Buds has these for $298 and free shipping. Remington has a $100 rebate through Nov 18th. FYI

Anyone have any thoughts on these? I’ve noticed them and with that rebate it seems like a heck of a deal. I’ve heard of reliability issues that may not have been fixed in the new models.


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$198 for the pistol?

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I checked one out today when I was picking up my RM380. It's a nice looking pistol and the quality seems very good. I just couldn't get past that grip safety. If you don't mind that and the Rube Goldberg disassembly it's a good deal for under $200.

When the gun was introduced it was a pa Kate of defects. Remington redesigned it and remade it. Supposedly it is OK now, but I do not have ones and cannot confirm. I have the RM380 and it is a dream EDC gun.

I own the new release and like it a lot.
I've read of mag related issues but have not had those problems myself.
I'd buy one at $300. The $100 rebate makes it a no-brainer.
$200 for an alloy framed, single stack CCW in 9mm is too good to pass up, IMO. The take down and reassembly is different, not difficult. Once you understand it, it's like any other pistol as far as ease of cleaning.

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I had a few FTF's at the start but shooting a few hundred rounds seems to have broken it in. No functional issues with it lately. It also gets easier to strip and assemble after break in but I would not say it's as simple to do as a tilting barrel gun like the Glock 43.

Since I have an R51 I don't need another, but I've seen low prices on the RP9 full size and it has the rebate too.

I picked my R51 up Wednesday. I have not shot it yet, just tore it down to look it over and it seems well made. I will have to say that they do not go back together nearly as easy as the Remington video show, but it is not real bad.

I have had a RM380 for quite a while and I think they are a very good pistol, especially for $150 or less.

Any chance I could bother you for a few more thoughts? How does it shoot? Easy to carry? What is the market for holsters?

Sorry for all the questions, but this little all metal single stack intrigues me. I’m really tempted to get it for this steal of a price but the wife will kill me if I buy it and don’t carry/shoot it much. I just weaseled my way into buying a bunch of mags/holsters for my Sig P238 so I could carry it everywhere and have reloads, so I’m gonna have to be really convincing.


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I bought the version 1 as soon as it was available. BIG mistake. To their credit, Remington did make it right, full refund including shipping and transfer fee.

Fast forward 18 months or so. I purchased the version 2. The difference is like night and day. I love this gun, perfect for EDC. Easy to conceal, all metal, easy to manipulate the slide, designed for CC.

I have about 800-1000 rounds through it without a single failure. I mean that, not ONE failure of any kind. It is in my EDC rotation.

Does that mean you don't like the 1911s either? Same principle.

I imagine the mods will move this to the "Other Brands" subforum where it will get more response.

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Oh well, what the hell.

Well, I just couldn't pass it up.............I have no "need" for another 9mm!! I read all the reviews I could find on line and couldn't find anything bad enough to stop me. Should have it in a week to ten days. I'll get back to you!!

Me either...I gave in after reading more reviews!! I’ll share my thoughts once I get this neat looking compact 9mm.


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I just held one today (didn't buy it, didn't dry fire it.) The grip safety is a lot more "intrusive" than a 1911 - it had a stronger spring and goes in with a noticeable click. A good firm grip should deactivate it, but you feel it more than the grip safety on a 1911. It bothered me, but I think I would get used to it. I do not think I would have to adjust my grip to activate it, I just think it would be irritating for a while.

That is pretty dang cheap. I like the concept so I'm somewhat tempted.

That said, I really can't support the microsubcompact single stack 9mm phenomenon when you can find double stacks that are every bit as small, or in some cases smaller! A Keltec P11 is smaller in every dimension and lighter than the R51 while holding 12+1.

I rented one the day the new issue showed up at my LGS. Had 50% failure to fire. Ammo was not the problem as all went off in a Ruger P85. Shop later said it did "better" after they cleaned it, but still not 100%. I can tolerate failures to feed during a break in period, but not to fire. That said, I may pick one up and play with it at this price as I really appreciate the ergonomics and the reduced perceived recoil resulting from the heavier frame and the Pederson action.

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I need ammo, not a ride.

I have had two. The first was a bundle of trouble, finally got a refund. Fast forward 2 years, looked like they had solved the problems. Bought my second one. Functioned great, but accuracy issues. Groups looked more like shotgun patterns. Finally got tired of spending time and money, sold it at a large loss and have not looked back. There will never be another Remington firearm of any type in my small inventory.

I figure for $200 I can't take too large of a loss!!! LOL

The RP9 is a jammomatic and unsafe. One would be better buying a hi point

The first ones based on John Pedersen's original designed worked flawlessly. Even George Patton carried one on occasion. It was given to him by Gen. Kenyon Joyce during WWII. Col. Charlie Askins Jr. also owned and used one.

John

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It's not that I don't like them, I just don't want one on my carry piece.

Well, I got mine today, and so far it’s all good news!



I was only able to fire about 50 rounds out of it (a mix of WWB FMJ and Sig Sauer V-Crown JHP) but they all functioned just fine.

I’ve been seeing a mixed bag of reviews about the Gen 2 R51, but supposedly the remaining feed issues (mostly nosedives) have been addressed in a recent release of a new magazine about two months ago. I can’t speak for everyone, but mine had no issues when firing.

Some notes:

Some owners have noticed that it doesn’t like to be loaded by racking the slide on a full mag (will sometimes stick), the owners manual says to lock the slide back, insert the mag, and load via the slide release. No problems this way.

I didn’t really notice a difference in felt recoil (actually is pretty snappy) but the muzzle rise is a lot less. This makes follow up shots a lot faster and made me feel a lot more accurate than I really am.

Speaking of which, accuracy was as good as I’ve come to expect from my other ‘fixed barrel’ handguns, which is to say pretty dang good.

I really like that this gun is all metal and hammer fired (internal). Concealed carry profile is great, very slim and relatively lightweight, should conceal very well once my holster gets here. It’s bigger than a Sig Sauer P238 but smaller than a Glock 26, which is all I really have to compare it with.

The trigger is good but not exceptional. It feels a little ‘soft’ for single action.

Haven’t tried taking it down for cleaning yet but I hear it’s a bear...

Overall, I really like it! Assuming it holds up with continued testing, I think it’ll earn a spot in my carry lineup. For a brand new gun with a lifetime warranty, it definitely is worth the $228 I paid for it with the rebate and FFL fee, and then some.


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Sorry for the double post, but some post-cleaning notes:

It’s really not that hard to take apart and put back together again...complex, yes, but if you can wrestle a 1911 back together, you can do this, too. Not recommended for arthritic hands unless you have a vice, you do have to hold the recoil spring in tension for a bit while fiddling with other stuff.

While I didn’t take it apart initially, I did notice the gun was pretty dirty...as in, way more than the usual one or two rounds to make sure it works. Both mags were dirty as well. It looked they had run both through fully loaded. If so, good on Remington for stepping up the quality control and making sure that both magazines fully cycled.

It’s a filthy shooter. Gets a lot dirtier than any other gun using the same ammo. Probably has something to do with the Pederson design.

After shooting and cleaning, it now will chamber a round just fine by loading the mag in and racking the slide, even if I ride it a bit. The manual does recommend the slide stop, though.

Still feeling good, no buyers remorse here! I’m actually thinking of getting the wife one with a set of pink grips (her request).


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Road Rat,
Any report on your R51 yet? After Dan's report I decided to pick one up. I went with the smoke frame, thought it looked better than plain black and might become a collector's item if Remington goes under some day. It's a very nice looking pistol but, it ain't no Shield. Here's my report.

Initial TD for clean/lube was as expected, a bit tough but pretty straight forward. Reassembly was about the same but I can see someone easily running the ejector up the back of the slide and bending it or marring the slide's finish.

First range visit - Fired 250+ rounds, both ball FMJ and Defense JHP, with only one FTFeed. That was on a last round and actually stovepiped that live round.
Trigger failed to reset at least once and as many as three times with every mag. A slight rap on the pistol would get it to reset. Turned out to be very minimal contact between the trigger bar and sear due to the bar being a poor quality, out of spec, stamped steel part.

Second range visit - Fired 125+ rounds with no fails, trigger reset is reliable now except is not audible or tactile at all. Only one minor issue, one mag locked the slide back a few times with one round still in it. The second mag never did this so it's the mag, not the pistol.

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Having to chamber the first round by leaving the slide locked back before inserting the mag is unacceptable. Just think about a tactical reload scenario after a jam. Loading only 6 rounds in the mag will allow the first one to chamber starting with a closed slide but why should we have to do this? Common Remington!

The grip/backstrap safety works but I find I need a perfect grip to activate it. The 1911 beavertail/grip safety works much better for me. Maybe some thicker grip panels will help this but I will never defense carry the R51 for this reason.

I find that dropping the mag is odd. Thankfully Remington designed it with an ambidextrous release because, as a right handed shooter, I have to completely release my grip in order for my thumb to reach/release it from the left side. My middle finger easily releases it from the right side but it does takes a pretty strong push. IMO a spring with half that pressure would be perfect.

Lastly, the trigger, when moved from side to side, feels like a loose tooth ready to fall out. IMO it doesn't look like Remington put much thought into it.

It's a fun range gun and is very accurate once you get used to the 12:00 POA. Mine needs a .050 shorter front sight to give a 6:00 POA but there are very few available and none are just a plain white dot like I want.

I'll say it one more time, it's pretty, however, It ain't no Shield!!!

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I really want one, but my Makarov is about the same size and is reliable to a fault.

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What would Jim Cirillo do?

Speaking from experience but if I had a choice between a makarov & a R51 gen 2. I'd pick the mak in a heartbeat. The Remington R51, in the event someone wants to sell in the future is going to lose out on some dough. But the makarov will always sell, and their value is going up.

And, they always work. Plus, they're pretty accurate.
Not to mention, I've owned the Mak for over 20 years.
It was paid for a long time ago.

Kinda like how I want a couple of 39 variations, but they don't come cheap.
Plus, I have the Mak, a CZ82, and a 6906 that all work just fine and don't eat much.

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What would Jim Cirillo do?

I was wanting to get one when the rebate was going but didn't have quiet enough play money at the time. I have the money now and will hide it until Remington has another rebate.