quite a while back i started a thread on the Serbu Super Shorty. it got quite a bit of mixed feelings, and some harsh critique... so, instead of buying one, and filing a tax stamp, i passed. I did however just buy the new 590 Shockwave. no stamp as its a "firearm" not an "sbs" or "aow". gotta admit, not a lot of real practical use for it, but i wanted it. who knows, zombies may already be walking among us... recoil is as figured, a bit stout. the grip however is actually quite comfortable. got the opsol minishell adapter, and the lil shorty shells run just fine in it. 100 of them so far without a hitch. i'm thinking this will make a fine companion for the summer road/camping trips with my family. you never know when a snake or rabid beastie may need to be dealt with. i guess its hardly practical, but does serve a purpose. frankly, its just cool and i wanted it. for the record, these are hard to find. i got one with shipping for just under 400 transferred, so not a huge amount of cash. what say you?

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Congratulations. I handled both the Mossberg and Remington non-shotguns at NRA and was impressed.

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pretty much...
the more I shoot it, the better I like it... and without the tax. Tried the aguilla minis and now will procure the opsol. I think the slightly longer nobels will cycle without an adaptor, which should be good for the Remmy folks.

I don't how much mim is in the shockwave but I know one guy already had his trigger break on his.

I am saving for the Remington equivalent, and the lower power ammunition for it.

I was thinking Remington over mossberg, too, but then I got to thinking about the location of the safety. I think the mossberg with its safety mounted on the rear of the receiver might be easier to access than the Remington one mounted down by the trigger guard. Thoughts?

My reason for the weapon would be room defense or car defense. Great weapon for repelling carjackers, etc.

I am also a faithful follower of Mr Remington's 870. When I got to handle a Mossberg shockwave at the Bill Hicks Show in Minneapolis, I was hooked on the layout of the gun. The Shockwave grip lends itself easily to the top mounted safety. When you put a regular pistol grip on a Mossberg, I can't stand it, you can't get to the safety unless you totally change your grip on the gun. With the shockwave grip, it puts my thumb at the top of the grip anyway. I am interested in getting an 870 equivalent to see how the grip stretches out the hand and how easy it will be to get to the safety.

I don't "need" a small shotgun right now, so I'm going to hold off awhile and watch how this plays out.

Two things make me hesitant-

1. I don't really care for the safety's location. Might be convenient for use, but it seems like you run a big risk of tearing up the webbing between your thumb and index finger. Hickok45, a guy with bigger hands and a lot more shooting experience than me, has his hand bandaged up on his video due to that issue. I guess I just don't want the only think keeping this from knocking my teeth out to be the meat in my hand.
2. I also don't trust the various government agencies to just let this pass as a regular firearm. I don't want to get a letter in a few months saying "register or surrender"

Dedicated truck guns...

I agree, one should be hesitant about using tools improperly. Hickok45 said in the video that he was shooting the Shockwave one-handed purposely with a loose grip. I enjoy his videos and he's demonstrated excellent gun handling over many years, but even Hickok45 isn't exempt from the universal truth... stupid is as stupid does.

I followed the advice/technique in this Thunder Ranch video.

i'm NOT a mossberg guy... my son is named Remington for a reason. if my wife would have let me, his middle name would be 870. that said, ambi safety and 5+ 1 vs 4+1 made me do it. i will further test and beat this 590 to see if it'll hold up. mean time, an 870 with Hogue tamer pistol grip and fore-end will be the go to for road duty...

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my second is a 17...

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As I posted in an earlier Shockwave thread, the Hornady TAP 12 gauge load is super in this gun. While 8-00 buck at 1100fps may seem tame, the charge does not spread at 10 yards. Just a single hole in the target made me think it was a slug load. Controllable, also.

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Is the Remington available yet?

have not seen one as of yet, local or online stores. if i could have found one first, it'd been my first choice. sooner or later they'll figure out how to run shorter shells in it i guess... but that sealed the deal for me.

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Nobel mini buck 6P 2 1/4 inch shells have preformed well in my Shockwave.
Holds 6 in the tube vs 5 for 2 3/4 in.
They are rated at 1250 fps.

just ordered one from Palmetto State Armory...

Read more about the Shockwave on this forum by clicking here, here, and here. And here, if you want to keep going with it.

Thanks for condensing the threads like Readers Digest.

I was lucky enough to handle both brands a/b at a recent show. Specs aside, which show only a few ounces more weight with the 870, it felt distinctly more muzzle heavy than the Mossy. The easy ambi safety and rearset action release more two of my fave Mossy traits, as I show longarms LH.

Received mine and shot it a few days ago. First impressions are good although I need a lot of practice with it. Heaviest load was some #4 buck. Can't imagine an #00 magnum load through it .

Tried it from the hip and as above in the Thunder Ranch video and shooting up high is a little awkward on my right wrist. With practice, I'll get better though. I shot some aquila 7 1/2 through it and it was like nothing at all (all I could find in aquila minis). I've got some Exotic Shorty #4 buck ordered (couldn't find the aquila) and looking forward to trying them out.

Overall? Cool gun that will be deployed bedside and for show when guests are over for dinner...

Pleased with my purchase!

The location of the safety is the reason for my choice. I have shot nothing but Remington shotguns and rifles since I was 10 years old. I bought two Mossberg shotguns, and the top safety drove me nuts. I sold them, and bought an 870 and 1100. I always instinctively feel behind the trigger guard for the safety, I will make certain it is there.

Say hello to my little "friend". Picked this up back in May. Have
not shot it yet.

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As others have mentioned, the fore end strap seems like it might be problematic. Is it riveted in place? Cuz if I had one of these, I'd like to tighten it up (although that would make it harder to insert my hand in the first place), or replace the fore end with one with a pronounced hand stop.

Actually, a 2 3/4", 27 pellet-count #4 load weighs about 559 gr. A 9 count #00 load weighs about 484, so you already shot heavier than 00 loads. I like 20 pellets of #1, for 810 gr.

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It's screwed in place. Four screws. You can back them out and buff the holes down a bit. No worries.

3" #4 Buck is highly uncomfortable; 41 little sumaguns trying to break your wrist. I have not shot 2¾" and don't intend to. I use the Federal LE1321B (2¾" Low Recoil Flitecontrol #1B) and 158000 (3" 000 Buck)and the Winchester 3" #1 Buck. Super tight patterns out to 30+yards with the Flitecontrol, 000 patterns really well, 3" #1 maintains a good full pattern as distance increases and is available locally.

What load is giving you 20 #1 Buck? Sounds like a baby(2¾") magnum...share the good news!

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Show and tell is about the best way for the word to get around that you have things to steal in your home. If YOU can't keep a secret, don't expect anyone else to. While your guests MAY be trusted, many of us know parents that have kids with drug problems and steal to support their habit. I don't get the shorty rounds??? If recoil & less of a payload is wanted, why not go to a smaller gauge?

Because people don't realize that the reduced recoil load of 00 or #1 is better and recoils slightly more. Those little shells recoil more than Win AA Low Noise Low Recoil 2¾". Winchester 2¾" #1 Buck is the way to go for the recoil sensitive. There's a good pattern and manageable recoil.
Going to a smaller gauge is not an option in these short firearms at this time. I'm surprised that other folks haven't gone this route. Remington screwed up and chased Mossberg. They should have come out with a Wingmaster 2¾ receiver that was pretty and light and slick. They'd have killed it. Nobody really needs 3" in these guns. I'd give it up in a heartbeat for a slick fast 870 Wingmaster (not the express trash).

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What 14in configurations like the Shockwave are available in a smaller gauge absent requiring a tax stamp?

^^^^what he said. I don't know how realistic it is to expect a "family" of Shockwaves in different gauges. There is almost an infinite number of 12 gauge loads out there, many of which can serve for "serious social purposes" (in any 12 ga shotgun, for that matter). I know of only one 20 gauge buckshot load and one 20 gauge slug load.

Too, and more importantly, the entire Shockwave concept smacks of "one and done," given the legal territory it dances around, ATF letter or not.

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Thanks for the clarification, even though my ownership of such a beast is just a day dream for the nonce.

It's bad news on the mini-mags, they've been discontinued.

Winchester Double-X 2 3/4" Magnum #1, 20 copper plated and buffered .30 caliber shot, #X12C1B.

I've been going through the stash trying to sell off low-priority stuff, but when I realized there were no more of these to be had I figured I better hold on to 'em. If I had to guess, I'd say they were cut because people looking for that kind of load for hunting were buying 3" shells. In the venerable Mossberg 500, going to 3" shells makes you lose a round in magazine capacity.

Speaking of Mossberg architecture, I believe they use the same receiver for their 20 ga. as they do the 12, so you could just swap in some used 20 ga. parts and keep the same gun. Don't know if that'll work on the 590 model though.

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I can assure you that no one I show this to has any relations that would break into my home or steal my guns, I promise..

The plated 2¾"#1 from Winchester are done it seems. Darn. Plated is done for #1 all throughout Winchester and Remington. Federal loads it but I suspect that it's really​ #2 Buck from their 20 gauge loading...as it comes in closer to .28...
00 sucks for Turkey I'd like to see Flitecontrol plated #1 & #4 Buck make a come back. I have always liked plated shot because you could shoot and tell you'd hit if you were close to another hunter and it fell in front of them.
I'm not losing a shell with 15800 or 158000. I use a 2¾" 00 mag and then load four 3" and one in the pipe. I took the magazine spring retainer out and this became possible. You could also put a 2¼" Herters buckshot in the tube first and achieve this much easier. The 000 is difficult(tight) to get the fourth shell in but doable and it functions.
The reason the 2¾" mags are getting cut is there aren't that many 2¾" guns afield and the 3" and 3½" crowd are taking up the bandwidth. Still have 00 and #4B due to Home Defense and capacity concerns. Federal cut the #1 loading in 3½" and it was said to be the end all deer and turkey load. I would have liked to see a 000 loading.

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OMG what an awful thread. Comparing my two worst companies made my head swim.

I would not own any new Remington even if it was given to me free. That includes firearms and especially ammo. An OLD 870 was excellent, but they haven't made a good one in years.

Every shotgun I own is a Mossberg. I must clarify that all are old and all are USA made. The current firearms they market are not up to the standards set in the past. The foreign junk they sell is ****. The last one I bought was back to the factory 4 times and was never fixed. The customer service reps don't speak English.

Rant over. Stick to S&W.

So Smith and Wesson is making slide action shotguns???? I must have missed that announcement.

Also, Mossberg says they are American made. I must have missed that change too.

Quick quiz... What do they call the mythical, cave-dwelling being depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance?

I thought they had some Turkish over and unders.

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False. Both Remington and Mossberg make their shotgun in the USA. Even Mossberg cheapo brand Maverick is made in Eagle Pass, Texas.

I'm still trying to figure out what that 'mythical, cave-dwelling being depicted in folklore as either a giant or a dwarf, typically having a very ugly appearance' is ... That being said, mine has $140 towards it at the LGS awaiting my entitlement/SS check arriving next week. At risk of being chewed out for thread drift - has anyone seen or found a short scabbard for these little puppies? Mine will be moving around with me somewhat and I doan want to scee-ratch it up ...

Edited to add - I used that Googly thing and found a breachers scabbard on Amazon for $35 - it even has a few extra loops for shells. IF something were to happen in my humble abode, and BIG IF I were to have more than a few seconds to get ready, I'm thinking I would sling the Shockwave as a backup to my Clock which has a tac light on it ...

You might look at this:

Amazon.com : Voodoo Tactical Men's Breacher's Shotgun Scabbard, Coyote : Gun Slings : Sports & Outdoors

I have it. It fits well. The only thing I don't like is the single strap. That was easily fixed with the purchase of two backpack straps off the famous auction site for about $5. I can now actually carry it in my back like a pack if I chose to.

My range/pro shop had one by Explorer Tactical, 30" in length, holds the SW nicely. Model G28-BK. $21.99.

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I'm having more fun with this thing.... I bet I've shot the Shockwave more in the past couple weeks than I've shot my Winchester Defender in the last couple years or more. Never been a shotgun guy, only had the one Winchester.

The Thunder Ranch technique has quickly become more natural than I thought it would and is now pretty darn fast too.

Best $389 I've spent on guns in a while. And it actually serves a purpose beyond holding down the safe.

Truck guns...

I like my 8" AOW 12g...I think I need one of these Shockwaves as its bigger brother....

Pardon the thread drift, but I've seen several mentions of the doohicky that aids in feeding the Aguila mini shells. Is this a somewhat universal device, or is it model-specific?

I have an old, cheap but reliable S&W 916 with an 18 inch barrel, and the prospect of loading 8+ shells is interesting.

It appears the "Opsol" device is for Mossberg/Mossberg type only.
IIRC, Aguila mini is 1-3/4" and requires the Opsol. Nobel makes a mini shell that's slightly longer (2-1/4") that reportedly doesn't require an adaptor.

It isa Mossberg/Maverick specific design. You could possibly fit it to another brand if it had a skeletonized elevator. The function of the device is to provide a bumper for the mini shell as it exits the magazine tube. With the shorter length and lighter payload, they are unstable in their orientation on the elevator without the device. They can flip around and become reverse oriented and unable to chamber properly. These rounds eject rearward loaded and forward when empty so a big change in center of gravity​.

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I just picked up some exotic shorty #4 buck that is 1 3/4 from Cheaper than Dirt. Haven't shot them yet.