Rig is complete with 3 magazines (FXO), loading tool, original, numbered to the gun wood stocks, an a jme 1941, WAA14 stamped holster.

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Very nice Bill! I like that box you have for it. I picked up one this time last year from my wife's uncle, all matching except mags, with original holster and tool. Mine is from 1916 and was used in WWI.

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I really like the helmet, but the gun is fantastic. My buddy collects German helmets, Bayonets, Lugers, WWI & WWII German rifles, especially snipers, Broomhandles, and P-38's. He has an extensive collection, and he sold me the BYF 41.

He had one German Mauser Rifle several years ago that he sold for $35,000.00.

I got the case and one for my 2nd Generation Colt SAA from Bill's Cases. Bill's Cases

Please pardon my ignorance. Who is byf; is that Mauser? Does anyone have a link to an on-line table, or a photo of one?

TIA.

byf is indeed Mauser Oberndorf, the original Mauser factory.

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Thank you, sir.

Here is a link to a truly exhaustive table of German manufacturer marks. There are some misspellings, but it seems accurate.

https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio...waastempel.pdf

Byf is one of the code names atributed to Mauser.

S/42 from 1936 to 1939
42 1939 to 1941
Byf 1941 to 1945
Svw 1945

Edit. On top a 1938 S/42 and on bottom a 1941 Byf

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You will notice that only the 1941 pistol is marked P.08 on the side.
Even though the P.08 was so designated since 1908 and produced for the Army since then, it only got marked when the newly accepted pistol (P.38) production really kicked in and started to be distributed in significative numbers in 1941.

The P.38 was a Walther product and it also had military manfacturer codes
480 for 1940 (only around 7000 produced)
ac 1941 to 1945

The P.38 was also made by Mauser (Byf and Svw)
And by Spreewerke code Cyq

A 1941ac coded P.38 from Walther:

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Very nice and excellent pictures. May I trouble you for the block letter?

That’s a nice gun Bill has, saw it in person. Is it a Black Widow?? He showed me how the loading tool worked so I bought a reproduction for the Luger my Father brought back from WW2. Fun gun to shoot, actually the one Bill has is too nice to shoot. Larry

im at work and dont recall it offhand. i'll post it up later when i get home. seems like it might have been "n"

The "black widow" Luger is a USA marketing invention. It doesn't exist.

They shoot good too.
https://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&sourc..._0IfIDrrAgp16d

Yes, they shoot good, but as original numbered parts may break, I'm really hesitant to shoot it. I've been told it's worth upward of $3500.00.

By the way my gun is # 4461 U

Mine is 8024 o

I won't buy a gun that I will not shoot. The firing pin of the one I'm shooting is not matching. But was fitted to the gun. I shoot it in competition, Lugers used to be service pistols here. We had a batch of Byf 42 (the last ones made) delivered in 1943.

That shooting session was training for a match, with this goal in mind.

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I'm the same way with mine, I haven't shot it yet due to all matching parts. I may end up shooting at least a mag just to say I have shot it. But it'll stay in the family either way. I made that promise to my wife's uncle.

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The first Luger I ever owned was a byf41. Cost me $100. All match except the 2 mags. Came with holster, belt and skate key. Great condition.
That was in '70 I think,,maybe '71.
Still have it and shoot it once in a while. Shoots great with Rem-UMC 115fmj. No hiccups. Pretty good trigger too.
Had the LP08 out recently, DWM 1917,,good shooter too, but the rear sight vernier kept running up as you shot from the recoil. Weak little coil spring in there,,I'll leave it alone, it's been like that and just a range toy anyway.

That BlackWidow moniker was from Ralph Shattuck. He coined the phrase back when he was running his 'Ralph Shattuck's World of Lugers' buy/sell collectors business. Made for some interesting reading, but as said it was simply a collectors marketing phrase.
Same with the post WW2 French made 'Grey Ghost' P38's.
Grey Phosphate finished P38's complete with phosphate finished steel stamped grip panels. Made at the Mauser plant post WW2 under French control before the Russians took it over.

Nice looking pistols pictured!,,what's not to like about the Luger....

Thanks to all who shared their World War 2 treasures. Hold onto em as prices seem to be steadily on the rise.

Russians never got near Obendorf. It's near the French border.

Likely made in February 1941. Mine's from January.

Always wanted to shoot one of the old Lugers.

One day.

Russians never got near Obendorf. It's near the French border.

Sorry,, Thinking of the Walther plant.
Mauser works dismantled, demolished and , imploded by or on orders of the French. Most of the useful contents carted off by the French (or other Occupation forces) after a year and a half of mfg and assembly of a few of the designs for French use.

Now you are correct.

Actually, you guys may just be garbling the elements of the real story at Mauser:

Production at the Oberndorf plant continued under French occupation and supervision into 1946, until strong Soviet protests compelled them to stop, because that violated the provisions of the Potsdam agreement regarding dispositions for the German arms industry.

So the Soviets were involved after all, just not the way originally described.

"...Now you are correct.''

Glad it's up to standard now.

Anyways, just as an homage to all the brave US citizens that helped put an end to pure evil.

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Yours looks very nice. Mine looks like it went to hell and back, twice.

This Hungarian captain has some of the best gun videos. Here is his coverage of the P-08 in both accuracy and penetration.

He also demonstrates disassembly and re-assembly.

One of the best Luger videos and he doesn't take forever to get it said, as some video makers do. His English is heavily accented, but easily understood.

I read somewhere that Portugal and maybe Spain, limit civilian gun owners to one 25-round box of pistol ammo per year. Is that true? If so, how can you shoot in matches?

Earlier Portuguese Lugers seen here are the 7.65mm versions with longer barrels and grip safeties. I think some bear the mark of King Manuel II. When did he rule?

I think most Americans don't know about the later Portuguese Lugers being the usual P-08 model. Are they marked in German or in Portuguese?

Glad to see you posting. Your English is admirable!

Now, I know of two Portuguese people. The other is supermodel Sara Sampaio. I've no doubt that Sara is better looking, but she probably doesn't know much about Lugers, ha! (But she is said to be a superb poker player.)

Mauser made some very nice P.08 pistols. I have an all-matching (except the magazines) S/42 dated 1936 on the receiver. 1936 was the last full year that the smaller parts such as the takedown latch, trigger, safety, magazine release and ejector were "strawed" to a golden color. It was done by simply doing a controlled heating of the in-the-white components.



The holster that came with the pistol is also dated 1936. Here is a closeup of the stamping on the back of it.

John

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Do any of your Lugers have slightly loose grips/stocks?

I've seen some. I think the wooden grips have shrunk a little.

An easy non intrusive fix for a loose grip is to cut a piece of rubber band and place it between the frame and upper part of the grip panel

That is only for guns registered in the collection permit.
100 a year for concealed carry permits
Unlimited for competition and hunting permits

All those of the Army contract (1908/9) had the crown over an interwined M2. Some were defaced after the Republican Revolution (mine was). There was also a Navy contract (1909/10), those were in 9mm with a 4 inch barrel but still had the grip safety. The pistols of the first half of the contract were marked with a crown over an anchor, the second half delivered after the revolution were marked R.P. over an anchor, this contract was of 500 pistols only.
Manuel II rule was very short, from the assassination of his father on February 1908 to his deposition on the revolution on the 5th October 1910.

American Luger collectors are very knowledge on Lugers. Many of them much more than me. The Portuguese P.08 are marked in German they were first intended for the German Army but were diverted to Portugal instead.

Thanks for the cumpliment. And... you are luckier than me. I don't know any supermodels.

Edit. My M2

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The grips on the only one I own presently are tight. I have encountered some loose ones on WWI examples I have owned in the past. Rather than shrinkage, I believe that it's usually due to over-tightening of the single retaining screw, compressing the wood beneath it until it no longer offers resistance.

I've studied the Axis handguns in some depth, and have acquired a few representative ones from Germany and Japan. They are all quite interesting.

John

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Went back and corrected my previous post. On the ammunition limits. Had it wrong the first time.

I love the "straw" colored parts on Lugers. Makes a classy pistol even more classy.