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Old 02-01-2015, 10:52 PM
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Well the Super Bowl is nearing the end, and while it has been exciting I need some firearms in my life. Anyone out there have a precision or any type of long range rifle they want to show off? Bolt action, DMR, show me what you've got!

I just got a new to me Remington 700 Varmint SF (Stainless Fluted barrel) .308 Winchester, and mounted my Millett TRS-1 4-16x50 on tip. The scope had some sort of generic cantilever P.E.P.R. style mount attached to it when I purchased it, which was a disaster for my cheek weld on the factory Remington stock. So I just bought some Burris XTR low mounts (rifle has a 20 MOA picatinny rail), and they look great. Nice low clearance, but plenty for the flip-up lens covers to clear the barrel without any issues.

Now I just need Magpul to release the new Hunter 700 chassis and I'll be happy (until one of you posts a picture with the next gadget i HAVE to have ). Perhaps a bipod, but I'm not overly fond of them for bench shooting.

Let's see what you all have, I need ideas for this rifle!
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I feel out of place here. I only have one bolt gun, a Ruger American .308 compact. It's the rifle I use to get better at bolt gun shooting before I go out and buy a really nice bolt action rifle.
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JaPes- Do share pics if you have them! Any and all bolt guns are welcome here. I grew up hunting with a Savage 110 .270 Win, which I got very comfortable with but always preferred shooting my dad's Ruger Hawkeye Predator .308. So I finally pulled the trigger on this Rem 700, and have a lot of learning to do myself.

Be proud of that bolt gun sir!
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I think I paid $79 for the K31, $49 for the Ultralux 6x42 and $109 for the clamp on mount. With GP11 surplus it is capable of one hole accuracy at 100yd. Unfortunately as you can see from the pic, I am not capable of one hole accuracy. Oh well, 4 out of six shots will have to do. It was still under 1.5inch.



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The K31 is a straight-pull bolt, correct? What a neat rifle, nice looking group too! I have a Steyr M1895 that an old neighbor gave me in exchange for my help splitting his wood for the winter. I have yet to shoot it though!
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Sporticus; Is your 1895 in 8 x50 Austrian, 8x56 Hungarian or on that was converted to 8x57 Mauser. The first 2 require an "End Block" stripper clip that holds the 5 rounds in the magazine. The 8x50 and 8x57 use .323 diameter projectiles. the 8x56 uses .330-.332 diameter.

Not quite sure what you mean by "Long Distance", my best friend use to play with 105 mm howitzers, they are good to go for about 15 miles. On the other end Police snipers, the FBI say the typical/average shot is 75 yards. I use to have a early Remington PPS in 308 and my #1 son still has one that is newer (It was an Ohio Highway Patrol, Rapid Response Team Rifle) The 3.5x10 power scopes That come on them have a 600 yard paralax. I replaced mine with a 4.5 x20 VX-III and would shoot it at 800 on Dad's farm. I got rid of it when I bought a Savage 10 BAS in 308. At just under 1500 rounds through it is more accurate that either of the 700's. I typically get 4" at 1000 with a Palma load (155 Sierra at 2900 fps). I have a Savage 110 BA in 338 Lapua. I haven't got this mastered yet, I can keep it in 3" at 500 Yards, But is gets away from me beyond 700 yards or so. Could be my ammo, but is more likely me. I have a 6x284 on a 700 action that holds 2" at 500, a 22BR on a 700 Action that holds 2.5 at 500, and a Cooper 21 in 223 that hols 1.5" at 500. At 200 we were shooting used 40S&W projectiles, My spotter could see the lead squirt out the back! But my pride and joy is a Savage 12 Target in 223 that holds 3" at 1035 yards. But the most fun I had with it was shooting M&M's at 200 yards (actually easier to do with a good 22!).

My friends like to "Plink" with 22's at 100 out to 300 yards. A good sporter will shoot 1/2" or better at a 100yards, We will take "Cheese-it" crackers and shoot them at 100, then hunt down the croumbs, first guy with only dust wins. Have fun. Ivan
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JP .223 my prairie dog gun shoots 5 shot under a 1/4" no recoil you can see bullet strikes and clean a hole of several dogs quickly
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Here are a few of my precision rifles, all capable of between 1/3 MOA and 3/4 MOA. Love shooting them out to 600 yards at Fort Meade, MD where I've been a club member since 1980.

Custom Model 700 in 30'06


Custom Model 700 made to shoot 7.5mm Swiss GP11 ammo.


1976 Winchester Model 70 Palma rifle. Never fired but will be soon.


Model 1917 30'06 Match rifle by Miltech. Less than 1/2 MOA at 300 yards. Blew me away.

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I got a few; various types.
Here's my Remington R-25 .308, it has a Meopta 3-10x50mm scope on it and is very accurate, as this coyote could attest to if he could still talk.

Here's one of a different breed - Sharps replica .40-65 with 30" heavy octagon barrel, long-range vernier sights. Shoots 400 gr. Postel-type bullets and is very accurate as well.

One more: Remington .223 Tactical. As pictured it had a Nikon 4.5-14x on it in the original Hogue overmolded stock; at present it sits in a Remington factory laminated wood stock and wears a Leupold VX III 6.5-20x 30mm tube scope. It's ragged-hole accurate with the loads it likes best; seems to prefer lighter bullets, 40-grain Barnes HPs in particular. One really nice characteristic of this rifle is that it isn't sensitive to barrel heat. Almost seems like the warmer it gets the better it shoots.

Thanks for looking at my toys. Fun thread.
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A friend got me started on long range a few years ago.. Like all forms of shooting ,, it is fun and interesting..
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Swedish CG 63 in 6.5X55, built in 1965 by Carl Gustafs using an 1895 Mauser Oberndorf m94 receiver. Oldest receiver known and an m.o.a. buster indeed.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdb9I-AoAw

I just made this youtube video yesterday. I don't shoot at long range because my local range is only 100 yards long. I no longer reload so my ammo is limited to factory rounds. All of my rifles are stock (unmodified). I only shoot rifles one or two times a year but once they are sighted-in they seem to do well year after year.

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Sporticus; Is your 1895 in 8 x50 Austrian, 8x56 Hungarian or on that was converted to 8x57 Mauser. The first 2 require an "End Block" stripper clip that holds the 5 rounds in the magazine. The 8x50 and 8x57 use .323 diameter projectiles. the 8x56 uses .330-.332 diameter.
Ivan: Mine is 8x56R, and is the LONG rifle as opposed to the carbine. I believe the rifle is over 50" long, but definitely correct me if I'm wrong. I'd post a picture but it is in a safe at my parents house. One of these days I will have to go through it and put a couple rounds down the pipe.

I have another contribution, but it isn't a centerfire rifle nor is it capable of real long range shooting. However, it is precise. I used to be on a Biathlon team, and used this Izhmash Biathlon 7-4 in many races. I haven't raced in a couple of years, but I have been shooting the rifle. I removed the sling strap and shoulder straps, but left the rest of it as it was set up for racing. The peep sight is absurdly small and the trigger is a brisk 10 oz. pull, which leads to some very tight groups at 50 yards (quickly, I might add. That fortner style action is quick and your eyes never leave the target). 100 yards is very doable as well, but the little .22 lr limits the capabilities somewhat after that. Since I don't see myself getting back into Biathlon anytime soon, I've been toying with the idea of removing the peep sight and front sight and throwing a scope on it. It would look great, and be a little more practical as a target rifle. Thoughts?





This next photo is NOT MINE, but illustrates the direction I'd like to take this rifle in the future. Man this looks nice


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Sporticus; That is the same model ,nation and length I have. I have younger friends that shoot the Anshutz version in Biathlon. My experience is get some warm weather ammo, and zero that puppy at 200 yards. I have a couple of lots of Eley Team and Club Extra (both use the EPS bullet. With my scoped Ans. 1903 prone rifle, off a rest I would shoot 12 gauge shells in the primer at 200. Not every shot, but 7 or 8 out of 10. Another good 22 target is take a block of 2x4 about 16" long and drill 1/8" holes 1/2" deep evenly spaced. Stick "Strike Anywhere" kitchen matches in the holes. At 50 yards light the matches! Then put them out! When that gets boring increase the distance.

Due to some health issues (read that bills), I sold all my target 22's except an old Ans, 2000 for my 4 (so far) grandsons to start on. I still have some very good sporter 22's, but almost all my shooting is long range Center Fire now (and Sporting Clays and I want to get back into SASS) One of my sporters is a Anschultz/Weatherby Mark XXII bolt action. With good ammo, it will do whatever I want at a 100 or less.

When you really get into Long Range Center Fire: You must have very good rings and bases (20 MOA) and the scopes cost more that a good gun! Leopold quality is the minimum! The two Savage BA's have Night Force 56mm objective and the Savage 12 Target has a obscure Leopold 30mm tube scope with a 45mm objective. For 1000 yards 20 to 25 power is plenty if it is clear glass! One of the Night Force scopes is 8x32 BR, but I stick with 22power!

In 308, Sierra 168 bullets are fine out to 800 yards or so, but for on out I use 155 Palma, and friends use 175 and 185 bullets. The 168's have a problem transitioning through the sound barrier. I started out with 165 A-Max. They worked fine, but I couldn't get a study supply of them and went with Sierra. I keep a one to two year supply of all my components on the shelf (a year is 500 rounds of 308 for me). Figure out what you like first! I am on the same 300 brass I started with 7 years ago (Hornady Match) but have a few hundred Lapua on the shelf. I will order my 2016 supplies this month, if it takes 6 or 8 months to fill it won't matter to me. Try and buy the same lot on your components, Powder is the hardest to get multiple bottles of the same lot #. I buy a 8 pound jug of Varget every year and load my 308's and 75 grain 223's from the same jug. 4064 is the most common powder for 308, but I've had 3 guns in a row that didn't like it, One of the 308 shooters I know uses it, we alternate beating each other. Hope all this helps you enjoy our sport. PM my if you need anything in the future. Ivan
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What do you guys consider long range? I have a Ruger 77 in .220 Swift topped with a 6x20 Leupold. I've fired it at 300 yds before, but I'm sure it can perform pretty well at longer ranges than that.

I actually prefer open-sights on rifles, and rarely shoot over 100 yds. Shorter walk to change the target!

I do like looking at all the toys, though.
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I guess I don't have a definitive answer to the questions about what I consider long range. Really what I mean is any rifle meant for precision shots for both target and hunting applications. I grew up hunting with the same rifle I use to this day, a Savage 110 in .270 Win. While I am comfortable with my ability to shoot that rifle well out to 300 yards, I wouldn't call it a precision rifle simply because it has cheap optics, a (likely worn down) sporter barrel, and has been put through some serious abuse out in the woods after all these years. Man I do love that old .270 though
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What most shooters at distance use is the following:
0-200 short range
200-600 mid range
over 600 is long range

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6.5 x 47 Lapua. Defiance action with integral +20 MOA rail. 28" Hart barrel, 1 in 8". Mc Millan stock, Atlas bipod. Surgeon bottom metal, Jewell 8 ounce trigger . 5-25X NF scope in NF rings.



.308 win. Blueprinted Rem 700 LA, Mc Millan stock. Surgeon DBM, Timney 1# trigger. Sporting a 40+ yr old, 40XB Palma Match, 1 in 12" barrel. 5.5-22X NF scope, rings, +20 MOA base.

Both used for local, unofficial steel and paper matches. We shoot every Wednesday during the summer at steel from 600-1260 yds.



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Mine.

20141202_115642 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr

This 30rd group with the AR is with lowly Bosnian green tip.


It has a 3lb single stage trigger and a free float tube under the handguards.

The 7.62x54r PSL is a bit of an odd choice for a long range rifle but it is relatively accurate with match ammunition, shooting just under to just over 1moa with barrel temps kept reasonable. Once the barrel heats up and/or with ball ammo it's a 2-3moa AK. It is very comfortable to shoot and a lot of fun. At 9.5 lbs with optic it's reasonably light and balances nicely.

The first few shots are always nice clusters:


The next couple stay respectable:


Ten shots or more in rapid succession are never something to brag about...


For its purpose of a few well placed shots at a time it is ideal. It shoots soft enough even the wife likes shooting it.
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Here you go.

I have always been more of a pistol competitor but have shot competition rifle for almost forty years.


Chandler Urban Model in .308


Colt H-Bar Tuned Service Rifle



Barnard .308 Palma Rifle with Mastin offset stock.

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LMT MWS .260 w/ US Optics SN3 3.2-17x44mm Mil/Mil GAP Ret. Badger Ord rings.



Rem 700 LTR LH w/ US Optics ST10 Left Handed Mil/Mil GAP Ret. Seekins rings, Badger Ord. rail mount

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Several years ago I strayed down the 'precision rifle' path, and it can be an expensive path indeed. This is my latest and favorite build. It was built by Scout Supply Company using a new Remington 700 action in .223 Remington. Broughton 1-8" twist barrel cut and threaded at 16.5". Manners T5A stock, Timney straight trigger, Vortex scope and rings. It loves 80gr Sierra Match Kings and Varget.


This is my first build. Remington 700 in .308 Win, action trued, barrel was set back and rechambered, then cut and threaded at 18". McRees Precision folding chassis, Timney straight trigger, Vortex scope and rings.

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Not really long range and not really precision, but at 200 yards shoots sub-MOA. Lots of fuzzy critters learned not to like it much.

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This is my out-of-the-box Kimber 82G, which I bought from the CMP at Camp Perry, Ohio. It's one of the most accurate rifles I've ever fired.


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My .45-70 Shilohs, which are a great copy of the old reliable early long range rifles.

With 65 grains of blackpowder pushing a 510 grain slug they shoot way better than I can complete take advantage of properly.

I waited five years and one week for the rifle on the bottom.


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The project one :

I had a bit of birthday cash one year and not being much of an AR guy
I picked up a stripped lower and didn't really know just what to do with it.
Then I decided may as well have my son build his own first rifle.
Didn't have any cash so I sold an old sled/snowmobile and a k 22 to raise the money for the job. I Picked up a Rock River LPK with the 2 stage NM trigger cheap off gun broker. Next I wanted to do it in 204 Ruger as I already shoot and load for that cartridge. I didn't realize how expensive those uppers would be. Thankfully I lucked into a DPMS upper on guns America and voila we had the makings of his gun.

He is a bit of a ham at times







Now the precision part that I wasn't really expecting.
4 shots Only 50 yards but it was it's first ever group on paper.

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Sporticus; Is your 1895 in 8 x50 Austrian, 8x56 Hungarian or on that was converted to 8x57 Mauser. The first 2 require an "End Block" stripper clip that holds the 5 rounds in the magazine. The 8x50 and 8x57 use .323 diameter projectiles. the 8x56 uses .330-.332 diameter.

Not quite sure what you mean by "Long Distance", my best friend use to play with 105 mm howitzers, they are good to go for about 15 miles. On the other end Police snipers, the FBI say the typical/average shot is 75 yards. I use to have a early Remington PPS in 308 and my #1 son still has one that is newer (It was an Ohio Highway Patrol, Rapid Response Team Rifle) The 3.5x10 power scopes That come on them have a 600 yard paralax. I replaced mine with a 4.5 x20 VX-III and would shoot it at 800 on Dad's farm. I got rid of it when I bought a Savage 10 BAS in 308. At just under 1500 rounds through it is more accurate that either of the 700's. I typically get 4" at 1000 with a Palma load (155 Sierra at 2900 fps). I have a Savage 110 BA in 338 Lapua. I haven't got this mastered yet, I can keep it in 3" at 500 Yards, But is gets away from me beyond 700 yards or so. Could be my ammo, but is more likely me. I have a 6x284 on a 700 action that holds 2" at 500, a 22BR on a 700 Action that holds 2.5 at 500, and a Cooper 21 in 223 that hols 1.5" at 500. At 200 we were shooting used 40S&W projectiles, My spotter could see the lead squirt out the back! But my pride and joy is a Savage 12 Target in 223 that holds 3" at 1035 yards. But the most fun I had with it was shooting M&M's at 200 yards (actually easier to do with a good 22!).

My friends like to "Plink" with 22's at 100 out to 300 yards. A good sporter will shoot 1/2" or better at a 100yards, We will take "Cheese-it" crackers and shoot them at 100, then hunt down the croumbs, first guy with only dust wins. Have fun. Ivan

THAT'S SOME GREAT SHOOTING, IVAN. WERE YOU TRAINED AS A SNIPER IN THE MILITARY OR SELF TAUGHT ? ? ? I HAVE DROOLED OVER THE SAVAGE 110/112 RIFLES FOR YEARS, BUT NEVER BOUGHT ONE. A LONG HUNTING SHOT UP HERE IN NEW ENGLAND'S THICK WOODS IS 100 YARDS. LARGE GAME ANIMALS UP HERE CAN BE TAKEN WITH LEVER GUN CARTRIDGES--30-30, 35 REM, OR 45-70 GOVT. (I OWNED MARLINS IN ALL 3 CALIBERS, ALSO IN .22LR AND .22WRM) THE LONGEST RANGE I HAVE ACCESS TO IS 300 YARDS' AND I ALREADY OWNED A BUSHMASTER VARMINTER IN .223, AND A SPRINGFIELD M1A IN .308 THAT WOULD SHOOT TIGHT GROUPS OUT TO THAT DISTANCE. SO, I JUST COULD NOT JUSTIFY THE SAVAGE…..

WHERE DO YOU SHOOT THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOOT OVER A THOUSAND YARDS ON A RANGE ? ? ? YOU ARE ONE LUCKY GUY. BEST WISHES, AND STAY SAFE…………...





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I sold this a few years back but this thing was a tack driver. Savage model 10 FCP HS Precision short action .308w.


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Rem 700 SPS Tactical in .308. Bell Carlson stock, Timney 3# trigger. Five round mag set up. Redfield scope.

Rem 700 ADL in .270. NIkon scope. 3# trigger.



M1A with another Redfield.


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Remington 700 in .308. The receiver is about all that's still Remington. Jewel trigger, Lothar Walther barrel, McMillan stock, HS Precision detachable magazine, Nightforce glass and rail. Getting the belt to feed took some tweaking, but sure makes follow up shots fast.
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Not a true precision firearm but Large Marge will keep their heads down a long ways off.

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I've taken this one out to 400yds. using 69gn. BTHP's which isn't exactly "long range" but, she'll do.
CZ527 Varmint .223


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ANY CHINOOK DOOR GUNNER IS A BROTHER OF MINE---WELCOME HOME ! ! ! THAT'S A GREAT PAIR OF RIFLES, IN MY FAVORITE BOLT GUN CALIBERS. I NEVER SHOT A CZ, BUT I ONLY HEAR GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM. I'VE BEEN DROOLING OVER THE SAVAGE 110/112s WITH THE ACCU TRIGGERS FOR YEARS, BUT JUST COULDN'T JUSTIFY ANOTHER RIFLE. I BETCHA THEY ARE BOTH TACK DRIVERS……...
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ANY CHINOOK DOOR GUNNER IS A BROTHER OF MINE---WELCOME HOME ! ! ! THAT'S A GREAT PAIR OF RIFLES, IN MY FAVORITE BOLT GUN CALIBERS. I NEVER SHOT A CZ, BUT I ONLY HEAR GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM. I'VE BEEN DROOLING OVER THE SAVAGE 110/112s WITH THE ACCU TRIGGERS FOR YEARS, BUT JUST COULDN'T JUSTIFY ANOTHER RIFLE. I BETCHA THEY ARE BOTH TACK DRIVERS……...
Thank you sir & welcome home yourself.
All my CZ's are great shooters (.22's, .17HMR, & .223). Next one will be the CZ550 Varmint in .22-250.
The Savage has been a good rifle pretty much out of the box except replacing the Tupperware stock with the B&C Varmint, with the aluminum bedding block.

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Would 300yds with subsonic .22lr be considered long range?

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Just came in from the range, I shoot rifles weekly with a crew, we shoot everything from 22's to 50 BMG's...today was 50BMG day....range 1000 yds....single digit temps with a 12-15mph 12 o'clock wind....photo's from left to right:
*McMillan Tac-50 broke down in case - this rifle has a 30 MOA base, a Nightforce 8-32X56 scope & Jewell trigger.
* McMillan Tac-50 assembled ( my rifle) I ordered this package specifically for 1000yd plus ranges.
* 308 vs 50 BMG 750 gr Amax comparison
* McMillan 50 ( shooting partner's) conventional stock/Nightforce optics
* Sending a 750 gr Amax downrange
These rifles are sub MOA rifles ( provided we do our part of course) out to & beyond 1000 yds....I have shot mine in excess of 1800 yds.
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Here are two of mine. I'll get the others up later.

R&D Precision .308 win
U.S. Optics SN-3 3.2-17x44mm GAP MIL Scale Reticle with MIL/MIL adjustment knobs
Manners stock pillar & glass bedded
Rock MTU contour barrel with deep flutes, 1/11.25" twist, 24" from the recoil lug
R&D Precision DBM bottom metal (accepts AICS magazines)
Jewell trigger
Seekins rings
Badger Ordnance 20 moa base
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Wells Rifle Shop .243 win (rifle is throated for use with 105 gr - 115 gr match bullets)
Leupold MKIV 4.5-14x40mm
McMillan M40 stock pillar & glass bedded
Kreiger barrel, Remington Varmint contour, 1/8" twist, 24" from the recoil lug
Badger Ordnance DBM bottom metal with R&D Precision mag release lever (accepts AICS magazines)
Shilen trigger
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We can't use rifles where I live for hunting so, other than a bunch of pistol caliber lever actions, I've never had anything other than .22's.

Two years ago, though, I bought a Reminton 700 LTR .308 and equipped it with Badger 20 moa mount, rings and a Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 scope.

All I can say is wow; talk about picking off quarters at 200 yards...
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I installed the Bushnell scopes with the bdc option on all my scoped hunting rifles. They have the bullet drop compisation adjustable top turret out to 500yds with no errors.

My 1907 Swedish Carl Gustaf m96 6.5mm mauser with its 29" barrel using new sellier & bellot 131gr ammo will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 100yds. No scope. I impressed some SWAT guys shooting near me at the range. They seen my target and were in shock I didn't have a scope plus she's a 100+ year old gal. Shooting my 30-06 & 338wm makes shooting the Swede mauser feel much easier to shoot. I can put two rounds of 338wm through the same hole @ 100yds. While the '06 will shoot nickel sized groups @ 100yds.
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