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Show us your Anschutz 22 LR

Nessmuck

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Been looking at the 1710 Anschutz ....ammo is so expensive,Iam thinking of tack driving 22 rim fire/ bench,sporting gun. A friend of mine has built a couple bench rest 22 LR and is shooting 200 yards. All the parts for the build is 2300.00.. The receiver alone is 1200.00. Decisions..Decisions....Any of you folks shooting Long range 22's ?? Thanks ..posts some pics too.
 
I had a Anschutz 1903 prone rifle from the late 80's or early 90's. They still make that rifle but the stock has changed several times. As to shooting, First there is no cheep ammo any more, only ammo that shoots like cheep ammo! I was lucky my 1903 shot well with Eley Club extra (now discontinued) and Team. Both used the EPS bullet. I had two scopes set up for my rifle, a Bushnell 3200 20x and a Leopold 36x. with the 36x I was zeroed for 200 yards, using the Club Extra, of a benchrest I could hit a 12 gauge shell in the primer 7 or 8 out of 10 times (on a very good day!) A friend of mine sitting next to me had a Kimber 82G that was worked over by a Special Forces armorer (the guy next to me!). He always seemed to beat me by one hit every round. He also had 4 Anshultz rifles, some 64 actions and some 54 actions and they always shot better than the Kimber 82G's (we had 82G's from the same batch, His was #2, mine was #4 and other friends have 1, 3, &5). For shooting Standard Velocity Target 22 you need about 36 MOA of elevation for 200 yards. If you distance is off by 10 yards you can easily not be on the paper. So when you get invited to some range check the distance with a laser if possible (if it is off, keep it to yourself!) At those distances a small puff of wind really moves your bullet, so keep an eye on the wind flags. The only target I played with an Anshultz and their iron sights is an old model 2000 at 50 yards. I was amazed at the consistent 1 hole groups until the wind made the groups into perfect horizontal lines. (same ammo as above).

I heard there is a container of Anshultz rifle waiting to clear customs now. and a shipment of Lapua ammo due in port any day now (plus 2 weeks to 2 months for customs), Norma, S-K/Wolf, and RWS are already in country and nobody knows about Eley for this season. Avoid Remington & Aguila and any high velocity ammo (they just don't have the consistency for distance!). Have fun and keep us posted on how you do. Ivan
 
This gun my friend built ...shoots 2" groups @ 200 yards....and one hole groups at 100 yards. No reloading needed !!! That's the good part !! 10.00 for 50 shots is doable ..
 
I find benchrest shooting boring but have some Anschütz rifles.

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I only have two Anschutz rifles....one purchased from Lones Wigger Jr. and one purchased from his father.

My 1813 was purchased from Jr. and is serial number 001 with an AMTU barrel on it and I am currently using an old Weaver T-16 with a dot reticule in it....fits very nicely in the X ring!

I still shoot it in NRA 3/4 position matches and used it to win the 2009 Outdoor Prone match here in Montana and at least 5 Gold medals in USA Shooting Regional outdoor championships.

This rifle shoots extremely well with the better ammo like Tenex, Black Box, R50, but it REALLY likes the old Russian Rifle or Pistol Temp!! Shoots it as well or better than Eley Tenex in this rifle. Wish I could find another case of Temp or even better Olymp!

My 54 MS was purchased from Lones Wigger Sr. and is also a tack driver. At 100 meters it will routinely shoot 1/2 to 5/8ths groups on a ten shot string. When I do my part I can shoot 38-39/40....seem to aways leave at least one turkey out there....use another Weaver T16 on this rifle as well.

Most Anschutz are finicky about ammo....however when you find what they like ...WOW!

If there were any BR22 matches in the area I would have NO qualms about using either rifle and know it would perform well.

My other serious prone rifle is a Winchester 52D that I had fitted into an Anschutz Prone stock....actually out shoots my Anschutz.....not by much mind you but still out performs it....AND is not very finicky about what ammo I use. On a calm day it will deliver a 10 shot string that is about the size of a .40 cal. bullet at 100 meters.

Yes, they are expensive...however they DO deliver world class accuracy...look what wins in the Olympics more times than any other rifle.....it is Anschutz.

Randy
 
I had two Anschutz, a 1407 ISU Match 54, and a Mod 64 Sporter, both mid 70's vintage "Savage"Anschutz. I recently mailed the 1407 out to my son in WA for teaching my Grandson the finer points of shooting. Either one will cut cloverleafs at 100 yds.
 
Both of these are old school Savage Anschutz .22 rifles, but I purchased them used in the last 10 years or so. The top one is the
Savage Anschutz model 164 Sporter with Leupold scope and the bottom is a Savage Anschutz 64 Match.
 
My sister and I have our 1407 ISU rifles still and that is for over 40years. I recently picked up one for the Grandkids at a pawn shop for less then $200 that is like a chipmunk but much more pleasing to soot. Mine liked anything Eley and the Winchester in the yellow box mark II or was that mark III? Need to put a scope o mine as it is still shooting better then I can see...Kyle
 
I have a 64 Match Anschutz that I dropped into a Master Class 1300 prone stock, mostly to get an adjustable comb and butt stock as the standard 64 Match stock does not fit me well.

It does very well at 50 yards and will shoot a clean score on an A-23-5 target, but it is no where near the best shooting .22 LR rifle I have at 100, 200 or 250 yards. It's actually a bit disappointing averaging 5 shot groups around 1.5" at 100 yards:

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The least expensive good shooting .22LR I have is a Zastava CZ 99 Precision. The factory stocks as imported by CAI are not well finished, but Remington imported it for several years as the Model 5 with a laminated stock, and they are very nice, very stable stocks if you can find one. This rifle will consistently shoot 5 shot groups around 1.5" at 100 yards - which is very good for a $200 rifle. The CZ 99 Precision has a very heavy walled, stiff receiver, and if I were going to build a heavy bench gun, I'd be tempted to start with it:

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I have a CZ 453 Varmint that will consistently shoot 5 shot groups under 1.25" at 100 yards. I'd call that good, except my CZ 453 American shoots better. I did win the CZ wood lottery with it though, as most of them are pretty plain looking. This was one of the first 453 Varmints imported but got returned as it would not shoot, and then sat in the dealer's back room for several years: I bought it, noted the front and rear screws were reversed, switched them and found it shot fine.

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My CZ 453 American will consistently outshoot my Varmint (as well as every other .22 LR I own). It is a consistent 1.0 MOA shooter on a calm day at 100 yards, and it's my preferred .22LR for 200 and 250 yard plate shooting:

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I have a pair of Winchester Model 52R sporters, and they are all in all, the nicest .22LR sporters I own, with very good accuracy, very nice adult proportions and a very high level of finish for a production .22 Sporter. This one with nicely striped wood. It is also a very consistent shooter that will keep 5 shots inside 1.25" at 100 yards.

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My other Model 52R is not as consistent nor as pretty, but the groups it achieves on the right side of the bell curve are impressive. It gives me .5 MOA groups at 100 yards on a regular basis. The problem is the 1.5 MOA groups it also throws in between the good groups. Still, it's also a favorite at 200 and 250 yards.

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I have a Remington 541S and it's probably the most disappointing .22LR I have because it should shoot better than it does. It's right in there with my Anschutz, averaging about 1.5" at 100 yards. The plastic magazines are also disappointing. The 5 round magazine work much better than the 10 round magazines, but they are hard to find. The 10 rounders have a bad habit of coming apart just enough to puke out all 10 rounds, the follower and the spring.

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The moral here is that if you want an Annie, go big and get the 54 action. Then, be prepared to be beaten by a CZ 452, 453, or 455 at long range. They shoot extremely well - far better than they should for the money.

If it's consistency over 40, 80 or 160 rounds in a prone match, the ammo will matter more than the rifle, but all other things being equal the 54 will get a lot more Xs than a 64, and would probably score more Xs than a CZ in a suitable stock.

But for long range plate shooting off a bench, the CZ's do extremely well when properly scoped and set up.
 
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I only have two Anschutz rifles....one purchased from Lones Wigger Jr. and one purchased from his father.

My 1813 was purchased from Jr. and is serial number 001 with an AMTU barrel on it and I am currently using an old Weaver T-16 with a dot reticule in it....fits very nicely in the X ring!

I still shoot it in NRA 3/4 position matches and used it to win the 2009 Outdoor Prone match here in Montana and at least 5 Gold medals in USA Shooting Regional outdoor championships.

This rifle shoots extremely well with the better ammo like Tenex, Black Box, R50, but it REALLY likes the old Russian Rifle or Pistol Temp!! Shoots it as well or better than Eley Tenex in this rifle. Wish I could find another case of Temp or even better Olymp!

My 54 MS was purchased from Lones Wigger Sr. and is also a tack driver. At 100 meters it will routinely shoot 1/2 to 5/8ths groups on a ten shot string. When I do my part I can shoot 38-39/40....seem to aways leave at least one turkey out there....use another Weaver T16 on this rifle as well.

Most Anschutz are finicky about ammo....however when you find what they like ...WOW!

If there were any BR22 matches in the area I would have NO qualms about using either rifle and know it would perform well.

My other serious prone rifle is a Winchester 52D that I had fitted into an Anschutz Prone stock....actually out shoots my Anschutz.....not by much mind you but still out performs it....AND is not very finicky about what ammo I use. On a calm day it will deliver a 10 shot string that is about the size of a .40 cal. bullet at 100 meters.

Yes, they are expensive...however they DO deliver world class accuracy...look what wins in the Olympics more times than any other rifle.....it is Anschutz.

Randy
You're one lucky man. Lones Wigger,Jr. is a legend in smallbore shooting and Olympic circles. I was volunteering at the NRA store a few years ago at an NRA National Convention and he came in to buy something. When I was running the cash register, I said "Lones Wigger, it's quite an honor to see you..." He acted surprised that anyone would recognize him. He seemed to be a nice guy and modest. Owning that rifle is a privilege.
 
Can't argue with the 54 action comments... but this little 1416 D HB shoots like a laser!!

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Lones Wigger Jr. (Bill) is indeed a legend in the smallbore world. Shooting beside him is intimidating to say the least, but still fun.

Even more fun is to go out gopher shooting with him on the family ranch....it is no longer a case if you can hit them....it is now a case of how high can you make them go!! He shot a number of 10 and 12 footers with an Anschutz chambered for .222 Remington and made for him by Dieter Anschutz himself!!

His father, Lones Wigger Sr. was my mentor in many things in life and was a grand old gentleman as is his son Bill, his son Doug and daughter Sherrie...

I was so lucky to have shot on his smallbore team and to learn offhand from him.

You could post a 395/400 on the A-17 target in 4 position and still not make the team....yes, there were many incredible shooters out there near Carter Montana!! (First time I made the team I had to shoot a 397 and that was the LOW man on the team that night.)

The only target I ever kept was the first 100 in standing on the A-17 target that he scored, witnessed and dated for me by Lones Wigger Sr....what a thrill THAT was!!

Randy
 
Nice set of rifles!! You sir have excellent taste......

Too bad your 541 will not perform. I have a 541 that had a bulged barrel and a gunsmith friend of mine had a NIB barrel for a 513 that he fit onto the reciever...

MY oh MY what a shooter it became after that ,especially with standard velocity ammo. I am using an old Weaver T10 on that one...over a rest on a calm day it will consistently shoot around 3/4-7/8" at 100 meters...(that's where the rams are).

This 541 seems to really like the Wolf Match Extra when I cannot feed it some Eley. It also does well with the old CCI mini-group which I am now out of.

Randy







I have a 64 Match Anschutz that I dropped into a Master Class 1300 prone stock, mostly to get an adjustable comb and butt stock as the standard 64 Match stock does not fit me well.

It does very well at 50 yards and will shoot a clean score on an A-23-5 target, but it is no where near the best shooting .22 LR rifle I have at 100, 200 or 250 yards. It's actually a bit disappointing averaging 5 shot groups around 1.5" at 100 yards:

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The least expensive good shooting .22LR I have is a Zastava CZ 99 Precision. The factory stocks as imported by CAI are not well finished, but Remington imported it for several years as the Model 5 with a laminated stock, and they are very nice, very stable stocks if you can find one. This rifle will consistently shoot 5 shot groups around 1.5" at 100 yards - which is very good for a $200 rifle. The CZ 99 Precision has a very heavy walled, stiff receiver, and if I were going to build a heavy bench gun, I'd be tempted to start with it:

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I have a CZ 453 Varmint that will consistently shoot 5 shot groups under 1.25" at 100 yards. I'd call that good, except my CZ 453 American shoots better. I did win the CZ wood lottery with it though, as most of them are pretty plain looking. This was one of the first 453 Varmints imported but got returned as it would not shoot, and then sat in the dealer's back room for several years: I bought it, noted the front and rear screws were reversed, switched them and found it shot fine.

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My CZ 453 American will consistently outshoot my Varmint (as well as every other .22 LR I own). It is a consistent 1.0 MOA shooter on a calm day at 100 yards, and it's my preferred .22LR for 200 and 250 yard plate shooting:

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I have a pair of Winchester Model 52R sporters, and they are all in all, the nicest .22LR sporters I own, with very good accuracy, very nice adult proportions and a very high level of finish for a production .22 Sporter. This one with nicely striped wood. It is also a very consistent shooter that will keep 5 shots inside 1.25" at 100 yards.

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My other Model 52R is not as consistent nor as pretty, but the groups it achieves on the right side of the bell curve are impressive. It gives me .5 MOA groups at 100 yards on a regular basis. The problem is the 1.5 MOA groups it also throws in between the good groups. Still, it's also a favorite at 200 and 250 yards.

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I have a Remington 541S and it's probably the most disappointing .22LR I have because it should shoot better than it does. It's right in there with my Anschutz, averaging about 1.5" at 100 yards. The plastic magazines are also disappointing. The 5 round magazine work much better than the 10 round magazines, but they are hard to find. The 10 rounders have a bad habit of coming apart just enough to puke out all 10 rounds, the follower and the spring.

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The moral here is that if you want an Annie, go big and get the 54 action. Then, be prepared to be beaten by a CZ 452, 453, or 455 at long range. They shoot extremely well - far better than they should for the money.

If it's consistency over 40, 80 or 160 rounds in a prone match, the ammo will matter more than the rifle, but all other things being equal the 54 will get a lot more Xs than a 64, and would probably score more Xs than a CZ in a suitable stock.

But for long range plate shooting off a bench, the CZ's do extremely well when properly scoped and set up.
 

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