Help me pick a duty shotgun.

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I'm wanting to purchase a shotgun for work (Law enforcement). I currently have a Colt LE6920 AR, but I'm also wanting a shotgun. I'm familiar with the 870 line of shotguns and I've had a 20ga 870 since I was 10.


I do NOT want the black synthetic stocks or anything that looks remotely "Taci-cool". I want the old school wooden stock. I've been looking at the 870 Police with the wooden stock and it can be purchased around $530. There is also a 870 "Hardwood Home Defense" shotgun that has a 18.5 inch barrel and I believe is a 6 or 7 round magazine for around $330. The police model only comes with a 4 round magazine but has a 18 inch barrel.


Is the police magnum really worth the extra money or should I just get the Hardwood model and save for ammo? If I did get the police magnum I would also get an extended magazine.
 
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My vote is for the Remington Police {professional} Model. If you like the Mossberg ,buy the 590 Model. There is a better quality parts set in both the better 870 and 590 over the cheaper models. You will be well served by spending the extra money now. If you can find a Mossberg Mill Spec {steel receiver} that would also be a worthy choice. Since you are use to a Remington, that is still my first choice.
 
If you can, take a hands on look at a Mossberg 500.

The safety is on top of the receiver, and the slide release is behind the trigger guard. Both can be manipulated without taking your hand off the grip.

Much easier in the dark.


I have looked into the Mossberg 590 A1 and I even qualified with it during our yearly shotgun course. It's a very nice shotgun but I didn't like the heavy weight of it compared to the 870. Don't get me wrong, weight helps for recoil but to tell you the truth it all seems the same to me when pulling the trigger.
 
You must be a young person. That is a bottom ejector shotgun.


Lol, I guess you could say I'm young. I'm 30.

I actually just looked it up and found out that it does eject from the bottom. That would be nice for left handed shooters. Although I'm right handed.
 
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Every wood stock 870 I ever saw in a patrol car looked like it had been used to drive tent stakes. A duty shotgun gets knocked around a lot. If I was buying one to have by my side, I'd get a Mossberg 500 with a top folding pistol grip stock and factory extended magazine.
 
If you've shot an 870 since a kid you need to stick with it. Learning a new style of operation is a bad idea at this point.

Don't overlook the used market for police trade in 870's. Great value and they are tanks anyway. Have an armorer check it out and maybe replace some common wear parts


I remember looking at some police trade ins at Gander Mountain I believe, but they were pretty banged up and they really wanted top dollar for them.
 
Stick with the 870, you can always change or add things except for the magnum receiver. I owned/shot an 870 for 10 years before being convinced the pre-64 model 12 was a superior shotgun. I short stroked the Model 12 ever time I was duck hunting. The Model 12 stroke is about a half inch longer than an 870 and my muscle memory kicked in with the the adrenaline of hunting.

When you need a shotgun in a job situation, you don't want muscle memory to interfere with your performance.
 
Hey Partner! Just curious: your job doesn't issue a SG for duty use? Be safe. Check 6.

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My current department does not issue everyone a shotgun. I think only Sgt's and Lt's. get issued shotguns and ar's. My last department I worked for did issue 870 police magnums to everyone.
 
Lol, I guess you could say I'm young. I'm 30.


Jeepers! You're almost a teenager! :D I was 30 once, many, many years ago.

Anyway, here's a quote:

"The Ithaca 37 is based on a 1915 patent by the famous firearms designer John Browning, initially marketed as the Remington Model 17."

Enough said.


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One thing I would consider (if your departmrnt has one) is what your armor is trained to work on. If your LTs and SGTs get issued 870s and the armor is trained to repair them, I would stick with that in case you have an issue at the range, he can help repair. Unless of course policy states he won't work on personally purchased firearms. Then.... well.
 
...I own an 870...a mossberg 500...and a Winchester 1300...all are great shotguns...I would like to add an Ithaca 37 and a Stevens 520 to the collection...when I think duty gun I think Mossberg 500 because it has dual extractors...an ejector that can be changed with a screwdriver...and the carrier stays up out of the way when loading...some people say none of this matters...just my two cents...
 
Call Ed's Public Safety in Stockbridge, Clyde Armory in Athens, Dana Safety Supply in Sugar Hill and inquire about good, used LE trade-ins. Check out the ODT forum.

I know Dana Safety has a S&W Riot for under $200.00 that is missing a recoil pad.
 
Call Ed's Public Safety in Stockbridge, Clyde Armory in Athens, Dana Safety Supply in Sugar Hill and inquire about good, used LE trade-ins. Check out the ODT forum.

I know Dana Safety has a S&W Riot for under $200.00 that is missing a recoil pad.



Thank you! I'll have to look in those places.


I've used Ed's Public safety in the past when I would purchase blue label Glocks.
 
Each of the named brands have advantages disadvantages. Mossberg uses double extractors and an easily removed/replaced ejector whereas Remington's ejector is welded in....
Ithaca was once a "police standard" because of it's bottom ejection, very simple and "slick" operating mechanism, as well as lack of a disconnector that allows a trained operator to "slam fire" by holding back the trigger while pumping the action....very fast way to put serious lead downrange!
The Ithaca is also very compact.

Remington has the best mag tube/barrel idea which means one can add a tube extension without buying a new barrel or removing the OEM tube from the receiver.

But let me introduce another shotgun every bit as good and in many ways better...the Winchester 1897 or a modern production variant! Why? Because it's LIGHT...slender, compact, and even with an 18" barrel noticeably shorter than any "modern" design because the bolt retracts out the back of the receiver. It has an external hammer...EASY to note condition and no need for a safety. EASY to load due to the loading port being complete CLEAR, and just as easy to unload by releasing shells via external buttons. The gun is reliable, and certainly "proven" in combat.

But MY question is...if you're buying your own, why would you CHOOSE a pump action over an autoloader? I mean, this question, across ALL types of firearms was settled in favor of AUTOLOADERS a LONG time ago, so why are people still choosing a pump for combat purposes?

Believe me, there are a LOT of superior designs that function with greater reliability than any pump...same reason we choose an M16 over a bolt gun, or a Glock over a revolver....the autos have been proven time and time again, IN COMBAT to be every bit as reliable and more so, while adding the far superior component of being able to rapidly put accurate fire on target. The action of manually pumping a shotgun induces pronounced muzzle disturbance...and of course a semiauto shotgun NEVER "short strokes" due to "muscle memory!"

Also, many foreign made autos are of superior quality and design yet amazingly affordable. I have a stable of pump guns...and even lever shotguns and doubles, but my "combat" shotgun is a Linberta SA with extended (Remington extension) mag tube. With a 20" barrel it holds a total of 9 rounds, has ghost ring sights, top rail, weights about 7 pounds, has an oversized operating handle, as well as action release. It's gas system is self-regulating, annular ring piston design that transitions from shooting Winchester AA Trap loads to 12 pellet 00 Buck S&B, and Rottweil Brenneke style rifled, non-discarding sabot slugs....as fast as one can yank the trigger! The autoloading action takes a LOT of kick out of the gun and makes it actually FUN to blast away with the heaviest loads....rifled slugs group into a few inches at 50 yards firing offhand.

And yes, I know Remington and Mossberg both also make excellent autos....my favorite from that stable would be the Mossy 935 3.5 inch magnum chamber stoked with Lightfield Commander 1-3/8 ounce slugs pushing over 4,700 lb-ft of KE....but of course that's a bit of overkill considering a 2-3/4" 1-1/8 slug is ample medicine for human predators and of course a tubular magazine can carry more of those.

And I haven't even touched on the Saiga design which also has a proven track record with the advantage of detachable box/drum mags.


The reason I'm looking for a pump shotgun is because I feel they are simple and they work. Plus I have no experience with auto shotguns. I'm no expert in SG's but I've been told you can shoot a pump just as fast as an auto loader if you use the recoil to help bring back to pump.
 
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