I've carried and shot Sigs for years off and on since 1990. They are a wonderful piece of machinery and engineering. They are also a little heavy and have a higher bore axis, than say a Glock, so you may feel recoil lightly more.

IMHO I'd start with an old school P228 or P225 (P6). Get one in good shape, keep it in good shape and you can mostly likely get your $ back out of it if you decide to sell.

My refurbed P228, ignore white grease on the rails.



P225 from late 80s:



P220 from 1992:



P226 reburbed I carried a while also:

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To answer the title question, not until I can buy nice condition LEO trade-in Sigs for $249.00.
All I find are rather rough-looking trade-ins for around $500.00.

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Since the only threat is a target with no holes. I like to draw from holster and fire DA, decock and do it again.

You enablers aren't going to be happy until I have a few Sigs, are you?

As far as paper punching goes, I have a 52-1.
Need I say more?

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I have three of them, a 1911, a P226 9mm, and a 938. The 226 slide is off at Robar right now getting NP3'd. The 1911 is a bedside gun and the 938 rides my pocket all the time. Good guns.

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Yes. What's a 52-1

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I'd say same way as all the other lefties in law enforcement and military do it

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I can't imagine owning only 1 brand. You need to part with some of those S&W's and explore the field.

Variety is the spice of life! Go for a Sig. While your add it - get a Glock, a H&K, a Springfield, a colt.....

Good luck!

It ain't that hard. When broken down to their simplest, many operations with firearms are actually faster and safer left handed. The only right-handed firearms that I do not use are bolt action rifles.

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All I'm gonna say is... I blame reading Tom Clancy for my interest in Sigs... last year I didn't even have a 9mm by anyone, and now my Sigs and 9 mils are multiplying like rabbits! I'm a big 3rd gen Smith fan, but the first time I saw a Sig field stripped I was sold... let's just say I have more than one!


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Phil. 4:13

It's pretty special. Looks and basically works like a 39, chambered for .38 S&W Special. Not many around.

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I hear ya on that! Just purchased a new p229c carry SAS model from Tanners Sports Center for $599! Sig MSRP on this model is $1,100 and on GB they go between $800 to $1000! I actually like Sig more than my HK (just a personal preference). HK are excellent firearms as well.

You can tell Sigs are well made when you open them up. Nice to see full rails on the frame too.

There ya go! I alternate carry between a 4013TSW, a Sig P226 Mk 25 and an HK USP .45 compact... I have an identity crisis... I need counseling!

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Phil. 4:13

Both of the HK P7 pistols I bought have the heel release, commercial models. The bottom gun I gave my son, the top one is a 1997 PSP marked gun with the flush mag release. I used to carry his all the time. Then he turned 21 years old, and came back home for it. Mine is too nice to carry constantly, LOL!!

That is a deal, is it used though? I could see that price used bug new I paid 300 bucks more for mine but it is 357 sig and that is when that caliber was very hard to find

Brand new never opened in the plastic case! The blue tie from manufacturer had to be cut off by the dealer to open the case. It was a 40SW. I plan on buying a 357 sig barrel when they are back in stock.

Cheers!

I have to vote for 'yes' on that....since S&W rudely abandoned the metal frame / hammer fired market, Sig and Beretta pretty much have it to themselves, and I much, much prefer the Sig line. MSRP's are always overblown and smart shoppers can find new or 'like new' LEO trade in's for a fair price.

I have a P226 DA/SA from 1998 that I bought when my dept. switched to the DAK trigger platform, it has probably 15K to 20K rounds through it and it keeps trucking. Can't imagine a better pure gunfighting pistol on Earth, and the robust frame eats the recoil nicely. Going from a metal Sig P series to a striker fired pop gun feels like getting out of a new Camaro and getting into a Prius. Yeah, they start and go every time, but they feel chinzy, are too light to really use hot loads and can't be abused too much without going 'Kb!' in some cases.

Those Sig's are like Tiger tanks, man....




Edited to show the aforementioned beast. Carried for many, many years and provides no small assurance of its potential in resolving certain types of problematic happenstances....

German engineering at its best!

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Yeah I looked them up they must have bought some of the over run 40s or something. 599 is a crazy good price for a SAS p229,

My first pistol was a S&W, my last pistol was a S&W and most in between have been Smith & Wesson. Something tells me they are here to stay.

The M1006 retailed for $720 in 1990. In todays dollars that'd be about $1351 in inflation alone. We'd all like to buy a newly made 3rd Gen at 1990 prices too but that's not going to happen. No doubt that's part of the appeal of their plastic guns.

Seeing that SIG makes (4) different versions of the P220-10, & all their different versions of the P220-45 sure is reminiscent of S&W's old days.

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These kinds of "then vs. now" comparisons always blow my half-senile old mind. To me, a brand new all-metal Sig is a very expensive handgun. But I live in a world dominated by modern plastic wonders and, for me in particular, used S&W 3rd Gens. The average cost to me for all the new & used handguns I have bought in the last several years is within pennies of $425.00... including shipping, transfer fee and/or sales tax as applicable. Hard capped at $500 out the door without wife pre-approval, I think I'm done damn well in terms of getting the most bang for my limited bucks.

Now comes the proper time to consider a brand new MA-compliant Sig P226 9mm and the price just floors me. I can buy at least two barely used S&W 3rd Gens or three plastic wonder guns for the best available discounted price of the Sig! And even going "slightly used" doesn't save me enough money to be worth it (and I refuse to go with a .40 LEO trade-in). In truth, I can almost buy two brand new Beretta 92FS pistols in black for the same net cost as the one Sig P226.

But I'm going to do it anyway. It's time for me to own a new Sig all-metal pistol. In fact, the finances and the good wife's approval are already in place. Just waiting for the damn thing to arrive back in stock at the store where I need to purchase it.

I'd buy a new 1006 (but prefer a 1066). It would cost about the same as a stainless Sig does now.

My agency issued the HK P7-M8 in the 80's immediately after the NJSP selected the weapon. I loved mine. They were issued with 5 magazines. Accurate, fast and reliable. The trigger is a single action. Ambidextrous mag release. No manual safety.
The manual of arms is absolutely unique. Gripping the front strap grip cocker both cocks the striker and/or drops the slide. Releasing the grip cocker safely drops the striker making the weapon safe. So, when you fire the weapon dry simply drop the empty magazine, reload and squeeze the grip cocker to drop the slide on a fresh round. Very, very fast.
I regret missing the chance to buy mine when they were replaced.
They do have a reliability issued that we did encounter as did the NJSP in that the mechanism is filled with tiny piano wire springs that were subject to failure after heavy use. One spring breaks and the weapon is neutered. The NJSP tragically lost a brave Trooper to just such a malfunction. Following that incident all our weapons were returned for spring replacement and HK advised us to periodically change the springs as preventative maintenance. Usually there were very reliable, occasionally one would blow off the extractor but the weapon would invariably continue to fire and we would find it missing at the end of the shooting session.
To help prevent thread theft: I want a SIG too!

And unfortunately NJSP threw all their P7s into a wood chipper. They did that with their P228 as well

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Another interesting fact: holding the trigger back then cocking, the weapon will fire. Squeeze both at the same time, the weapon will fire. Sorta like the Winchester 97.

We always traded our surplus weapons, don't know if they still do. Jersey is not what you call a gun friendly zone.

Just to get things back on track a bit, love my SIGs ...

P239, 9mm, SA/DA, SRT, Crimson Trace, 2000
P220 Carry SAS, .45ACP, SAO, SIG Custom Shop, 2012
P230SL, 9mm kurz, SA/DA, 1993
P226, 9mm, SA/DA, SRT, 2010
P225, 9mm, SA/DA, 1997



My latest acquisition was the P230SL. I've always liked the look of the P230/P232 but had never handled one. Saw this one on Gunbroker and made the minimum bid on impulse ... and won. The P230SL is now my summertime EDC; it is extremely concealable and a natural shooter for me. Maybe a little under powered, but loaded with Fiocchi Extrema XTP, powerful enough.

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I forgot to address this earlier, but the difference between what Sig does and S&W did was for the most part, the Sigs are mechanically the same on the inside for their variants. Instead of new internals for every submodel, the differences are mostly the addition of a beavertail, different grips, sights, or finishes.

Yup. A Sig semiauto is akin to a S&W revolver . . .

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There are still lots of surplus guns being imported into the country by secondary importers. PW Arms, Mach 1, CDI sales, CAI etc....

BHPs are still coming in in strong numbers. There was a nice run of Beretta 92S last year. There is an ebb and flow to it. The Swiss Sigs P228s were a great deal back in the day. I picked this one up back when they were everywhere.





I picked another one up this year. It was appears to be unfired since it left the factory. It definitely has not seen a holster. When you account for inflation and factor in condition I did not pay too much more then back when they were plentiful. Sometimes you just have to know where to look.







PS my HK P7 is the most under shot overrated gun in the safe. If they were still be made I would sell it in a heartbeat. The only thing that keeps it around is that they are getting harder and harder to get and the price keeps going up. Its a great neat pistol but just not for me.

Sig on the pistol side of the business is moving in two different directions currently IMHO. The days of the standard P series P220/P226/P229/P239 etc driving the business at Sig are over. IMHO The classic P series used to be the meat and potatoes of the Sig lineup. Their contracts in the US Military and LEO plus contracts from all over the world have kept them in business, at times barely.

Then came Cohen who both saved and ruined the company depending who you asked. They started to put out 10 different models of each P series guns which were basically the same gun with different grips, finishes and marketing ala Kimber. Like him or not he took over a Sig that was not doing well financially and has turned it around. Without his changes Sig was in danger of being gobbled up by outside money similar to what happened to S&W.

They came out with a 1911, the P238, P938 and the P250 etc... There were a lot of QC problems bad MIM, bad extractors, poor fit and finish and poor QC. Again sounds like Kimber.

They expanded the offering but sort of stumbled forward without a super hit. The 1911 took a few years to get right. The P238 is popular but it took 5+ revisions to get it to run properly. The P250 was a failure and IMHO would not be around if not for its commonality with the new P320. The Mosquito died a quick death.

There were niche hits like the SP2022 which was made possible because the French Police needed a new pistol and chose a version of the all but dead SP2009. At the same time they have moved from a German craftsmanship type company to a mass production US type company. They move a lot of metal just ask anyone who works on the production side at Sig or anyone who knows people who work there. The production quotas are high! Sig has now moved all of their production out of Germany to NH. You can not even get Mastershop or P210s from Germany anymore.

Which brings me to the 2 different directions of todays Sig. They have a hit in the making with the P320. The modularity of the P250 in a striker fired pistol which a good to great out of the box trigger. They still have the P series which have more parts commonality these days then ever before but are no longer the focus of their marketing or contract offerings. The are sort of the status quo.

Then this year they added the Legion models which are really an attempt to offer a US made custom shop/master shop type pistols. They need something to sell to those looking for higher end pistols since the Mastershop has been shut down for the US consumer. This area will grow. There will be a US made P210 and one can assume there will be a Legion Series gun for each classic P series pistols. This is the high end of the 2 directions. Those who are willing to spend $1000 on a German like low volume production-custom like pistol.

The lower end will be the P320. These will be the center piece of any large contract Sig goes over. Sig was late into the striker fired polymer world but when they got in they did a good job. They have tweaked the pistol a bit but nothing compared to the P238 or P250. They have built in huge economy of scale into this design which allow them to compete with Glock & M&P on the contract side as well as the commerical market. This I am told is a huge focus of the the current Sig. It has to be. They need a volume pistol for a volume pistol world.

IMHO the high end, Legions and the lower end, P320 will be the focus. Time will tell if this will work. I personally think Sig is taking the right approach and for the first time on over 10 years I bought a NIB Sig last year.

I always wanted to like SIGs, even went thru an academy with a P228, but just couldn't shoot that well with them. The grips aren't as ergonomical for my hands as they may be for others. Furthermore, I never found the triggers on out-of-the-box pistols as smooth as all the gun mag writers claimed they were. They can certainly be slicked up, but at added expense. Not knocking them, but I go back to the ole "no one gun fits all hands" adage - even the new 320s. While I'll take a P225/226 over a 3rd Gen, my M&Ps feel a lot more natural than the new SIG polymer guns.

Yeah, right...as long as you didn't fire more than a few magazines in quick succession. The heat buildup along the slide and frame from the gas return system turned that bad boy into a hot potato. Accurate, yes. Reliable, yes. User friendly, no, not if you used it for sustained fire. Ask some of those who carried it for years, and had to qualify using it. I never had that problem with a Sig.

I'll second that hot potato. The gas piston located above the trigger gets hot fast.

In the end that is what it comes down to. What works for you is what you should choose. I don't love the roundish feel of the P320. I would have preferred a different design but I like it better than Glock.

Just a couple of things:

1) The 1911 GSR was pre-Cohen. The problems with those were the people at Sigarms thought they could tell Caspian to build them a 1911. They used all Caspian parts, all of which came in out of spec. After he came over, the 1911 line got relaunched with in house slides/frames and mostly in house parts + more features and less money. That fixed 90% of their 1911 problems.

2) I don't think there was any way for the P250 to work when it was released no matter what. It was a completely 100% new concept that no one had thought of and should have been what the P320 is now. I'm not sure why they went with a light DAO instead of a striker, but no one's perfect.

3) Sig has been outlawed by the German government to export any guns outside of the EU. It's not that they've stopped the Mastershop. They can't bring any over no matter how much they or us want to.

'Export ban' for arms maker SIG Sauer over Colombia guns - BBC News

I think the majority of Sig's QC issues during the Cohen era was the Exeter, NH plant was originally built to just build P229s and slides for the P series with German built frames. Eventually, that same Exeter plant became responsible for everything. In the last few years, they've built a much larger facility that's capable of the task and can be expanded far easier than the older plant they started with (I think that's turned into the Sig Academy, but someone would have to check into that).

Also don't forget that the trigger has a rectangular flap that blends into the frame. And that's to that, you get two SHARP corners that stab into your trigger finger during recoil. I'll try to get pictures of that.

My first duty gun was a sig 229. Splendidly accurate but had more jams than the Smuckers factory.

The department traded the older guns (mine was 10 years old when I got it) for 229R's. Jams went away but so did the revolver like accuracy. Good gun though. I was sad when we got rid of them after 3 years for glocks.

Yes the original GSR was pre-Cohen but you are glossing over the problems that were still around once the production was moved in house. I had a Gen 1 GSR and it was a tack driver. Mine ran reliably but the extractor pin walked out on me and rendered the gun inoperable. I called Sig and asked for a replacement extractor so I could swap it out and they said it had to come back to the factory because it is not a user serviceable part. It is still that way on the current Sig 1911 but they seem to run better. I sent it to them and sold it after I got it back and verified it ran.

It however took a while for the Sig 1911 to be considered reliable. It was not as simple as moving the production of slides and frames in house. Most of the small parts are subcontracted. They do not do MIM in NH but they certainly use a lot of MIM parts. It was and is a perfect case where Sig allowed the buying public to do their QC. The original GSRs sold to the public were test guns when they could not make them run reliably they changed course with no relief to the original beta testing public. This continued with the P250, P238 and even the P320.

It is not the concept part of the P250 that failed it was the gun itself. They could not even get the mag capacity right before they shipped them. They could not pass the ATF pistol trials and had to be removed. Sig actually had the nerve to protest based on the claim the ATF put to much importance on reliability. IMHO the modular part of the pistol which carried over to the P320 is still basically a failure on the commerical level. It just is not as practical as it seems at first glance.

Yes they have been banned from importing German guns into the US which prompted them to move production of higher end guns like the P210 to the US. The Legion line is there to fill the gap. Let me clarify. When I referred to Sig moving all its production to the US I am referring to Sig Sauer, Inc not SIG Sauer GmbH. I should have clarified. I did allude to the fact Sig Sauer, Inc can no longer import guns Mastershop guns from Germany but I did not give the details. Thanks for filling them in.

And IMHO you would be wrong. One of the biggest source of QC problems was their heavy adopting of cost cutting MIM in the beginning of the Cohen era. The parts were cheap ****. They were so bad even Bruce Gray has made several comments about their poor quality. He will not even work on a P238 because of the inherent issues with the design and the inability to ensure long term reliability. At one time he was developing a line of steel tool replacement parts for the P series because there were so many know issues with the basic configurations. This had nothing to do with assembly it had everything to do with production. MIM used by Sig today is much better so much that basic steel tool replacement P series parts were never put into production by Gray Guns. It took a lot of parts failures for Sig to make this change.

Another example of bad QC, in Sigs quest for economy of scale they went to all stainless steel slides. There were known issues with the extractors on the P220STs but Sig moved all P220s to milled stainless steel slides anyway, because the tooling for the carbon steel slides in Germany was nearing end of life. They did not fix or redesign the extractor. Tons of failures. No recall they fixed them one at a time often more than once on the same pistol. It did not get fixed until the moved to the internal extractor.

The OC on the P250 was horrible when they first came out. The first 3 gens were basically beta testing on the buying public. IT is a reliable pistol these days but the damage was already done. Again I believe if not for the parts commonality with the new P320 Sig would have dumped the P250 by now. The same was true for the P238. Sig rushed both guns to market before they were ready yet never acknowledged the products has systemic problems which were corrected in later versions. using the same exact playbook once the issues were brought to light Sig fixed the P238 enough to keep them moving off the shelf. Its unique place in the market kept people buying them IMHO but the early days were rough.

They did the same thing on the rifle side. The botched the 556. The Sig556R and the 556Xi have never been reliable. With the new MPX has already had 2 versions which are not fully compatible. The list goes on and on.

It was not just production capacity that caused problems for Sig. It is their overall QC and their overall design and beta testing that has caused them a fair amount of problems.

Even among Sig enthusiasts the smart ones wait a year or 2 to touch one of their new designs because they have been burned in the past. Sigs MIM is better these days. They are in a process of change IMHO. They are still good guns. Even in their worst days the chances of getting a good P series gun was extremely high if you knew which problem children to avoid. Their new designs although initiative have almost all had significant teething problems. To me that means they still have QC issues. YMMV

Everything he just said 100%

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One thing that you all should know and I am not by any means a brand homer.

However, The Sig P series in anything is meant for the .357 sig as the Smith and Wesson is meant for the 40 caliber, as the Colt is meant for the 45 ACP.

To experience the Sig in its intended purposes then the .357 Sig is really the only choice. Hence why they are rare and harder to find than say the other calibers. I can confidently say that a Legion is in my future. Those look like great pieces.

The problem with this concept is that most of the classic P series guns were designed prior to in invention of the .357 Sig cartridge which IIRC was in 1990. The P220 in it original 9mm and 45 ACP, P226 in 9mm, P228 in 9mm and the P230 in 32 and 380 auto. IIRC the only two "Classic" P series guns introduced after the invention of the 357 Sig where the P239 and the P229.

The SP2009 and the SP2022 were designed for 9m. The SP2022 specifically for the French Police. The P250 and P320 are designed to de everything to everyone. They are not built around a caliber but a concept.

I can understand your love for the round but most of what Sig gas to offer predates the round so they are "ment" to be shot in 357 Sig. They are harder to find because they produce less of them then any other caliber because they sell less. The round is not very popular in the mainstream and they have very few contracts for it in comparison to 40 S&W or 9mm.

I hear what you are saying but the following agencies use the Sig .357.


United States Secret Service
Federal Air Marshals
Bureau of Industry and Security
Delaware State Police
Montana Highway Patrol
Texas Ranger Division
Virginia State Police

The 357 Sig round rarely will ever fail, it is the best of both worlds. Its ballistics is as strong as the 40 caliber with the nimbleness of the 9mm. They have a neck so they rarely every fail to fire. The rounds are not mass produced as say the 9mm but when compared to the 40 caliber round it is an easy choice.

If you have shot the .357 Sig round then you will know that it does not recoil as bad as the 40 cal. and packs the power of round with the firing characteristics of the 9mm. It is about the most perfect handgun round every made. Oh, and I own a p228 in 9mm and a SAS P229 in .357 sig along with multiple 40 calibers, but yeah firing the 9mm and 40s is a lot more economical.

What I was basically saying is that certain gun makers should be experienced in those true rounds for which they were designed.

IMO

The best 9mm ever made and the most accurate is the Browning Hi Power
The best 40 cals are of course the 3rd gen Smiths
The best 45ACP are of course the 1911s
The best .357 Sig round is of course found in the P Series Sigs

If you do not own any other guns then make sure you own these makers in those calibers. You will be much more happier....

I have shot .357 Sig and have owned a P239 and a P229 with a 357 Sig and 40 S&W barrels. It is a fine round. Most people who use it like its ability to penetrate windshields and similar barriers. It makes sense for them and they will most likely continue to use them but look at the size of those agencies. If, however, you add them all up and you are talking about less than 12,000 handguns and none of them are replacing those guns annually. I would estimate every 3 to 5 years would be about right so listing those agencies actually proves my point. How many guns in 357 Sig are those contracts demanding year in year out? 2,000 -3,000 at most which for a volume model company like Sig is a drop in the bucket compared to larger contracts and the commerical market for 9mm, 45 ACP and 40 S&W.

Compare them to say NYC who has 40,000+ officers who are authorized to carry the P226 in 9mm. Then Nassau county who carry 9mm Sigs, 3000, and Houston PD, 4000+, who can carry 40 S&W Sigs respectively.

Then add to it the French contract for the SP2022. They ordered 270,000 SP2022 pistols. The following year, the U.S. Army's Tank & Armaments Command placed an order for 5,000 pistols.

Show me a contract for even 100,000 Sig Pistols in .357 Sig. I can tell you now you don't have to waste your time looking because there isn't one.

It is however IMHO a problem looking for a solution today. This might not have been the case in 1994 but the 9mm JHP bullet has come a long way. You seem to really like it great but your reply does not address the inaccuracies of your original post. The only two guns that support your tenuous claim are the P239 and the P229 both which were developed around the same time as the 357 Sig.

IMHO today's 9mm JHP ammo performs better than it did in 1994. They are getting closer to what 40 S&W was in the early 90s. The FBI and a lot of other agencies are going back to the 9mm. The 40 S&W market is weak. If you look around 40 S&W guns are not moving like they used to. Its weakness will only drag down the .357 Sig as well. There are only a few things that the .357 Sig can do that +P 9mm Sig can't and .357 Sig comes at a cost of reduced capacity. If one of your needs falls into that narrow range, like the need to penetrate auto safety glass, then the .357 Sig makes sense.

It however does not make the .357 Sig the foundation or the base of the Sig P series line. It was an attempt to bridge the gap between 9mm JHP and 40 S&W JHP but with the improvement of 9mm 147gr penetration and expansion that gap is much smaller today and the .357 is getting squeezed out. You clearly like the Sig P series guns in 357 Sig. I personally have not found it to be a better shooting round in Sigs then say Glocks. I prefer Sig ergos but that is a subjective criteria which I would never claim to be a universal truth. IMHO YMMV

I agree the .357 Sig is a wonderful round for self defense and LEO's, my agency has 16 years and counting of excellent street results with it in the Gold Dot 125gr's. Best thing? You get 9mm +P+ performance (akin to the old Illinois 9BPLE 115 gr JHP load) without the +P+ pressure slamming your pistol into an early grave.

Yeah, it makes the gun a bit heavy and gives off a bit more blast, but the troll trying to murder you is also getting it on the other end. Besides, whoever said carrying a 1911A1 loaded with 8 rounds of 185 gr to 230 gr JHP's was exactly light, either? Reverse engineer your carry needs; I think first of what I would want on my hip if my life was about to end at the hands of some idiot like James Holmes or Seung-Hui Cho, realizing that relative weight, recoil and blast are not as important as putting that threat away *now*...what do I think would be critical for me to have in my hands in those fleeting few moments?

It makes carrying a P229 or P226 in .357 Sig seem extremely reasonable and an effort worth putting out for.

Just one old Irishman's take....

I have shot hot 40 cal. and 9mm rounds through some of my guns. I like the Sig 357 round because I can put 10 mass round shots in the bulls eye a lot faster than I can with a 40 or 45. I just like the way it feels and the way I shoot it seems to confirm to my style a lot more. If I could only have one gun it would probably be the p229 or my BHP 9mm. They are the most accurate for me to use and I can confidently put a shot where it needs to be 90+ percent of the time. Accuracy to me is more important than potency which is why I would imagine sky marshals use them. Plus the Sig .357 models tend to be less available than there 40 and 9mm counterparts.

That's not the same as "being designed for". Like the original P220.....designed for 9mm, not 45. Originally 9mm in the early 70s with a heal release. They were sold here as Browning BDA. Later Sig changed to the side push button release and then to 45. 357 Sig is about 20 years younger than the P series

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true but the P229 with its forged frame has to be designed for that round as the original P228 was for the 9mm.

Sig made a P220 with a European (heel) release in .45 before switching to the American (side) release . . .

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