MOSSBERG 590 Shockwave $389.00 Shipped

I'm more interested in the mini shells than the shotgun itself.

If this one is legal, why can't I cut one down to that size legally?

Its legal because it was never a shotgun as the law sees it. It was not made with the purpose of being fired from the shoulder, so the barrel length is not regulated. It still needs to be 26" overall length, the same as a regular pistol grip Cruiser. The length is just distributed differently.

If you cut yours down you have created a short barreled shotgun.

It doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
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If the need arose that shotgun would be difficult to
explain to some copper not up on guns.
Handy...but I will pass.

That's why I live in Missouri.
Don't have to explain to LEO's or anyone else why I own any legally purchased firearms.
CCW or open carry is legal here with no permission needed from the state as long as you are not a felon or illegally in the U.S.

God Bless the Free State of Missouri.
 
All I know is that I don't have the desire to shoot a 12 gauge in that configuration. 20 gauge maybe. Pistol grip is bad enough.

As shown here, conventional home defense shotguns are no more difficult to handle than a pistol or AR.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APnhoIYeD0[/ame]

As for as having one for a collection? Maybe.

Also, the mini shot shells don't always feed well in some shot guns. Tested them a few years ago in semi auto and pump guns and had problems. Don't remember the brand of guns. Been too long ago. I would suggest buying a box to test before stocking up on them.

Don't mean to derail the thread. Just some random thoughts.;)
 
What a silly gun.

Wonderfully so!!!!! Picked mine up Wednesday. Fine and dandy with low brass...not so entertaining with high brass. I have a Remington 870 with a 12 inch barrel SBS with all the correct paperwork and it is a 72 caliber carbine. My question on this Mossberg I just got is...at what length does the sticky outie thing in the back become a stock? Could it be ordered with a 2 inch longer "not stock" and a 2 inch shorter barrel? Just wondering how far this concept could be pushed? As for being "silly", so what? I see people doing things daily that are silly to me. It is a fun little item to have and not too hard to come up with some useful purposes for it.
 
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As a side note, one of the reasons I got it was a conversation with 2 class 3 dealers and a SLED agent. This thing fits NO current specific S.C. law. The SLED Agent said there was no clear cut way to enforce vehicle carry because it doesn't fit any definition. It's a strange bird for the moment but I am sure it will be addressed soon. Remember the "street sweeper", they figured a way to get rid of it.
 
This letter is relevant as to why, with an overall length greater than 26", it might not be an "any other weapon" :

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/PistolGrippedShotgunLike.pdf

But since it is not a shotgun, why is it not a "Destructive Device"

(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;
(B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter;
 
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I don't understand any of the lawyer/government mumbo jumbo, that's why I bought one when I got the email.
Didn't look for one on any auction sites or outdoor supply stores.

I think it's a handy home / truck defensive tool.
Notice I didn't call it any certain type legal or suggested as such with tool.
Legalese is easy once I figured it out. :-)
 
Agreed. This isn't some creation of your Uncle Clem in his auto body shop. It's being sold by Mossberg and they assuredly did their legal eagle homework before starting series production, spooling up their marketing team, and informing their distributors. So debating the legality of the model seems like dramatic overthink. Buy and enjoy with the understanding that its legal status can change at any time e.g. SIG brace, street sweeper, 10/22 shoelaces, et cetera.
 
Someone made an interesting point online: the Mossy 500 Cruiser is the same 26"-ish length as the Shockwave, yet has an 18" bbl and is, on sale, about 1/2 the price.

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I'd say the Shockwave is a great example of how a few small changes can greatly affect handling qualities. The Cruiser has a vertical pistol grip, which is a lot harder on the firing hand than a straight stock like the Shockwave. Remember a Mossberg has a top side safety, hard to use with a pistol grip. The Cruiser also has more of it's length out in front of the support hand, which compromises maneuverability in close quarters. Kinda like the difference between a 4" barrel or a 10" barrel on a revolver.

The Cruiser doesn't have the strapped fore end, although that could easily be added after purchase for an additional cost. And it's not a 590.

Beside the truck gun aspect, I'm thinking the Shockwave would be a real nice RV or camper trailer gun, where space and maneuverability are at a premium.

I've experimented with a pistol grip on a 18.5" barreled 500, with & with out a pistol grip fore end to help with the recoil, and it wasn't a big improvement over a short regular stock as far as bumping around in close quarters. I imagine the Shockwave would be a lot easier to carry & bring to bear than the pistol-gripped 500.
 
big green...

i bought an 870 on a whim recently even though i already had one. the new finish is absolute ****. you can look at it and it will rust.

i'll take my chances on the mossberg version.

turns green. What happened to remington after they moved south? Greed??? Marlin and everything else they have acquired just don't cut it now. JMO.
 
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