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12-30-2015, 12:52 AM
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Glock Tops for Special Op's
The SEALS and Marine Corp MARSOC special operators, when asked to choose between their existing Colt 1911's, Sig Sauer P226's, and new Glock 19's, have chosen the Glock.
The Navy SEALs Might Have Selected A New Pistol Of Choice
Maybe the Colts and Sigs will show up as surplus.
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12-30-2015, 02:06 AM
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It's about time. I hated the 1911a1 over 45 years ago as a young Marine Cpl. But wasn't happy when the Beretta 92 9mm replaced it as the armed service's side arm weapon. The Glock 19, in 9mm still doesn't cut the mustard. Now a Glock 21 is a combat side arm. 13+1 of 230gr would be the combat weapon of choice for me. As for my CCW it's a Glock 30sf with the 10 round mag and 1 in the tube. And two G21 mag's in case I need to reload.
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12-30-2015, 05:21 AM
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The G19 is a great pistol. I sure like mine.
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12-30-2015, 08:37 AM
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WOW !
Navy Seals and Marines choose Glock 19s !
Now I don't feel Wimpy with a Glock
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12-30-2015, 09:42 AM
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Interesting any government agency would consider the cost to we taxpayers on anything. But in the government's usual fashion, MARSOC spends a yard of money on updated 1911's, then decides in their wisdom to spend not quite as much of our money G19's. Thanks for nothing. You Glock fanboys can gloat, all the way to work. You've got taxes to pay.
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12-30-2015, 09:54 AM
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A couple years ago it replaced the BHP in England. I'm to lazy to Google how many militaries use them now.
I love my 1911's and S&W revolvers but CC a Glock 26. Have owned at least one Glock for about 25 years now. But...I just don't get that emotional attachment to them like I do with my 1911's and S&W's.
If I buy any new pistols this year one might be a Glock 41. A plastic 1911 with 13 rounds...cool!
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12-30-2015, 10:02 AM
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Interesting any government agency would consider the cost to we taxpayers on anything. But in the government's usual fashion, MARSOC spends a yard of money on updated 1911's, then decides in their wisdom to spend not quite as much of our money G19's. Thanks for nothing. You Glock fanboys can gloat, all the way to work. You've got taxes to pay.
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I saw this as a "throw Colt a bone help get out of bankruptcy" thing. Waste of money? Yep. When does the U.S. government NOT waste money? They think it's their job.
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12-30-2015, 10:48 AM
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Well, I still ain't gonna buy a Glock simply because it doesn't fit my and as well as the M&P9. Plus I LIKE the safety on my M&P. Sorry. Wonder if the M&P9 was ever in the running.
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12-30-2015, 11:10 AM
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Don't see the big deal nor can i say I'm surprised. They've been using Glocks for a while now, along with other none standard firearms. The SEALS who took out Bin Laden were using Colt and HK ARs. They also use the HK USP 45.
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12-30-2015, 02:54 PM
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LOL....written by Glocks PR Department....... maybe.......
I think I counted a "reportedly" and three "If the reports are true..... " in the text.
Save a 1/2 lb. ..... OK maybe lets me add 1 extra 30 rd mag of 5.56 (15oz)* for my primary weapon.. or 2 extra Glock mags (14oz*).....that might be worth the trade.
".... the SEALs have had Glocks in inventory for years...." ....this is like a ....."an endorsement by Michael Jorden...... a big deal"
and "they would be nearly disposable" ...... so much for savings! LOL
All but one of the "action" pics show 226s..... think they could have found some 19s in action.
*google search for weights...
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12-30-2015, 03:07 PM
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I don't get hung up on brands. For me Smith make the best modern day revolvers. The best Polymer guns for me are Glocks. Easy to shoot, clean and maintain. The Glock 19 is a very good handgun.
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12-30-2015, 03:59 PM
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My nephew is in 5th SFGA now and carries a Glock 17.
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12-30-2015, 04:20 PM
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I think a striker fired design, particularly a 9mm Glock makes a lot of sense for a Navy SEAL. It's light, compact, high capacity, reliable, durable and fires the most prevalent military handgun round on planet/NATO. Lint, dirt and debris can get down in the action of a hammer fired weapon, even during fairly routine EDC and I imagine that and a lot worse would be a much bigger issue with SEALs dealing with harsh conditions and climates.
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For a variety of reasons a Glock 19 makes sense as a military sidearm. Let's not forget, too, that SOFs have tremendous leeway in the arms they can procure; the Glock will just be added to a long list.
Of more interest to me is the increasing number of reports that the military will begin incorporating hollow point rather than ball, something many of the SOFs already do under certain circumstances.
If true, it makes sense to continue the use of 9mm sidearms...
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12-30-2015, 06:20 PM
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I would have guessed the G17 for capacity. But I'm not surprised its a Glock, period.
I do love the 1911 and the P226 but I carry the G19 and I understand.
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Sure, it's a sidearm. With all the gear carried the lighter and simpler the better.
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12-30-2015, 06:38 PM
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From what I've read, the SEAL's contract with Sig is about to expire, so rather than renew that contract they're going to go with the Gen3 G19 since they're already in the USSOCOM inventory/procurement pipeline. The G19 will be replacing both the full-size P226 and the P239 used for concealed carry. The change is also supposed to improve interoperability with other USSOCOM units. They'll still have the HK45c, but it's a specialty tool for when they need a suppressed pistol.
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I would have guessed the G17 for capacity. But I'm not surprised its a Glock, period.
I do love the 1911 and the P226 but I carry the G19 and I understand.
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Smaller gun, same capacity
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12-30-2015, 06:56 PM
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"Of more interest to me is the increasing number of reports that the military will begin incorporating hollow point rather than ball, something many of the SOFs already do under certain circumstances."
I had not heard anything about that, but of course expanding bullets would be legal for military use in any non-combat situation (and are in fact used). Unless the Hague Convention has been repealed or re-interpreted to cover the non-traditional types of military action which have become the norm for the U. S. for the last 20 years, I don't know how the U. S. military could use them in combat.
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"Of more interest to me is the increasing number of reports that the military will begin incorporating hollow point rather than ball, something many of the SOFs already do under certain circumstances."
I had not heard anything about that, but of course expanding bullets would be legal for military use in any non-combat situation (and are in fact used). Unless the Hague Convention has been repealed or re-interpreted to cover the non-traditional types of military action which have become the norm for the U. S. for the last 20 years, I don't know how the U. S. military could use them in combat.
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My understanding, and it could be wrong, is that the Hague Convention applies to nation states. Terrorists/insurgents are not nation states and do not represent recognized nation states. IIRC, the US did not sign the Hague Convention but does generally follow it.
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My understanding, and it could be wrong, is that the Hague Convention applies to nation states. Terrorists/insurgents are not nation states and do not represent recognized nation states. IIRC, the US did not sign the Hague Convention but does generally follow it.
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That part is true. However, the US policy has always been to voluntarily follow the Hague Convention protocols in any armed conflict, even though it is not strictly required to as it is not a signatory. That's what I meant when I mentioned a re-interpretation of the US position regarding the Hague Convention, specifically regarding bullets designed to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering or expanding bullets. I have not read anything about the US opting out of its traditional position regarding the laws of armed conflict. I have discussed this numerous times with military attorneys.
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HHmmmm, a stock Model 19 magazine capacity for carry and a Model 17 magazine or two for backup and then maybe a 33 round or 50 round drum for special operations time? The possibilities are interesting, folks.
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12-31-2015, 09:44 AM
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...I have not read anything about the US opting out of its traditional position regarding the laws of armed conflict. I have discussed this numerous times with military attorneys.
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Following recent legal review, the U.S. military concluded it is within bounds to deploy hollow point at its discretion in international warfare; it already has been in certain forms of asymmetric warfare.
Army to consider hollow point bullets for new pistol
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When I first started flying Starlifters in the 80s we were issued the M56 which is the S&W Model 15 snubby. It was easy to conceal and even though the finish was long worn off them, they were pretty much new.
Then along came the M9, impossible to conceal under the flight suit. We carried them loaded, round in the chamber, decocked, safety off. That was easier, cheaper, and faster than providing any real training; it was just like the revolver- pull the trigger.
I tried to submit a proposal to get us the G19 and contacted Glock down in Georgia. They sent me about 30lbs of documentation of tests and such of the Glock's durability. Lots of cool info. It seemed a sure thing until someone told me the secret- Berreta was selling the DoD their M9 for just under $200 a copy. Glock wasn't willing to go lower than $400 or so, so the idea died on the vine.
During the Gulf War I knew of one fighter unit that pooled their pilot's money to buy G19s. It was some end-run around the system- the pilots contributed their own money to the squadron, which bought the guns, then gave them to the pilots after the war. Details are, like my memory, sketchy.
During the Gulf war we continued to carry our snubbies as well as some NOS 4" barreled model 15s. After the M9s came online all those old S&Ws, even the war-reserve ones that were never even fired, were destroyed by the AF. We were never even offered the chance to buy one.
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