A New, Really small .45ACP 4+1 pistol

jeffpolaski · Nov 11, 2017

About a couple weeks ago, late at night and sleepy, I read a review of a new semi-auto (brand unknown) that held 4 rounds of .45 ACP in the magazine and 1 round in the chamber. Very small, very light.

OK, while I have a 5-round J-Frame, this looked like a little smaller pistol with five rounds, except it shot five. 45 ACPs

Can't find it on Google or in my browser history. Has anyone come across something like this, because it looks to me like the ultimate back up gun.

Going to go to sleep now and maybe dream the brand name, because I really want to find out more about it.

Ciao,
Jeff

Breakaway500 · Nov 11, 2017

Glock makes a pretty small .45, 5 shot..might be 6. The model 36. I have one..never shot it. It's not really "new" to the mnrket,though. My 30 is about as small as I want to go with the .45 round and actually use it.

6518John · Nov 11, 2017

That’s what i was thinking—that small Glock or this Springfield.
XD-S 3.3" .45ACP Pistol | Polymer Pistols for Sale

Sevens · Nov 11, 2017

If it's older you could be thinking about the Semmerling LM4.

Honestly... truly NOTHING quite like it. Manually operated repeater, very small. 4+1 rounds.

I think the concept has merit, especially when you consider the market back when the Semmerling was made. This idea is a darn difficult sell in this day and age, but you must give credit to this design.

Semmerling LM4 - Wikipedia

SATX · Nov 11, 2017

G36 isn’t exactly very small. I can’t imagine a very small 45 acp.

American1776 · Nov 11, 2017

jeffpolaski said:
About a couple weeks ago, late at night and sleepy, I read a review of a new semi-auto (brand unknown) that held 4 rounds of .45 ACP in the magazine and 1 round in the chamber. Very small, very light.

OK, while I have a 5-round J-Frame, this looked like a little smaller pistol with five rounds, except it shot five. 45 ACPs

Can't find it on Google or in my browser history. Has anyone come across something like this, because it looks to me like the ultimate back up gun.

Going to go to sleep now and maybe dream the brand name, because I really want to find out more about it.

Ciao,
Jeff

Is it the Heizer PKO 45?

18DAI · Nov 11, 2017

Boberg XR45 S? Not really that tiny. Slightly smaller than an XDs 45.

Save youself a lot of trouble and expense. Get a nice CS45.

Regards 18DAI

pharmer · Nov 11, 2017

American1776 said:
Is it the Heizer PKO 45?

That is a mighty small 5 shot .45. Joe

Andy Lowry · Nov 11, 2017

American1776 said:
Is it the Heizer PKO 45?

I bet that's it. I saw it talked about on a forum earlier this year, so there's been some chatter about it recently.

BC38 · Nov 11, 2017

That Heizer is pretty cool - and built in Pevely, MO - just about 20 miles south of where I went to high school in Oakville, MO.

0849 · Nov 11, 2017

BC38 said:
That Heizer is pretty cool - and built in Pevely, MO - just about 20 miles south of where I went to high school in Oakville, MO.

Interesting. I had never heard of Pevely, MO until a few weeks ago when I started ordering spare mags from Midwest Gunworks for my FN, now the name of that city comes up again. Guess I need to get out and about more

BC38 · Nov 11, 2017

0849 said:
Interesting. I had never heard of Pevely, MO until a few weeks ago when I started ordering spare mags from Midwest Gunworks for my FN, now the name of that city comes up again. Guess I need to get out and about more

LOL, since it is a little burg of about 5500 people at least 1400 miles away from Arizona, it'd be pretty surprising if you had heard of it.

Blackbarry · Nov 11, 2017

American1776 said:
Is it the Heizer PKO 45?

That Heizer is one ugly gun. Looks like a squished mushroom. Something Pinky Lee would carry. But no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

vigil617 · Nov 12, 2017

First I'd heard of the Heizer in 45 ACP. Cool little gun, but kinda pricey -- $900 from the distributor I looked at. 26 ounces and .8 inches thick, with a fixed barrel.

Fishinfool · Nov 12, 2017

Maybe a Detonics?

Larry

THE PILGRIM · Nov 12, 2017

Has anybody ever actually seen any of these guns?

dr. mordo · Nov 12, 2017

THE PILGRIM said:
Has anybody ever actually seen any of these guns?

Any of what guns?

A Glock 36 is not a small gun. It is almost exactly the same size as a Glock 19. I had one for a while, carried it in a G19 kydex holster.

An XD-S is surprisingly small, much smaller than a G36. They also have a better trigger, but I suspect they are a bit snappy since they are so small. However, I have not fired an XD-S, so that is pure supposition on my part.

ChattanoogaPhil · Nov 12, 2017

Never heard of Heizer until today. On their website they sell pocket size handguns chambered in .223 and 7.62 X .39.

Brasky · Nov 12, 2017

I don't see the purpose when a small 9mm carries twice as much ammo in the same footprint (usually thinner though)

The 45 is not superior enough to the 9mm to sacrifice half the capacity

Mistered · Nov 12, 2017

The model 36. I have one..never shot it

Sell it before you do - worst auto I have EVER shot. I'd much rather carry (and shoot) a five shot J frame than a G-36.
Funny thing is there are some who say a five shot revolver is marginal for self defense then buy a low cap mini .45 that is hard to control and shoot accurately.

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