Anyone Have Any Russian or "ComBlock" Firearms to Share?

Warren Sear · #**101** 08-07-2016, 05:13 PM

Here is a Soviet .22LR bolt action rifle I got in the early 90's. I purchased it from Century Arms for $30 IIRC. It came with the cool cotton web and leather sling!

I have never seen another one like it. Any information that someone might have about it would be appreciated.

les.b · #**102** 08-07-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyphil

les.b I would be interested to know where/when you learned Russian.
I was a cryptographer with USAFSS and NSA back in the 50s and worked
around & with Russian linguists.

Phil:

It's hard for me to imagine that you could have been working back in the 50s!!!

As to my Russian, well, that's a long story in itself. I grew up next door to a family that spoke Russian, part of the time, anyway. The dad was Russian, and the mom was a Yugoslav, if I remember correctly. I ran around with the son, and was over at their house a lot, and so I suppose I was exposed to Russian at an early age, and on through my teens.

My mom's education was as a French teacher, although she worked as an accountant, first at the Treasury in DC, and later here in WV, plus she had learned Italian to a degree because she was an opera buff. She was always drilling me in languages when I was a little guy. When I went to college, I studied French, but then after I began teaching at the university, they were offering Russian language courses, and I began to audit them, just out of curiosity.

We also had exchange students from Russia, and I got to know them, and they would hang around my office, and they helped me practice what little I knew. I kept up with these lessons for several years. Then I met a Russian police official when he was visiting here with a delegation back in the mid nineties, and we hit it off, and exchanged presents back and forth via the exchange students, who were from his city.

In 1998, I had retired from police work, and was teaching full time, and he invited me to visit him in Russia for a few weeks. Well, that first visit was about three weeks, and I was on my own, with folks who spoke a very little English here and there, but this was a chance to practice my skills in Russian. I went back several more times, but my friend passed away, and although I still have friends over there, I haven't been back for awhile.

That's probably more than you wanted to know, but it's a really long story, and it wasn't something that just happened over night!!! Off and on, over the years, I would spend time trying to review my skills, but since I don't have anyone to practice with, I am forgetting more and more everyday.

Red Square, May, 1998... In front of St. Basil's Cathedral (Собор Вас******************************** Б********аженно********о). Me on the left, then Slava, next a friend of ours, Nadia, who is an expert on the Kremlin history, and was giving all of us a history lesson that day... And Luba, Slava's wife. One of the dozens and dozens of things that we did together in Russia, that helped me with learning not only some of the language, but the history and culture do the country.

Best Regards, Les

Art Doc · #**103** 08-07-2016, 05:42 PM

les.b- It's a very short carbine. No bayonet because the barrel is too short for one. I think it's a 16" barrel and the regular SKS has a 20".

I forgot this one.

PS: Found a photo comparing the two. This short one has a short bayonet. Nine has no provision for one.

les.b · #**104** 08-07-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

Here is a Soviet .22LR bolt action rifle I got in the early 90's. I purchased it from Century Arms for $30 IIRC. It came with the cool cotton web and leather sling!

I have never seen another one like it. Any information that someone might have about it would be appreciated.

Warren:

That is indeed a beauty!!! The TOZ is not just a rifle that they exported, but one that they use themselves. I had a chance to fire one while I was in Russia on one of my visits. I have a picture somewhere, and will post it if I can find it.

Thanks for sharing,

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**105** 08-07-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SaxonPig

les.b- It's a very short carbine. No bayonet because the barrel is too short for one. I think it's a 16" barrel and the regular SKS has a 20".

I forgot this one.

SP:

Thanks, to be honest, when I started this thread, I hadn't looked at some of my own guns for awhile, and I'm going to have to do some homework. I knew that your SKS looked a little different, but couldn't put my finger on it.

That Steyr is a little beauty!!! Thanks for posting it.

Best Regards, Les

jack the toad · #**106** 08-07-2016, 06:47 PM

Cool thread with some enjoyable pics. Brings back some memories from the good old days.
As for Comblock/Chicom stuff other than some AK kit builds, I currently only have one Mosin-Nagant (hex receiver from the 30's IIRC), one Viet Nam era SKS (milled chinese) and one dewat SG43 with wheeled mount. (I don't recall if Romanian or Polish)
Like a lot of folks from the 80's thru early 90's when everyone had beaucoup of the stuff cheap, I never got into the handguns as much as rifles, etc. but did have a few Toks and Maks. Until a few years ago, I had several of the demilled DSHK kits but when the price got crazy, I decided to liquidate. Wish I had some more.
ETA:
Sorry, no pics.

BigBill · #**107** 08-07-2016, 07:00 PM

I wish they made a cz75 pistol I'm 7.62 tokarev.

joebiker · #**108** 08-07-2016, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBill

I wish they made a cz75 pistol I'm 7.62 tokarev.

I'd buy one.

les.b · #**109** 08-07-2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jack the toad

Cool thread with some enjoyable pics. Brings back some memories from the good old days.
As for Comblock/Chicom stuff other than some AK kit builds, I currently only have one Mosin-Nagant (hex receiver from the 30's IIRC), one Viet Nam era SKS (milled chinese) and one dewat SG43 with wheeled mount. (I don't recall if Romanian or Polish)
Like a lot of folks from the 80's thru early 90's when everyone had beaucoup of the stuff cheap, I never got into the handguns as much as rifles, etc. but did have a few Toks and Maks. Until a few years ago, I had several of the demilled DSHK kits but when the price got crazy, I decided to liquidate. Wish I had some more.
ETA:
Sorry, no pics.

Jack:

I know...it was crazy back then, the one thing I wish I had done more of was buy crates of ammo. Sealed in those spam cans, inside those cool wooden crates, it would last for a hundred years. I remember the motto back then was : "Buy 'em cheap, and stack 'em deep!!". Well, I did to a certain extent, but in retrospect, not as deep as I ought to have.

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**110** 08-07-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBill

I wish they made a cz75 pistol I'm 7.62 tokarev.

Bill, that would be awesome. But is be happy with one of those very first ones that are posted above, from back when it was still "Czechoslavia" instead of the "Czech Republic".

Somehow that just seems more like the way it was originally designed.

Best Regards, Les

jack the toad · #**111** 08-07-2016, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Jack:

I know...it was crazy back then, the one thing I wish I had done more of was buy crates of ammo. Sealed in those spam cans, inside those cool wooden crates, it would last for a hundred years. I remember the motto back then was : "Buy 'em cheap, and stack 'em deep!!". Well, I did to a certain extent, but in retrospect, not as deep as I ought to have.

Best Regards, Les

Aw heck... I'd forgot about the ammo.
Some of the norinco and euro stuff was cheap. A class 3 shooters delight.

les.b · #**112** 08-07-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jack the toad

Aw heck... I'd forgot about the ammo.
Some of the norinco and euro stuff was cheap. A class 3 shooters delight.

I still have a couple of class 3 firearms, and back then we shot them a good bit. I had a very good buddy at the time who was a class 3 dealer, and he got in all kind of exotic guns to "demo", which mostly meant that we would go out and shoot thousands of rounds of that cheap ammo up.

Those were the days!!

Best Regards, Les

Warren Sear · #**113** 08-07-2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Warren:

That is indeed a beauty!!! The TOZ is not just a rifle that they exported, but one that they use themselves. I had a chance to fire one while I was in Russia on one of my visits. I have a picture somewhere, and will post it if I can find it.

Thanks for sharing,

Best Regards, Les

I find it interesting and puzzling that they stamped "MADE IN USSR" in English rather than Russian on the receiver. Any Idea why they did this?

les.b · #**114** 08-07-2016, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

I find it interesting and puzzling that they stamped "MADE IN USSR" in English rather than Russian on the receiver. Any Idea why they did this?

Well, it's just speculation on my part, but I think that it was just simpler for them to do that to a rifle that they were going to use domestically, but for which there was also a foreign market, i.e., us. I have seen things, and things other than guns while I was in Russia, that were being sold to Russians, but that were also being exported to English speaking countries, but mainly the US.

For example: chinaware. I have bought China in Russia to bring home, and not in a tourist store, but in a department store catering to Russians. Some of it was labeled in English, "Made in Russia" (I was not there before the fall of the USSR), even though it was being sold to Russians.

Heck, I wanted something marked in Cyrillic lettering, .... I could buy the other stuff off the internet.... What fun would that be?

Don't know if that answered your question, just speculating anyway.

Here I am shooting with the Moscow Police in the Spring of 1998, with a TOZ .22 rifle. Unsure if it's the same model as yours:

Here is your rifle for comparison:

Hard to tell from the pictures... I'll bet they were the same or similar.

Best Regards, Les

ditrina · #**115** 08-07-2016, 09:00 PM

Pre Ban Norinco 56S factory " 66 "

les.b · #**116** 08-07-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ditrina

Pre Ban Norinco 56S factory " 66 "

ditrina:

Whoa!!! That's a really nice one. And the drum mag is a great touch too...

Those items that came in in the 80s, were largely responsible for firing my enthusiasm for "ComBlock" and "Russian" firearms, ammo, accouterments and so forth. Not to mention that they were really cool in and of themselves. My generation had been in Vietnam and faced these firearms, and a few had made it back as war trophies, but not a lot. Some had come back from Korea in duffle bags, but again not a lot.

And then, one day, here we were, able to buy, at decent prices, brand new versions of these exotic firearms. And until 1986, we could have them converted to full auto, or avoid the $200 tax, and leave them as they were.

P.S.: somewhere I still have a pre-ban PolyTech, with the milled receiver.... I'll try to post a picture of it soon

Talk about kids in candy stores!!! What a time!!

Thanks for sharing with us!!

Best Regards, Les

Warren Sear · #**117** 08-07-2016, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by les.b

Well, it's just speculation on my part, but I think that it was just simpler for them to do that to a rifle that they were going to use domestically, but for which there was also a foreign market, i.e., us. I have seen things, and things other than guns while I was in Russia, that were being sold to Russians, but that were also being exported to English speaking countries, but mainly the US.

For example: chinaware. I have bought China in Russia to bring home, and not in a tourist store, but in a department store catering to Russians. Some of it was labeled in English, "Made in Russia" (I was not there before the fall of the USSR), even though it was being sold to Russians.

Heck, I wanted something marked in Cyrillic lettering, .... I could buy the other stuff off the internet.... What fun would that be?

Don't know if that answered your question, just speculating anyway.

Here I am shooting with the Moscow Police in the Spring of 1998, with a TOZ .22 rifle. Unsure if it's the same model as yours:

Here is your rifle for comparison:

Hard to tell from the pictures... I'll bet they were the same or similar.

Best Regards, Les

Yes, those rifle do look similar, especially the front sight, bolt handle, and the stock.

Take a look at the face of this wrist watch I bought at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin. It is a Soviet military watch and was definitely not made for the tourist trade, because that didn't exist yet. That night after I got it and was examining it closely, I noticed "MADE IN USSR" printed in English along the bottom of the watch face. I was incredulous!

As an aside, the guy who sold me the watch had a bunch of other USSR stuff, and I bought a Soviet army shirt from the Afghanistan war, a cap, and a bunch of medals. The guy asked me if I wanted anything else, and said he could supply anything from a AK rifle, to a fully operational tank! I told him I was fine with what I had.

les.b · #**118** 08-07-2016, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

Yes, those rifle do look similar, especially the front sight, bolt handle, and the stock.

Take a look at the face of this wrist watch I bought at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin. It is a Soviet military watch and was definitely not made for the tourist trade, because that didn't exist yet. That night after I got it and was examining it closely, I noticed "MADE IN USSR" printed in English along the bottom of the watch face. I was incredulous!

As an aside, the guy who sold me the watch had a bunch of other USSR stuff, and I bought a Soviet army shirt from the Afghanistan war, a cap, and a bunch of medals. The guy asked me if I wanted anything else, and said he could supply anything from a AK rifle, to a fully operational tank! I told him I was fine with what I had.

Warren:

Watches!!! You want watches??!!! Ho, boy, that was something that I brought home plenty of. Forgot all about it til you reminded me! I don't have any pictures here, but I'll take some. I still have about 8 or 10 of them. You could buy them all day long from vendors on the street in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Or get a better quality in the department stores (Magazines) that catered to Russians and not tourists. $9 or $10 each, I brought them home for the boys, and as gifts for all my friends. Self winding with a rotor, similar to auto wind watches like a Rolex, but obviously not the same quality. But they worked, and I still have some.

On one of my trips, I took a river cruise (partly canal) from Moscow to St. Petersburg on a river boat. The trip lasted over a week, and one of the little towns we stopped at had one of the factories that made the watches!! We were there long enough for me to buy some more watches. They are small, don't take up much suitcase space, and make great gifts.

Military stuff was also big on the streets, and you could buy stuff like you were talking about in Germany.

Best Regards, Les

Cyrano · #**119** 08-07-2016, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Cyrano:

Yet another rare bird!!! These just keep getting better and better. Keep them coming!!! That is yet another that I'm nut sure I've even heard of.

Best Regards, Les

For three years I towed that thing to every gun show I attended. Never got even a nibble on it. I don't think anyone knew what it was and how rare in that condition. finally gave it up, and put the rifle back on the rack.

Warren Sear · #**120** 08-08-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Warren:

Watches!!! You want watches??!!! Ho, boy, that was something that I brought home plenty of. Forgot all about it til you reminded me! I don't have any pictures here, but I'll take some. I still have about 8 or 10 of them. You could buy them all day long from vendors on the street in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Or get a better quality in the department stores (Magazines) that catered to Russians and not tourists. $9 or $10 each, I brought them home for the boys, and as gifts for all my friends. Self winding with a rotor, similar to auto wind watches like a Rolex, but obviously not the same quality. But they worked, and I still have some.

On one of my trips, I took a river cruise (partly canal) from Moscow to St. Petersburg on a river boat. The trip lasted over a week, and one of the little towns we stopped at had one of the factories that made the watches!! We were there long enough for me to buy some more watches. They are small, don't take up much suitcase space, and make great gifts.

Military stuff was also big on the streets, and you could buy stuff like you were talking about in Germany.

Best Regards, Les

Hahahaha!!! Yes, I probably still have about 7 or 8.

Here are both sides of a self-winding "amphibious" KGB watch with only Russian Cyrillic (no English) text...

Warren Sear · #**121** 08-08-2016, 12:27 AM

A few more. The last one I got in the mid-90's, says "MADE IN RUSSIA", and that one was probably made for the tourist market.

Warren Sear · #**122** 08-08-2016, 12:57 AM

Here is something from Magadan in the Russian Far East, but not a weapon in any sense of the word!

Relatives of a Russian friend of mine were here a few months ago. She could barely speak a word of English, but through others explained that she wanted to ride in my Jeep with the doors and roof removed. She also asked if she could drive it, and of course I let her.

She was tall, slim and good looking, and she moved with incredible grace. (sigh...........)

scoobysnacker · #**123** 08-08-2016, 10:12 AM

Ok, I said I would find some pictures to post

I have an affection for the 9x18 round, as many others do in this thread. Like has been noted, there is a tremendous amount of history tied to these little pistols! Also noted, these are great bargains, when you consider the quality of the gun vs the cost to obtain (at least, a couple years back).

Here are my P64, PA 63, CZ 82, and East German Makarov. There is no rust on any, the red is something the camera put in. I have since replaced the left grip on the PA 63 with a "correct" style, made by Tillander- it perfectly matches the right grip.

Since we're able to go beyond just military, here's a commercial Baikal double stack I found at a pawn shop for under $200. It needed a firing pin, which was as easy to replace as a grip screw (gotta love the Russian emphasis on workability)

Warren Sear · #**124** 08-08-2016, 10:23 AM

Egyptian AK on the left. As far as I can tell, these are Identical to Russian-made rifles, and were made on Russian tooling by Russian-trained technicians.

The rifle on the right is a Chinese Norinco.

Both rifles in 7.62 x 39 mm.

jack the toad · #**125** 08-08-2016, 10:28 AM

Having had a Maadi, Norinco and Polytech, I cant help but like a good AK.

scoobysnacker · #**126** 08-08-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Bill, that would be awesome. But is be happy with one of those very first ones that are posted above, from back when it was still "Czechoslavia" instead of the "Czech Republic".

Somehow that just seems more like the way it was originally designed.

Best Regards, Les

Les, if you appreciate the CZ 75 as pictured above (as I do), then I strongly encourage you to check into the current crop that Cole's Distributing (CDIsales) has on Gunbroker.

I bought my first CZ 75 a few years back from another vendor, and love it (it's my personal favorite and the last I would ever sell). My son also does, so since he's coming of an age to start getting his own, I thought to pre-emptively get him one, before he ran off with mine

I did a thread on the one I got him, I am thoroughly impressed with it. For right at $300, we got one made in '89, with some finish wear. All numbers match, barrel is sharp, gun has Czechoslovakia marked on it. It came in filthy, but a can of brake cleaner fixed that.
The beauty of the Cole's guns vs the other importers, they stamp their import mark on the left side of the barrel, not on the frame or slide. Until you break it down to clean it, you literally never know it's an import.
It shot fine, I still changed the recoil spring just for the heck of it. It now runs as well as you could ask of any gun, very accurate.

And the finish wear- like my son said, "character". And the CZ was made tough- the steel was parkerized before the final polycoat/enamel finish was applied, there is no actual harm to the steel, just some chipping of the paint in spots. One day, we're going to have both of ours stripped, polished and rust-blued, but for now they remain working beauties.

mic214 · #**127** 08-08-2016, 10:47 AM

I have a Yugo SKS and a Russian M-44:

Arik · #**128** 08-08-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

Egyptian AK on the left. As far as I can tell, these are Identical to Russian-made rifles, and were made on Russian tooling by Russian-trained technicians.

The rifle on the right is a Chinese Norinco.

Both rifles in 7.62 x 39 mm.

That has been a long running myth that has been debunked. It was like the myth of the triangle 1 symbol. .. /1\ ...meaning that the rifle went to E. Germany. Turned out it was just a refurbishing facility in Russia

Nice rifles though

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Warren Sear · #**129** 08-08-2016, 06:14 PM

^^^ What myth are you referring to???

fdw · #**130** 08-08-2016, 06:25 PM

I only have one but I really like it! smooth shooter...

les.b · #**131** 08-08-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

A few more. The last one I got in the mid-90's, says "MADE IN RUSSIA", and that one was probably made for the tourist market.

Warren:

Yes, those look like the watches that I bought. A couple seem identical. I'll have to round them up and take a couple of photos of them. One of the makers was "Vostock" in Cyrillic: "Восток", and their trademark was a "B" in a circle, sort of like the @ sign, if you replaced the "a" with a "B". I see it on one of your watches. There are many watch and clock manufacturers though.

Best Regards, Les

Arik · #**132** 08-08-2016, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

^^^ What myth are you referring to???

Maadis made/helped made by Russians. Even the machinery is suspect.

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les.b · #**133** 08-08-2016, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scoobysnacker

Ok, I said I would find some pictures to post

I have an affection for the 9x18 round, as many others do in this thread. Like has been noted, there is a tremendous amount of history tied to these little pistols! Also noted, these are great bargains, when you consider the quality of the gun vs the cost to obtain (at least, a couple years back).

Here are my P64, PA 63, CZ 82, and East German Makarov. There is no rust on any, the red is something the camera put in. I have since replaced the left grip on the PA 63 with a "correct" style, made by Tillander- it perfectly matches the right grip.

Since we're able to go beyond just military, here's a commercial Baikal double stack I found at a pawn shop for under $200. It needed a firing pin, which was as easy to replace as a grip screw (gotta love the Russian emphasis on workability)

scoobysnacker:

Thanks for posting your cool ComBlock guns here. I too have several of the 9x18 Makarov caliber handguns, and they were among the first that I was able to obtain. I think it was back in the 80s, and I found a Chinese Mak. The only ammo that I could find at that time was Chinese military surplus, which came in little cardboard boxes with 16 rounds? I can't remember now, but I think so, and they were all separated by dividers and a real pain to get out of the box. Berdan primed of course, so no reloading.

We've come a long way since then, and the ammo is pretty much mainstream now, Americans are making it, lots of good imported, reloads LE ammo available.

Thanks for posting, keep checking back.

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**134** 08-08-2016, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warren Sear

Egyptian AK on the left. As far as I can tell, these are Identical to Russian-made rifles, and were made on Russian tooling by Russian-trained technicians.

The rifle on the right is a Chinese Norinco.

Both rifles in 7.62 x 39 mm.

Warren:

Nice AKs. Of course that is one of the most popular of the EastBlock guns, and I hope we'll see lots of variations!! Those two are nice!

I'm starting to feel bad, I have only posted like 4 of my own guns so far, I'm going to have to get busy. School starts next week, but I'll have to be there all this week, so won't have as much time to play with the computer as I did all summer!! I'm excited about this thread, though, so I'm trying to keep in touch.

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**135** 08-08-2016, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobysnacker

Les, if you appreciate the CZ 75 as pictured above (as I do), then I strongly encourage you to check into the current crop that Cole's Distributing (CDIsales) has on Gunbroker.

I bought my first CZ 75 a few years back from another vendor, and love it (it's my personal favorite and the last I would ever sell). My son also does, so since he's coming of an age to start getting his own, I thought to pre-emptively get him one, before he ran off with mine

I did a thread on the one I got him, I am thoroughly impressed with it. For right at $300, we got one made in '89, with some finish wear. All numbers match, barrel is sharp, gun has Czechoslovakia marked on it. It came in filthy, but a can of brake cleaner fixed that.
The beauty of the Cole's guns vs the other importers, they stamp their import mark on the left side of the barrel, not on the frame or slide. Until you break it down to clean it, you literally never know it's an import.
It shot fine, I still changed the recoil spring just for the heck of it. It now runs as well as you could ask of any gun, very accurate.

And the finish wear- like my son said, "character". And the CZ was made tough- the steel was parkerized before the final polycoat/enamel finish was applied, there is no actual harm to the steel, just some chipping of the paint in spots. One day, we're going to have both of ours stripped, polished and rust-blued, but for now they remain working beauties.

Scoobysnacker:

Thanks for the tip. I have been checking them out just now. If I were to get one, I think I'd leave it original. My CZ 82 has the same paint like finish, and while it's not the most esthetic, it is original, and I try to stay with the original look with these guns. I wonder if there is a cerakote finish which mimics the original baked enamel or whatever it is finish the Czechs use?

Thanks again...

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**136** 08-08-2016, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mic214

I have a Yugo SKS and a Russian M-44:

mic214:

Nice relics of the "Cold War"!!! Those are two classic examples of Communist technology and arms building that remain classic and timeless. Thanks for sharing with us!

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**137** 08-08-2016, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fdw

I only have one but I really like it! smooth shooter...

fdw:

Nice little CZ 70!!! Yes, they are sweet shooters, and in a readily available caliber: the .32 acp can be found pretty much everywhere. Thanks for sharing with us.

Best Regards, Les

Arik · #**138** 08-08-2016, 08:34 PM

What do you teach?

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les.b · #**139** 08-08-2016, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Arik

What do you teach?

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Arik:

I guess that question was for me. I have been teaching Criminal Justice full time for the last 20 years at a local university and community college. I was an adjunct, or part time teacher for 18 years before that, while working full time in law enforcement.

Best Regards, Les

S&W ucla · #**140** 08-08-2016, 09:09 PM

How about a Russian shooting a SIG? She can shoot too!!

Warren Sear · #**141** 08-09-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Arik

Maadis made/helped made by Russians. Even the machinery is suspect.

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OK, well, you could well be correct. I plead guilty here to simply parroting what I have read or heard. Thank you for the correction.

Warren Sear · #**142** 08-09-2016, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Warren:

Nice AKs. Of course that is one of the most popular of the EastBlock guns, and I hope we'll see lots of variations!! Those two are nice!

I'm starting to feel bad, I have only posted like 4 of my own guns so far, I'm going to have to get busy. School starts next week, but I'll have to be there all this week, so won't have as much time to play with the computer as I did all summer!! I'm excited about this thread, though, so I'm trying to keep in touch.

Best Regards, Les

I don't know if kit guns count, but here are three that I built in my shop about 4 years ago. Pictures taken before parkerizing and then Teflon/moly paint.

Warren Sear · #**143** 08-09-2016, 12:46 AM

Wail, lookie what I just dug out of deep storage (more where that came from)...

Warren Sear · #**144** 08-09-2016, 12:52 AM

Assembling an AK receiver, for anyone interested...

Warren Sear · #**145** 08-09-2016, 12:56 AM

More pics. I love it when a plan comes together...

Mexican Kerry · #**146** 08-09-2016, 01:50 AM

Here's another entry from Chicom heaven, these rifles are relatively cheap here but the price has been increasing lately. More Norinco clones, both gone now. I regret selling the 18.5" "SOCOM" as they were called, it was a pretty handy rifle for a heavy 7.62 base. But I have a buddy who really wanted it and he was willing to trade straight across for his new Gen 3 Glock 21 with a bunch of mags (I have a soft spot for that particular piece of tupperware).

scoobysnacker · #**147** 08-09-2016, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by les.b

Scoobysnacker:

Thanks for the tip. I have been checking them out just now. If I were to get one, I think I'd leave it original. My CZ 82 has the same paint like finish, and while it's not the most esthetic, it is original, and I try to stay with the original look with these guns. I wonder if there is a cerakote finish which mimics the original baked enamel or whatever it is finish the Czechs use?

Thanks again...

Best Regards, Les

Les, if you're interested in just touching up the CZ's scratches, time and again I see a fella (Walt Sherill) saying there's a duplicolor (a specific matte black), that is (practically) identical to the original finish. I've read several posts he's made on various forums (I've found it via google easily), and he lists the actual product # of the paint in question, and the way he's found best to apply it.

He says he gets it in spray can since it's thinner, then sprays an amount onto some tin foil as a reservoir. Then use a small hobbyist paint brush to apply, let it cure for a few hours, then lightly scuff with sandpaper to blend it in. Later oil as you would the rest of the gun.

He's posted photos and the results look great, you'd never know it was a touchup. If I remember, the one I saw him post had a chip the size of a quarter, and afterwards it wasn't visible. Before this offends any refinishing purists, keep in mind: the original CZ finish was basically an enamel, and you're simply filling in the imperfections with more enamel.

My son's has a couple small chips and some scratches, mine has one big chip on the back of the grip strap (my 82 has one on the front of the grip strap). As stated, there is a light gray parkerizing under the polycoat or enamel, that does just fine at protecting the steel. I've thought about doing that myself, but haven't gotten around to it, as the guns look fine to me.

It's a sub-$10 option, for aesthetic purposes, on a gun that is probably already as well protected as a park'd 1911.

les.b · #**148** 08-09-2016, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren Sear

I don't know if kit guns count, but here are three that I built in my shop about 4 years ago. Pictures taken before parkerizing and then Teflon/moly paint.

Warren:

Well, if it weren't for "kit" guns, we wouldn't have a lot of the variations that we have today. Import restrictions on full auto guns, even on the semi-auto variations and even on the parts kits now... Crazy ban on barrels for the parts kits and so forth, yes we would love to see guns made from parts kits. (I said it that way so the S&W collectors won't get mad at me... I have a S&W "Kit" gun myself!).

Anyway, you must have a great shop... Those are very professionally finished kits. Nice job, and they look great.

Thanks for sharing with us,

Best Regards, Les

les.b · #**149** 08-09-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mexican Kerry

Here's another entry from Chicom heaven, these rifles are relatively cheap here but the price has been increasing lately. More Norinco clones, both gone now. I regret selling the 18.5" "SOCOM" as they were called, it was a pretty handy rifle for a heavy 7.62 base. But I have a buddy who really wanted it and he was willing to trade straight across for his new Gen 3 Glock 21 with a bunch of mags (I have a soft spot for that particular piece of tupperware).

Thanks for the look at how the Chinese made clones of one of our favorites turned out. Those are both nice looking rifles.

Best Regards, Les

Hdhic · #**150** 08-09-2016, 05:33 PM

Here is a v/z 52 of mine. It was a bedliner special with an old stock that was so busted up I was scared of shooting it. I bought this stock from a guy in NY state. Very minor fitting was required. It's a shame with all the
ammo makers that no one makes 7.62 X 45. Very well made guns.
Hdhic aka Cliff.