DP51. It worked just fine, but too many in the US have ingrained habits/expectations so it didn't sell well.

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I thought the same thing...
It's not unusual to see a five-year old post come back to life.
It is , however, unusual when the OP is the "bumper!"

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Social distancing ......... keep your threads..... "5 years" apart........

I'll add the 3" 66 -2 though -4....... only about 5000 made over that decade

I got two -3s in about 1988/89 that had set on a distributors shelf for about a year for about $270 with the actions polished.......

I remember those years as "If it didn't have at least 15 rounds up it's butt no one wanted it!" having/carrying a 6 shot revolver would just get you killed..... just watch Lethal Weapon or Die Hard!!!!!!

Someone earlier...2015..... mentioned the Beretta 92 Compact Type-M single stack....... I picked up one in 1993 from a local Police Supply Co. just before the AWB as an "insurance policy"...... bought a second from them 10 years later..... both were 'extras' from the same batch bought to fill a Police Dept order in 1992 ..... the Single Stack Ms (8+1) were for Lt's and above.

Truth is I kind or like them for EDC when I don't need a double stack....the M was around for a good while just never a big seller in the US. Kind of the Italian equivalent of the German single stack police ( Walther P-5, Sig P-6 and H&K P-7) guns.

Five year old thread, but I'll bite. Here's a Browning BDM, made from 1991-98. Made for FBI trials. A unique gun in that it has a switch that allows it be fired in "revolver" mode (double action only) or like a DA/SA semi-auto. It is the slimmest double stack (15 rounds) I have ever encountered. It's a really cool gun and a nice shooter. All steel. Made in the USA. It is definitely NOT a double action Hi Power.

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The FN HP-DA/ Browning BDA and the Browning BDM, were attempts to create a successor to the Hi Power and neither lasted long.

The FN HP-DA (middle in the picture below) was designed for the M9 service trials in 1983 and obviously lost. It was sold commercially in the standard form as well as in compact and double action only form with a couple stops and starts from 1984 to 1999. It was sold as the Browning BDA in the US and as the FN HP-DA in Europe.

It lacked the feel and refinement of the Hi Power and had a few other design choices that probably didn't help it much such as not sharing the same magazine as the Hi Power.



The Browning BDM (top in the picture above) was designed for the FBI service pistol trials in 1991 and had a couple of features that were unique.

First, it used a mode switch that allowed it to operate in "revolver" mode as a double action only semi-auto pistol, or in a double action/single action decocker equipped semi-auto pistol mode. There was some benefit in terms of easing the transition of revolver carrying officers to a semi-auto pistol.

Second, it had a very thin grip for a double stack 9mm pistol (on the left below), in fact I've never encountered one that was thinner, and that would have had some benefit for concealed carry by agents. However, it also made the pistol feel funny in the hand, so subjectively it was a failure, and on that was noticeable as soon as a potential customer picked it up. Browning also made the BRM, a version without the selector switch that operated in DAO/Revolver mode all the time.

One major flaw is that when operated in SA/DA pistol mode the safety operated backwards - "up" is the fire position. That was the kiss of death for the design in my opinion.

Neither was a success and they were discontinued in 1998.



FN also made the SFS version of the Hi Power (the bottom pistol in the first picture). The SFS stood for "Safety Fast Shooting" and it was an outgrowth of FNs attempt to submit a pistol for the initial XM9 pistol trials. It was rejected as it was not a double action pistol, although it achieved the intended goals, with some advantages.

The design uses a two part hammer where the upper part cocks the lower part, and then is pressed forward to place the pistol on safe. Pressing the hammer forward pops the safety up into the "safe" position, and conversely pressing the safety lever down pops the hammer back into position to fire.

The end result was that the pistol could be carried in condition 1 with the hammer down on a hammer block, so it was drop safe and less scary looking to civilians who would otherwise be nervous seeing someone carrying a pistol with the hammer cocked. I like it for concealed carry as the hammer is down and won't rub on you or print on your shirt, and it's easy to verify the pistol is on safe. And, if you hold your thumb over the back of the hammer when holstering it, you are assured that it will always be on safe when holstering it.

It also wasn't a marketing success, and I got my SFS Hi Power on closeout at about half the price of the regular epoxy finished Hi Power. You can however get the original FN SFS parts as a conversion kit for a Hi Power from Cylinder and Slide. It'll work on any Hi Power and I converted one of my first gen FEG P9 pistols to SFS operation with only minor re-fitting of the SFS slide stop required.

I don't have personal experience with failed guns from that era, but looking over many of the examples shown I call to mind two quotes from Elon Musk.

"Complexity is the devil"
"The biggest sin of engineers is optimizing something that doesn't need to exist"

I liked the FN Hi Power with the fast action hammer.
Upon chambering a round, one placed the gun on safe and pushed the hammer down with the thumb.
When ready to fire, releasingthe safety caused the hammer to jump back to full cock. Seemed to work well, even if it was a solution in search of a problem.

A portion of quote by BB57 Above.First, it used a mode switch that allowed it to operate in "revolver" mode as a double action only semi-auto pistol, or in a double action/single action decocker equipped semi-auto pistol mode. There was some benefit in terms of easing the transition of revolver carrying officers to a semi-auto pistol.

Second, it had a very thin grip for a double stack 9mm pistol (on the left below), in fact I've never encountered one that was thinner, and that would have had some benefit for concealed carry by agents. However, it also made the pistol feel funny in the hand, so subjectively it was a failure, and on that was noticeable as soon as a potential customer picked it up. Browning also made the BRM, a version without the selector switch that operated in DAO/Revolver mode all the time.

One major flaw is that when operated in SA/DA pistol mode the safety operated backwards - "up" is the fire position. That was the kiss of death for the design in my opinion.

If you had experience with a number of European pistols, then the "backwards safety for Yanks" was the common method on Walthers. I have no problem with safeties that work either way, just a matter of experience and choice. My two BDMs have one modification that certainly improved them, a steel rather than plastic guide rod. These were available quite a few years ago but the chap who made them died about 10 years ago. Dave_n

I had one of the Semmerling LM4 pistols 45acp mentioned by Kaaskop in the orig thread.
Looked like a small semiauto but was manually operated by pushing the slide forward.

It came to me in pieces. The orig owner, a DR, had it stolen from his office at a local hospital in the mid 70's.
The pistol was recovered nearly 20yrs later in a drug house raid. The pistol found in trunk of a car on the property. It had been subjected to water soaking for who knows how long,,and it was in parts in a cardboard box.
Drug House Gunsmithing,,who'd a thought...

The owner got the pistol back. The stainless steel construction held up pretty well. A couple small parts were missing, plus the grips and screws.
He asked me if I wanted it and we worked out a trade for a shooter Luger.

I got the pistol all back together. It cleaned up beautifully.
The Dr came up with the orig paperwork for the pistol and another set of grips for it.
I made the couple of parts needed, one a simple small side plate.
One magazine was in with the parts when found,,the good Dr supplied another.

Off to the range with FMJ ammo.
I have to say the heavy little thing functioned as advertised.,,and very smoothly too.
Very easy to chamber rounds and then to eject them after firing.
The action is DA only and the trigger pull is very smooth.
We had no problem keeping shots on a 50yrd Bullseye target 'paper' at 25yds.
Not exactly what the gun was meant for, but we just had to see anyway.

Heavy enough to need a belt holster IMO. I know they adv these as a deep undercover type pistol. Not my area of expertise, but it seems like it'd be a bit hard to carry that way (ankle holsters, ect.)

The slide forward manual action worked wonderfully as I said, but I often though about how someone might lapse into forgetting that type of non-familiar mode if in a do or die situation.
Novelty has it's place but I wouldn't think that was one of them.

I kept the LM4 for a number of years. Then sold it to a collector looking for one to fill a collection. He was happy and I was too.
It wasn't really in my realm of gun accumulation types, but it was an interesting enough mechanism to see it through and bring it back to life.

I had a guy recently make me a stainless steel guide rod for my BDM. I hated the plastic one.

Colt 2000 is the first thing that came to mind for me.

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A friend carried one of those as his BUG. But he was, as my grandmother used to say "big enough to go bear hunting with a switch".

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remember Leroy Thompson and his Detonics guns?

I may be crazy, but the gun magazines used to run an add in the 80s for a pistol that held a "baker's dozen" of 9mm. I remember the adds for the CAC 45 and I think they came from the same folks.

I have exhausted the interweb and cannot find any reference to this mystery 9mm.

Reminded me there is one of each in the safe along with an Iver Johnson .22lr PPK clone in nickel...

I hang on to mine mainly because of the 15 rnd mags in CA. It's not that bad a gun I don't think. Been a safe queen like most of my guns anyway.

Like Colt says don't oil the rollers on the trigger. Tell you friend to blast the rollers with a cleaner and then lube with a dry Teflon. Makes the trigger pretty decent for the gun's intended purpose.

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I have one of those little Iver Johnson PPK clones in 25ACP.
Neat little gun.

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S&W 16-4. They shut it down way too early.

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AMT Hardballer. Had a longslide version too, famous from the original "Terminator" movie.

Cool thread. I’m actually glad it was resurrected, as I missed it during the first go-around. My picks for this thread pre-date the 1980s:
1) AJ Ordnance “Thomas” .45
2) H&K VP-70

I bought a Beretta Mini Cougar in 9mm about 20 years ago and love it. Took it to qualify for Conceal carry forgetting it was DAO.
I'm glad I love DA shooting. Great gun.

Uh Dave, the S&W 39/59 series have had this system since their inception (yes, I know it is properly referred to as a "decocker"), sounds a little sacrilegious on the S&W Forum.

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Daewoo DP-51... , and I'm gonna say Daewoo/S&T Motiv disagrees with you;

It's been the standard issue Korean handgun for the past 30 years, and it's currently being imported by Lionheart as the LH9.

I had a friend with the Lionheart LH9, it was a decent gun. I didn't like the oddball bronze coloring it had, but I almost bought a black one after he got his. I think he still has it.

Yet another Colt is the Series 90 Double Eagle. An abomination.

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The Randall 1911

First 100% stainless 1911, well built, high quality.

1983 to 1985, company folded.

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And here I've waded through this whole thing this morning thinking of AMT and I don't think anyone else had mentioned it.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who remembers them.

I remember a "Gun Test" magazine, I think that was the name, that did a cover article comparing the AMT Hardballer, to a Raven 25. They gave the win to the Raven because at least it would fire every time.

I don't think I ever even saw on in the real world.

I did see a Colt 2000 or whatever it was called once. It was pretty cheap and I came close to buying it just for the novelty of it. I kept watching it, waiting for the price to drop even more, but someone else bought it. Probably for the best.

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I fondled a Mauser HSc at Greentops around 1980. Loved the little pistol. Didn't buy it cause I had no idea what to do with it.

<FF> into the 21st century, and civilian concealed carry, it would be a GREAT gun.

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What about the stainless Parker 45 that looked like a 1911 but wasn’t? Didn’t even share the same grips as the old war horse. They were made in Wyoming I believe. Sorry if it was already mentioned but I didn’t see it listed

Kelly

These are very good revolvers. I think they suffered from coming out at a time when there was a mad scramble toward semiautomatics by law enforcement and general public.

Medium frame revolvers were just not the rage at that time and for those that liked them, there were a lot of Model 66s, 686s, ... in circulation.

And...having the lock didn't help. There were some real hard feelings about the lock in those days.

I had one of the 745 IPSC guns. Amazingly good trigger, at least to me. It worked well out of the box too which could not be said about some of the 1911s of the era.

Should have caught on but didn't. It was fighting an uphill though against the 1911 which was immensely popular and around which an industry sprang up customizing and tuning them.

Browning BDM - Wikipedia

I still have mine, model BPM-D (Browning Pistol Mode Decocker) and is one of my favorite full size 9 mm. The grip is nice and thin and fits my hand like a custom glove. Great shooter too.

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What about the Walther P88 9mm.

I have one bought in 1995 or 6, NIB consignment in 10mm. I thought it a sweet shooter even though I only shot maybe one or two magazines of Winchester silver tips through it.

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I remember the initial magazine reviews for that gun were glowing. That thought me something about gun magazines.

Would it be accurate to say that the original Smith & Wesson Sigma SW40F was a failure considering that it was critically panned and didn't see any real success until it had been slightly redesigned and improved a few years later?

Honestly, it's reputation still proceeds it decades after the fact, and folks still knock its predecessors as if the issues were never addressed and the line remained in production regardless.

Amusingly enough, in 1994 Bersa cloned the Walther P88 and released it under the name Thunder 9, and it has been successful.

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Buddy of mine who joined the NYSP bought hisself one of these upon entering the cadre back around then. He's retired now. Might have to see if he's still got it laying around anywhere. Would love to compare it to my SIG 365.

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That would be correct. AFAIK. The Bren Ten for sure.

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The Astra Constable comes to mind. Walther PPK replica. I had one for awhile. Never shot it.

I'm not sure when Beretta made their Model 70 in .22 and I think .380 caliber. But the Cheetah series replaced it, I beleive.

I have one but no picture.

Then there is the SIG P 230. Gorgeous gun.

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Huh? The Astra Constable seemed to be a reasonably successful pistol during it's production, it was merely cut short when Astra folded up.

As for the SIG P230, that was a highly successful firearm which is still being manufactured to this very day abroad, albeit in the updated P232 configuration with a lightweight aluminum alloy frame. They stopped importing it into the US in 2015, and not because it wasn't selling anymore, but rather because of this whole overblown thing at the time. If I recall correctly, SIG had sold the US Army some guns which in turn were supplied to lawmakers in a conflict zone, which apparently was against German law, so they tried to throw the book at SIG eventhough they had nothing to do with it, and in the meantime SIG couldn't import any firearms made in Germany out of the country anymore, so that marked the end of P232 sales in the US.

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I've got a nib Pocket Nine tucked away in my safe alongside another design that got killed off too soon, the Browning BDM

I have a Sig 230, a real sweetheart, only one I have ever seen, bought it cheap. Heavy recoil for a 380 for me, but nice to carry.

If I ever find one of those at at affordable price it WILL come home with me.

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I love my Sig P230.

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Well...more to comment on here than I can remember! Where to start?

The Steyr GB. It certainly was not a commercial success, that would seem to be true. However, it's a very well made pistol. It is rather large, but only a bit larger, I believe, than a Beretta 92. Mine has always been reliable, and accurate. The DA trigger pull is a bit heavy, but nothing horrendous. I'm not sure if they all came this way, but mine (which I purchased brand new, ordered through a dealer from Shotgun News) came with glow-in-the-dark front and rear sights. Not true night sights, no tritium...but GITD material inserted into the 3 dots on the sights. This is the first pistol of which I'm aware that came with any kind of night sight as standard. (I'm not saying it absolutely was the first...just the earliest of which *I'm* aware!)

Part of its lack-of-success *may* be attributable to the Rogak-18, which was a spectacular failure, and deservedly so, from what I've read. The Steyr GB was *not* developed from the Rogak! Rather, Steyr had designed the GB, but...I can't recall all of the details now, but Steyr had some doubts about marketing it, I believe. So, they licensed Rogak to manufacture it in the states. Rogak screwed it up, badly. So, at some point, Steyr decided to go ahead and build it. I'm sure its relationship to the Rogak didn't do it any favors in the marketplace.

The H&K P7 series. While I have no idea what the total sales numbers may have been like, or how profitable it was for H&K overall, I can't imagine calling the P7 a "failure". It's a fantastic pistol...one of the finest non-target grade 9mm pistols ever built. To demonstrate it's reliability, on many occasions I have loaded one up, inserting an empty brass case in the middle of the magazine, and then proceeded to fire it, until a "click" is heard by the striker falling on that spent cartridge. It has always completely fed and chambered the empty brass case. Hard to imagine a bullet configuration that it would not feed. Also, it will continue to function 100% without any extractor. I've not tested this personally...but I have read that it is so on many occasions. A function of its blowback (gas-retarded) design, and its fluted chamber.

As far as using lead bullets...well, I have never been interested in using lead projectiles in *any* 9mm. I mean...9mm ammo is pretty affordable in FMJ. Unless you're loading your own, and trying to save every penny that you can...I can't see why you'd prefer to shoot lead in your 9mm. But, yeah...if you do, then probably not best to have a P7. Also, since the P7 uses polygonal rifling, it should not really be using lead bullets either, just as with Glocks. I know...you *can* use lead, you just have to clean every bit of lead out of the bore, before firing jacketed bullets.

I bought 2 P7s while in Germany (an M13, and a PSP), and have acquired several more after I returned to the US. The supposed disadvantage of the sound of it decocking is, to my mind, on the same level as the "disadvantage" suffered by the M1 Garand's "pinging" en-bloc clip, that is to say...largely apocryphal. If you aren't ready to fire, there's no reason to have the pistol cocked. The cocking mechanism is so simple, straightforward, and easily accomplished...there is no advantage to walking around with the squeeze-cocker engaged. In fact, it rather negates the safety feature that it provides...as walking around with it already cocked, gives you a *very* light, short trigger pull, to fire the gun. Also, it doesn't matter if you cock it before you pull the trigger, or you pull the trigger first, and then engage the squeeze-cocker...either method will fire the gun. So, anyone complaining about the sound of cocking and decocking...is not really using the pistol properly.

Detonics Pocket 9. Really well built, fairly compact little pistol, one of the smallest of that day. Unfortunately...it's still rather chunky, for a single stack 9mm that only holds 6 rounds in its mag. And, being all stainless, it's rather heavy for its size. Also, it's a DA/SA...with an acre of over travel on the trigger. No matter how carefully I've tried to manipulate the trigger, or how long I take to line up and accomplish a shot...I can not get a decent group out of it...because of the ridiculous amount of over travel. Also, I always felt as if it was trying to twist itself out of my hand when it discharged. It torques very hard...to the right, IIRC? The sights are...interesting, and adequate. Without pulling it out of the safe right now...I "think" it has the "shadow" front sight, ala HK VP70. Also, disassembly is a huge pain in the butt. Never liked it...just never found anyone that wanted to give me anything for it. I think I even have 4 or so brand new factory spare mags.

Walther P88. I brought back a sequentially numbered pair, from Germany. Superb pistol. Excellent trigger pull, both DA & SA. Completely ambidextrous. The decocking lever is also the slide lock/release...really well designed. I think it's one of the most beautiful, finest shooting (non-target) 9mms (second perhaps only to the P7, and/or perhaps the Walther P5). Because of their value, and because my Glocks are nearly as good but much less expensive, one of my P-88s is still unfired in the box, and the other has had a sedate, gentle life...perhaps several hundred rounds through her. I say this because I have read that they aren't terribly robust, but I cannot comment on this. My biggest beef with the P-88s is that the manufacturer stamps the proof marks after the finish has been applied...and it flakes off a bit of the finish right at the stamp. Seems kinda stupid for what *was* at-that-time a $1000+ pistol. Also, FWIW...I don't care for the P-88 Compact. It has a slide-mounted decocking safety (or is it just a decocker? Not certain.) and to my mind...it's ergos are far inferior to the full-sized P-88.

Daewoo DP-51. Never owned one, never fired one. But, I sold quite a few of them when I worked at a gun shop...and people loved them. Never heard a negative comment, nothing but positive remarks. I think perhaps the fact that the company was relatively unknown in the US, and what little was known revolved around their cars (which were, perhaps...not well thought of in the US, either), and its unusual operating system...accounts for, what I assume were, sluggish sales numbers. I would buy one if given a chance at a fair price. If I recall...I think they accept S&W M.59 pattern mags? I think?

COP .357. A really interesting little gun. All stainless, so quite heavy. A very long heavy trigger pull, but as it's the only safety device, and it's obviously intended for close-range work, it's usable. Not very useful today, obviously...but quirky and interesting enough to be "cool" to own one. I've considered selling mine, as it's in excellent condition, as is the original clamshell box, and the prices seem to be steadily increasing. Oddly...these seem to be seen quite frequently in their boxes.

Iver Johnson TP-22. A decent little .22. Mine has been pretty reliable, and shoots fairly well. The finish has become...quite ugly, rather like parkerizing.

Walther TPH. I bought one of these brand new, I think it was about $275? On the second or third round of the third magazine...the gun "exploded". Luckily, no injuries. So, I picked up all the pieces I could find, took it back to the shop, and they sent it back. I believe S&W was handling the warranty claims. Anyway...the shop contacted me, and said that they (S&W? Walther? Not sure.) said it could not be repaired, and there weren't any more available, so they could not replace it. So...they very *generously* offered me $100! I was furious. After some ranting...the shop passed my sentiments along to CS. They then offered a brand new PPK (or PPK/S?) as compensation. So, I decided that having a Stainless PPK(/S?) in .32 ACP would be pretty interesting. They sent it to me...except, the box said it was a .32 ACP, but in actuality, even though the serial numbers matched, it was a .380 ACP. I was disappointed. Also, a buddy of mine who worked at that shop...advised me that the Walther PP series that they'd been selling recently, were ALL being returned for various reasons. My friend's assessment...rather than firing that pistol, and dealing with returning it when it broke, as it inevitably *would*...sell it immediately, while it's still unfired in the box. If it had actually been a .32, I think I'd have rolled the dice. But, since it wasn't really what I had wanted...I unloaded it, and made a few bucks in the process.

One that no one has mentioned (I don't think) is the Intratec Tec 22. Unfortunately...I own one. It's in very good condition, barely fired. The reason for that...it won't feed worth a damn. It seemed like an interesting idea...a high capacity, very lightweight .22 pistol that used 10/22 mags. I don't think I ever had it feed more than 5 rounds in a row, before it would jam, even though I tried dozens of different 10/22 mags. Not interesting enough to have appreciated in value...it seems quite worthless.

Then there's the Grendel P-10. I bought a brand new one, back in the day. It was very light, being one of the earlier (but, not *the* earliest, of course!) polymer framed pistols, and it *may* have been one of the first polymer framed .380s. It held 10 rounds of .380 in an internal (non-detachable...as a Broomhandle Mauser) magazine...it was loaded at the top, through the ejection port. With a small adapter, it could be loaded from an M-16 stripper clip. Its DAO trigger pull was pretty long, not *too* heavy...usable. It was accurate enough, not bad, really. The takedown was a PITA, and the owner's manual omitted some vital info concerning reassembly. The first (and only) time that I field stripped it, I broke the firing pin on reassembly. I returned it to Grendel, they repaired it (I can't recall who paid for shipping it to them?), and they included a hand written note that they slipped into the owner's manual, adding the important info that was not included in the manual. I can't find production numbers...it was only made for about 3 years (because it was replaced by the improved P-12, which had a detachable 9 round polymer mag), but seeing as it was filling a niche that no other pistol was occupying, I guess it might have actually been considered successful. I sold my Grendel when a young guy offered me what I considered to be more than it was worth, and I had been debating the idea of getting "out of" .380. Later...I found a brand new unfired nickeled P-10 for about half what I'd sold mine for, with the stripper clip adapter, which I had never even seen before.

Also...the Grendel P-30. A polymer framed .22 Magnum pistol that used a 30 round polymer magazine. These are also very lightweight, even fully loaded with 30 rounds of .22 Mag. While I've heard various people saying these were not reliable...I have a pair of them, and about 14 of the mags...and I don't believe either one has ever malfunctioned, jammed, or misfired in any way. In addition, they're extremely accurate. I don't know if they sold very well...but the 1994 AWB, which outlawed their 30 round magazines...certainly didn't help them any. These are the forerunners of the Kel-Tec PMR-30.

I think an interesting nominee for this thread are the FEG DA/SA pistols. FEG, if you remember, was the Hungarian company that churned out all those High Power clones, as well as a lot of Walther PP style pistols. Generally they put out well-made and well-finished guns, but were in kind of a no-man's land due to the Iron Curtain.

They were imported a lot by Charles Daly, but I think with a stronger import deal the company could have survived.

Anyway, I never owned one of their DA/SA's, but heard a lot about them when I was looking around at the HPs. The guns seemed to be a mating of High Power stylings, and S&W internals, and couldn't take parts from either. They made 'em in 9mm and 45, and they really looked pretty nice. Here's a couple of online photos:




These tend to be nice guns, I hear. Maybe with a little better luck, they could have had a lifespan more like the EAA Witness series.

Ruger 357Maximum Blackhawk.. Detonics...

I can't believe all the ones people are listing but no photos!!! I'll help a little. AMT Longslide. I know some of them have problems but this one shoots great. Styer GB, HK P7 and a Coonan .357.

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The Sterling PPL has got to be the ugliest pistol ever made.

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Laser Aim .45.

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