There are some features about the Glocks that really impress me. One is how easy they are taken down. It looks the way it SHOULD be rather than having to pry out pins. Besides the metal slide the rails on the frame are metal also, which I like. It seems to be a nearly perfect design. I think the ONLY problem I have with them is the shape. Too boxy. If they come out with a smoother shaped version I'd like them a lot better, maybe even enough to own one.

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Glocks are great tools, and that's how I view them. Tools to keep me alive. I have three. A 22,23 and 27, all in .40 S&W. If I drop one I don't care. They ain't pretty. I would be upset if I did that with one of my revolvers.
Plus, they go bang every time you pull the trigger. Assuming that is, they're loaded.
Jim

I like the take-down, too. I keep saying I'm going to get one, but something they don't make anymore always pops up, and it gets bumped down the "buy" list. Maybe when they quit making them, I'll be interested. In the meantime, I can scratch the itch with my ladyfriend's 19 and 42.

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I only have two quibbles with the Glock design.

Plastic factory sights.

Have to pull the trigger to take it down. No, I haven't had an ND but plenty of others have.

If you like a Glock, then you'll really like the Ruger SR series. I own both, and strongly prefer the grip ergonomics of the Ruger to the Glock.

I have my SR9 set up with the "flat" side of the grip backstrap facing outwards, and it feels almost as good in my hand as a 1911 (and that's the ultimate semi-auto pistol compliment, IMHO ).

I don't use the manual safety of the SR9 since it also has a "safe action" trigger like the Glock, but it's there if you like it. The SR9 also has a loaded chamber indicator which I've found useful when using the SR9 in training sessions for new shooters.

Anyway, not knocking the Glock family, but seriously, I think Ruger really improved on it.

Lou

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I have great respect for Gaston's brain child. It's the grip angle that mildly bothers me. Take the Ruger MKIII and 22/45 for example. Same basic gun with different grip angles. I can shoot them both but the 22/45 has the more natural hand/eye alignment to me.

Perhaps one day they will offer a different grip model.
Either way, they have forever changed the manufacturing landscape.

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Rented a G23 today when I went to the range to shoot my SD9VE. I'm planning on picking up a .40S&W of some sort and have thought it might either be the SD40VE or a Glock 23.

Had no trouble going back and forth between the two. As much as I like my SD, and how much sense it would make to have its twin in .40S&W, the G23 might just be the frontrunner when it's time to make a decision.

The grip angle is a fairly consistent complaint about Glocks although it doesn't bother me. What does bother me is that in rapid fire, the trigger tends to slap the trigger finger and that can get painful after a while.

For years, Glock has had a 60% share or so of the law enforcement market. It's evidence that they work just fine for what they're intended for. I own a G19 and a G34, having sold my G26 as it was redundant for me.

Two other positive things about Glocks:

1) LOTS of aftermarket support (cheap mags, sight options, holsters, etc.)
2) They're very easy to work on (This idiot was able to install a lighter trigger pull by popping out 3 pins and switching some springs).

OP you sir are easily impressed IMO.


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I love my Gen 4 19. Glock's design is functional nirvana. Well, cept for the grip.

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Glocks are supposed to be easy to shoot, easy to clean, easy to fix, easy to replace because they're inexpensive, and easy to not fall in love with because they're ugly and made from plastic. Ick....

They work.

I won't own one but that doesn't mean I don't think they'll fail to do the job they are intended for. I just happen to (1) dislike plastic (okay, polymer) pistols (I do have one and it's way better than a Glock because of reason number 2) and (2) I dislike their triggers, etc. I'll take traditional double action every time.

That doesn't diminish the incredibly good record of Glocks in the hands of police forces all over the Americas, among other places. In Latin America they are simply called la pistola negro - the black pistol, and they are much admired and used. Completely reliable and low cost, low maintenance, etc.

Just like an AK-47. I won't own one of those, either, but millions of folks love them and they are the rifle of choice for all of our enemies and have been for generations.

Two excellent machines that I happen to not like but that's totally personal and is in the YMMV category for sure.

and I want a handgun that I am absolutely, positively convinced will fire and feed perfectly I go for my Glock 19....Glocks are not a good choice, IMHO, for new shooters though because they lack a manual safety. The local Po-Po shootists manage to shoot themselves in the butt about once a month with their .40 Glocks while reholstering them (with their finger on the trigger, of course).

Bought my first Glock in 1991 and have had at least one ever since. Being a lefty I got on with the no safety quickly and they fit me just fine. 20 something years on I love my all metal Smith revolvers and 1911's, but when I leave the house carrying there's a Glock 26 with F.O. sights in a OWB holster. 10 rounds in a small gun I shoot very well and know will go bang.

I am still trying to get my Glock 26 trigger as sweet as my M&P 9 with APEX FSS. I just ordered a adjustable trigger that should remove a bunch of the pretravel since I have already done a polish, springs and connector. Glocks are a heck of a lot easier to work on than a M&P. Love them both.

I hear you loud and clear. That said, I replace all my Glock sights with night sights. On your second point, I'll say that takedowm of many of my non-Glock pistols requires depressing the trigger. NDs are the result of failure to observe firearms safety protocols for such pistols.


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I had a G27 that I liked just fine, slightly heavy trigger.... and a G22 that a an absolutely wretched trigger. The G22 I got used, so I'm sure there was something I could have done to fix the trigger.

The G22 didn't last long, it just didn't do it for me.

The G27 I ended up getting rid of because it really wasn't the most comfortable (the grip) and got heavy carrying IWB.

They just don't really interest me. My gripes are the grip and the trigger.

I COULD live with one after a trigger job, but considering I like the feel of the M&P in my hand better and (post trigger work) mine has the sweeeetest trigger of any gun own, I'd sooner get another M&P and do trigger work.

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pros. reliable, wealth of aftermarkets, reasonably pried/reasonably priced peripherals

cons, ergos are awful, trigger is worse, sights are chintzy, pignose.

if you like them, use them.

only reason I'm buying another one, is there is no m&p in 10mm, and finding a 1006 is like finding a very expensive virgin in Las Vegas.

I've owned several Glock pistols one downside that keeps me from keeping them is the finger grooves on the grip(maybe i should buy a gen 2 model). That and factory "upgrades" instead of issuing a recall when there is a problem.

Took me a lot of years to warm up to them at all. Even when one of the shooters I respect the most was extolling the virtues of Glocks, I remained skeptical and true to my personal preference that a real handgun should be made of blued steel and have a wooden grip.

They wore me down tho, and when I found myself issued a G19, I had no choice but to live with it as a carry gun. After a long time, and a lot of shooting, I grew to respect it, and have a lot of confidence in it.

18 years on, I still carry one daily. It's still ugly, but it's a darn good tool.

No problem with them, just like the M&P platform much better.

I can take any or all of my Glocks to Smyrna, and they will fix or replace anything wrong with the gun for free. Just show up and wait a little while. It's a great service. Installed night sights are around 60 bucks. They either replace worn magazines outright, or put new parts in them. If I don't like the trigger, I just ask them to put in a different connector. Again, it's free. For me there is not really a single gripe I have with the Glocks. I love my very small collection of Smith and Wessons, but I can love Glocks too.

Show your friends your 1911's & Smith Revos and show your enemies your Glocks. Smile and wait for the flash.

Since August of last year I have purchased 4 glocks never had one before. I disposed of all my S&W auto loaders. Then I purchased 2 CZ 75's.

If I could combine the glocks simplicity, and light weight with the Cz sa/da hammer system (and the safety it provides) ergonomics, and accuracy, I would have the perfect pistol.

I really like my glocks, but I love my CZ's.

I have a Glock 26 Gen 4. But, I have a pair of Shields in 9mm.
I've fired several hundred rounds through the three of them out
on my desert. All are reliable and accurate. I think of the Glock
as the AK47 of pistols__ugly, rough and shoots every time.
With my Glock and my Shields laid out when cleaning them, the
Shields are gorgeous.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
-- George Orwell

I prefer Springfield XD to Gock. My only Glock is in 10mm. 10rds of 200gr @1250 fps w/ a 15rd reload is tough to argue with

Lots of people haven't seen the light...yet. But a Glock will do it, all day, any day, everyday and be ready for the next time you need one gun that works.

Glock 19 was my first pistol and I love shooting it and the ease of taking it down for cleaning. I followed that purchase with a S&W Shield 9mm, a 642 and this month, a 1911. I shot all today and enjoyed each of them. I did not enjoy taking down the 1911 and having the recoil spring shoot all over the garage while I was trying to get it back in with the "special tool." My fingers are sore from the process. The G19, a piece of cake as usual. I've got to say I like my Glock--ugly or not!

I own several different pistols I like to shoot on the range. I appreciate all their differences and quirks. I shoot my range guns and tend to be obsessive about keeping them in LNIB condition.

Glocks? I view them as tools rather than prized possessions. The Glock's minimal parts count and straightforward design are what make Glock pistols to hell and back reliable. I know a Glock will always work. When I carry a double stack pistol, it's either a Glock 19 Gen4 or a Glock 29SF.

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These two protect me and mine just fine.

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I've only owned two Glocks, both second generation and both bought used: a 19 and a 22. I liked and trusted them both, though both are long gone. I appreciated their simplicity and superb dependability.

If I had the money I'd buy a 19 again.

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Well, I'm going to be looking at Rugers. Tough thing is that I haven't seen nearly as many around town as other makes. Mostly Mark IIIs

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I like the Ruger SR series too. Until I dry fired one.

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My first centerfire auto was a Sigma .40. Biggest *** I could have purchased, but S&W was giving them away for under $300 at the time. I don't think it could have printed 2 rounds in the same spot at 2 yds shot from a vice, because I know it couldnt at 5...(some of you earlier model Sigma owners know what I'm saying, its OK to not speak up). Sold it to a buddy at cost.... After buying a G23.

The G23 showed me that I could actually shoot a decent pattern, and my earlier inaccuracy wasn't me. Its not a pretty gun, but its not meant to be a showpiece.

While looking for something smaller and more concealable, I passed over the G27 in favor of the Shield .40. It was slightly smaller, and the grip fit my hand better than the Glock.

I no longer own one, but the G19 IMO is the best 9mm pistol to be had for the purpose it is intended. I switched up to .40 and sold the G19. Now I wish I would have kept that gen 2 19. Loaded up with 16 rounds of +p+ Federal Hydra-Shok ammo it had nearly .357 magnum velocity. I never felt under-gunned with that pistol even though I subscribed to the big bullet-moderate-velocity theory.

Considering getting another G19, but there are rumors of a single stack Glock 9mm pistol. While that would compete with their G26, Glock did not let the fact that the G36 trumped their own G30 stop them from producing a single stack .45. Same scenario, different caliber. If they do release a single stack 9mm, I won't be able to get my wallet out fast enough. In the meanwhile, considering getting a 9mm drop-in barrel to use on one of my G23's.

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The first time I saw a Glock was in a local shop in the 80s after the G17 had just come on the market. A friend and fellow officer and I examined it. We agreed that it was pretty goofy with the plastic, dull finish, no visible hammer and plastic magazine. The trigger felt awful and the little sub-trigger seemed weird...We were ok'd to dry fire it. When it went "sprong" as the trigger broke, we both stated laughing. Our opinion was it was a strange, cheap looking and feeling oddity...the disposable, foam cup of pistols...NOBODY would want that thing, right?

Well, I guess I got that wrong. I have had most every type of Glock made. I bought the first one, a G23, in 1989 mainly because it was a platform for the hot new cartridge, .40 S&W. I am a inveterate gun trader and the Glocks came and went because I knew I could always get another just like it. I never developed any emotional attachment to them and I still don't. They are a tool. I tried a M&P 9 and it felt good but the trigger was worse than the Glock...So, ironically enough I am back to one Glock, a 23...The one pistol combined with a 9mm and .357 Sig Barrel, becomes a G23/19/32...I put a smooth trigger, extended slide catch and TFO tritium sights on it. It's a Gen4 and feels good in the hand. It's accurate, concealable, comfortable to shoot and 100% reliable and is durable in the salty air environment where I live...Its a good tool.

viceunit....G23 with a 9mm conversion barrel and a Advantage Arms 22 conversion....doesn't get much better....oh yeah...drop in .375 Sig barrel for tha Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah

I did the 4 day defensive handgun class at Front Sight. 39 semi-autos of all flavors and my S&W Model 66-1 2.5". Half were Glocks. I watched Colts, Springfields, Kimbers, Berettas and every other brand auto jammer fail and have to be taken to the armorer at some point during the week. Not once did one Glock fail - not once. Of course neither did my M66-1, so Glocks and a S&W ruled that week at Front Sight.

I still don't own one, probably never will, but that made a big impression on me, that plastic-fantastic pistol will function - over and over again (about 1000 rounds in the 4 days) - it is the timex watch of firearms. Those timex's can be pretty ugly themselves.

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You may never hear of a "First gen G 17 unfired NIB" sale on an auction site.... You will more than likely never hear of a Glock "safe queen".... Because they aren't made for those reasons.....

Exactly! Gaston's pistol has revolutionized the handgun world. A new shooter can be trained on a Glock faster and more safely than any other platform that comes to mind. If you think I'm wrong, start from the ground up with someone who has never fired a handgun before using, let's say, a Colt 1911 for example or for that matter a double action revolver versus a Glock.

I've watched brand new officers learn to shoot over the years. The Glock is much easier to master due a consistent trigger pull and a simpler manual of arms. This leads to more confidence in your weapon which is crucial.

My agency has issued several different handguns during my time here. Far and away, scores have risen since we adopted the Glock. Not brand bashing, but qualifying everyone used to be a real chore with other pistols. You always had few seasoned shooters who could pass with anything. But, a lot of folks squeaked by on the 2nd or 3rd try or in "remedials"or on "make up day". The Glocks have virtually eliminated this problem and raised scores overall even with the folks who could shoot well already. Patrol uses the Glock 21 and Investigations ,where I'm assigned.carries the Glock 30. I was previously issued a Glock 22 which I never failed to qualify with on the 1st round. When we got the Glock 30s, myself and the 4 other detectives I shot with passed on the 1st attempt just after taking the guns out of the box.

Not to mention that is almost impossible to break a Glock.....

"Po-Po shootists"?? What the...?

I've absolutely no idea what that is, but I laughed out loud when I read it! It just looks like it's funny, and it sounds even more funny when you say it out loud.

Last time I had fired a Glock was a Gen 2 17 in 1998. The trigger sucked, it didn't point right, and it recoiled harsher than the metal framed guns of the day.

Recently a coworker let me shoot his Gen 3 17L and I quite enjoyed it. These days I can pick up about anything and shoot it well.

A Glock 10mm may be in my future...someday.

That they are "perfection" is a real stretch and a long term marketing gimmick. What they are is a simple, practical, and affordable option.

All that I've found necessary are a Glock-30 and S&W J-frames for function and a couple 90+ year-old Colt 1911s as works of art.
But I've got the hots for the new Glock-41 w/MOS whenever it hits the local shelves.

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I never understood the grip angle thing. I can only guess that it's a matter of what you are used to. My 17L points like a dueling pistol, and with my eyesight that really helps. The first time I shot it, both my friend (an ex-cop), and I shot the long Glock better than my Browning High Power. It has never jammed. It's a lot easier to manipulate. I don't have to worry nearly as much about the elements. My BHP is pretty. But when the zombies come over the hill, the Glock will get the nod.
Glock has shot itself in the foot with the "Perfection" nonsense. But firearms history will show just what a game-changer the design has been, both in it's success and in its imitators. Gaston Glock was not the inventor that Browning was. But, he was a savvy engineer who expertly integrated a lot of ideas to make what has been the most successful pistol in military service worldwide since the Browning/Saive High Power's days of glory.

I don't know if I'm the only one but I find them incredibly difficult to take down. Much prefer a lever. Fits my big hands better.

I like nice tools, like an Estwing leather-handled hammer, or Snap-on combination wrenches. A Glock is just a tool. I don't want one.

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I believe there are quite a few Glock Collectors, and they have safe queens that are unfired, etc. Check out Glocktalk, and some of the other forums specifically for the 'ugly' pistols.

Glocks are great, for sure. Dependable reliability and tough as nails. Everyone should own at least one. My G19 will never leave.

It's a derogatory ghetto slang for cops.

I don't find glocks to be all that boxy. The fact that they don't have different cutouts make them appear more box like. The -G17 is 1.18 in thick while...
-Sig 226 is 1.5 in thick.
-HK vp9 1.32 in thick, P30/P2000 1.37 in, USP 1.26 - 1.38
-FNS is 1.55
-S&W 5906 1.18 like the Glock
-Walther PPQ 1.3 in
But because some guns are slightly rounded towards the top it makes them seem thinner.

Wow must be a lot of turn over at that department with all those guys on medical leave