Made...and Assembled, entirely in Belgium...regardless of the slide legend.
The Type A rear sight notch is tight...narrow and shallow, good for target work but relatively slower than the current trend for SD use. The opposing windage screws have a tendency to loosen with use causing drift of the notch...and are hard to find to replace when lost. LockTite is your friend ![Wink](https://smith-wessonforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) .
Up through '77 the SN indicates DOM; as in 71CXXXXX = '71 through 77CXXXXX = '77, the number after the "C" is the sequential SN for that particular year. Starting in '77 SNs began with 245/215 followed by a 2 letter code equating to the DOM as in "RR" (245RRXXXXX) = '77 and "PV" (245PVXXXXX) = '85. Similar to the "C" series, the number following the 2 letter code is the sequential SN for that particular year.
Depending upon DOM the feedramp might...or might not be the original "humped" version which may...or may not, reliably feed certain expanding ammunition. The straight/wide feedramp was introduced with the MkII in late '81...but FN continued using the humped feedramp in the concurrently produced "Classic" pistols.
As far as "Hammer Bite"; the situation can be caused...for some, by the shank of the hammer pinching the web of the hand or the tip of the hammer slapping the web of the hand...or for the unlucky few both ![EEK!](https://smith-wessonforum.com/images/smilies/eek.gif) . The C&S "No-Bite" ring hammer is a very good choice to eliminate "Hammer Bite" replacing both original ring and current spur hammers...as is softening the edges of the shank and trimming off 2/3 serrations from the tip of the spur hammer.
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My absolute favorite 9mm!
I put a C&S hammer in mine simply because I didn't like the original. The spur was just too long for my taste and I didn't care to bob it. Besides, the C&S just looks so much better. ![Wink](https://smith-wessonforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Mine has never bitten me. Its a much cheaper solution than welding on a beavertail.
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A Belgium BHP One of the best in my opinion....Been around a long time..hard to improve on....I have one from Actions by (T) that is more accurate than my bulls eye 45...
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I have a P35 with C&S ring hammer installed by previous owner. The spur hammer has not been a problem for me in the past. The only disadvantage of the ring hammer is it hasn't got enough leverage for me to cock the hammer without using two hands. Perhaps with a longer or stronger thumb this would't be the case. It's not a problem for me because I cannot think of a reason to thumb cock my pistol...That's a fine pistol you have there!
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Very nice. Hope you don't mind me posting a picture of my BHP. I previously had a blue steel model with target sights, but sold that one and then found this one that I thought was just awesome.
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C&S No-Bite Ring Hammer in a '77 C&S Custom
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I installed the ring hammer on my BHP as part of the C&S action kit. The kit lightened the trigger pull as well as eliminating potential hammer bite. I also installed the C&S extended safety. Be aware that replacing the hammer and/or safety at home requires three hands or somebody with strong hands to help. If you don't have strong mechanical aptitude and plenty of patience, its better to have a gunsmith to do it for you. I would have the above work done rather than welding the tang and refinishing the piece.
You have a fine pistol that will serve you well for the rest of your life. Good luck with your new pistol and enjoy.
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Nice gun, beautiful grips. Weld?? Surely you jest! Replace or trim the
hammer or just sell it and buy something else, but don't weld it. I
have two HPs, both with the spur hammer and have never suffered
hammer bite, but I have small hands. The HP is truely one of the
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Shot my first BHP, a borrowed Inglis, up in Canada in 1960 in a "commando match". Pretty tame stuff compared with what came later, but a hoot nonetheless. About 30 years later I finally got an Inglis of my own, and then a very nice Mk. III Israeli surplus for $289 (along with 3 mags, an IWB holster and mag pouch)! I put a C&S safety on it, removed the mag safety, and Spegel Delrins. Very cool, reliable little gun.
No hammer bite from either but then I have a smallish hand anyway.
The Inglis guns are definitely an endangered species as the issued ones--of which there are still quite few--are being destroyed. Shameful.
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A few years ago, someone on this site posted several pics of a BHP next to a three-inch K-frame revolver. The standard High Power is just a hair shorter and just a bit lighter than that Smith. It's much flatter, of course. Put a really nice set of not-too oversized grips on the revolver that fit your hand just right. Many people would say that is the perfect revolver, and THAT (to me, at least), is what a Browning High Power feels like. The icing on the cake is that it fires 14 rounds of a cartridge that is smack in the middle between the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum (in three-inch barrels), but without the fuss that an equivalent load gives in the revolver. My example (from the 70's), has a fairly heavy but crisp trigger pull, and I have kept it stock. You just have to handle one to see what the fuss is about. It's been produced for almost eighty years, so it has its drawbacks compared to more modern weapons. You can either get a newer version, customize it or just adapt and learn to shoot it as is. The long day of the Browning High Power as one of the premier world-wide military handguns is fading, but it will still do what it has always done.
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Neat BHP...
I pack this 1995 vintage HI Power often.
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I sure like it---it is not my first---the first was taken in a burgulary 30 years ago.
My grip---forwhatever reason---seems to accomodate web bite and in 1911's a tuff time with some grip safties. Bumps help.
The BHP has no grip safety--so problem there is eliminated.
Thanks for the pics of the C&S.
The welded on beavertail looks better---to me---but I have come to no final conclusions.
I am not in love with the BHP trigger either--not the pull, the look--but that is not a huge issue and the adjustable sights are OK---I just like Heinie Slants better.
The one thing i do like is the less round count mags---they feel better in the hand---well, in my hands---than the high capacity. i know that is gonna burn some tacticool butts.
If you have followed any thing that I think you will know that nothing is sacred. I do like the deep shiny blue but i am not afraid to touch that either.
If I do the weld-on I think that I will have it Hard chromed.
It is a project and I do like reading other thoughts.
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Which one do you like if it has to be refinished and can't be done the way Browning used to do them ?
The firs is as it is today, the second is a HC STI, the third is a HC M28 and the fourth is a M28 with an excellent refinish but as usual they turn out black.
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I don't see anything in the pics that justifies a refinish. Hammer replacement or modification and that would be it for me.
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Nice pistol!
I've had 2 FEG Hungarian BHP's, and both were excellent shooters. They weren't the real deal, though. I sold the second one when I picked up an actual FN, the one pictured.
Mine is my favorite piece of my accumulation. I put the original stocks from this one on the FEG that I let go, and replaced them with cocobolo, and since we're showing them off:
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I understand your thought. The welded on beavertail is not out of the question. Such an alteration will require a refinish if I choose this application.
It has some dings now and the couple of places that were flitzed which will eventually reqire a refinish.
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10-4 I gotcha! Go for it and post up some pics of the HP after the face lift I bet it will look great.
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Nice HP!
The Cadillac of 9MMs.
The best 9mm ever made in my singular opinion.
However I do not trust them with +P or hotter loads which is not a problem since +P loads do not really give much increase in anything other than battering the handgun, again my singular opinion.
I have a HP returning from Browning that was beat literally to heck with some kind of very hot loads.
I have two others. Thought I only "needed" one..............
First one is a "T" series made in 1967/68 and in excellent condition.
Second one is a MKIII made in 2010 and also in excellent condition. The bright blue finish on this one is as well done and beautiful as the finish on the "T" model.
Now I'm thinking I "need" an Israeli model being sold on Gunbroker by the ton.
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Well there have been have guns that I regret selling. Two of them were a pair of Browning HP .40 caliber guns. Sigh.
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My only BHP is a stock T-series. Beautiful finish, but the sights are hard to see and the trigger is terrible, thanks to the magazine safety. Still a great shooter, though. My other 9mm is a parkerized CZ-75 I bought new at the Fulda Rod & Gun Club in Germany back in 1986.
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Here's mine. Love it!
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I recently traded the last Hi-Power I swore I would never trade to a guy for a very nice 58 Pattern Enfield...I swore I would never let this last one go, this was my fourth Hi-Power in a 40 year span. It was a C-Code pistol with adjustable sights, If I ever run across a nice C-Code pistol without adjustable sights I may own a fifth pistol to never be traded. Adjustable sights ruins the clean lines...IMHO
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Here's mine. Love it!
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And well you should Bob ![Big Grin](https://smith-wessonforum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) , an '88 Sport w/ OEM Millett rear ![Cool](https://smith-wessonforum.com/images/smilies/cool.gif) ...
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I do know that adjustable sights are good----Good for me and my purpose for any gun I own--well, I dunno.I have learned, over the years, that sights, like finishes are not permenant.
I like Heinies--they are large enough to see and are rock solid.
I really don't like the adjustables on this one--but I like them better than the little combat sights.
A good gunsmith--not me--can fix that.
Blessings
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I actually prefer Heine Straight Eights, myself. two dots are easier and quicker to align than three. These work just fine, however.
I'm not sure about the grips, though, they may be aftermarket. Photo is not clear enough.
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Nice looking Hi Power you have there. I REALLY like the grips, too.
I have a HP that is a twin to yours. That target rear sight is a bit strange, but it works, and is WAY nicer looking than the one that replaced it. My HP was made in 1979.
If you plan to shoot it, you can improve the trigger pull considerably by removing the magazine safety.
Way back when, I had a S&W Model 59, and the HP. Using the same ammunition (my reloads) the Model 59 always shot better than the HP.
When my brass got really beat up from reloading them so many times, the S&W Model 59 would have the occasional failure to extract, while the HP never did.
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Very nice find, other then the hammer I would leave it be.
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