Sometimes;...perhaps because I have lost count of exactly just how many tumblers of Scotch I've had; this place can bring out the most hilarious responses to a thread ever uttered / typed by mankind !

((In light of today's social attitude make that "person-kind".))

This thread is one of those times. The Scotch by the way is celebratory, due to picking up a 1968, like new 10-5 nickel snubby just this very day.

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Or the VA. Mom forgot to change her mailing address when she moved to a retirement community and the forwarding order expired in the interim. Ninety minutes later she was transferred to a 30 minute wait for the person who could actually change her address on her 1099R . . .

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What manual was in the box? I gots to know.

years ago I purchased a 8 2/8's model 27-2 in the presentation case-brand new. The manual enclosed by Smith showed a picture of a Model 27 but it was with the 3 1/2 " barrell. Never could get a proper one with the 8 2/8 barrel gun shown-and this was before internet and when calling Mass. was LONG DISTANCE

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I sold my pair of Ruger Vaqueros because they had blackhawk manuals in the cases.

Nawww just kidding, actually traded them because the grips were too chunky for the wife.

For me no. I don't buy guns for boxes, and papers. I buy them to shoot them.

I honestly didn't know they came with a manual.

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Did it come with a manual?

I bought one of the first Ruger Mark IVs and the manual that came with it was for the Mark III. I called and was sent a new manual immediately. I've had super service from Ruger, especially after having to send my gun back for the Safety Recall. It took them 1 day to fix it and to send it back to me.

The last time I sent my S&W back in for service it took 8 weeks.

Both are great companies. Lighten up and enjoy your new pistol.

Who needs a manual to work a revolver?

It's not like it's going to be worth something someday. Nobody is ever going to collect old Rugers.

A little early to be trolling on a Sunday isn't it?

Ive been up since 5

Then why wait?

I bet folks said the same thing when the NRA was selling USGI M1 carbines to it's members for $19.95. Especially since over 6 million were made and by companies that made car parts and typewriters and hardware parts and juke boxes.

Priced a collectable USGI carbine lately?

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Yes, I bought a Saginaw gear carbine last year

I have come to this post nearly every day for my morning laugh. It very vividly displays the helplessness of some to understand that people make mistakes and it is time to overcome and adapt.
If Ruger ever reads this post and can identify the OP, hopefully they send a manual in Japanese and this thread will continue to live on forever.

Sorry for your trouble, OP. In fairnes I have to add Ruger was very accommodating to me the couple times I've contacted them including sending me grips and a front sight for my SP 101 357 gratis. Best, Joe

It has been many years but I have had several dealings with Ruger Customer Service, including sending an old 10/22 back for a factory re-blue. It was 100% first class every time.

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Next time the OP should just buy a Smith. They never get the revolver manuals mixed up because...AFAIK they have a "one-size-fits-all" manual...good for J-Frame thru X-Frame. Once you have one of those, it won't matter if any of your subsequent purchases come minus a manual.

Off topic but, how did the re-blue turn out?

The question no one has asked- what manual WAS included with the gun?



Are you going to sue them over, as you say, as $.47 manual? No, so they're not concerned.

On the flip side, it does say on every barrel, "Read The Instruction Manual." On most of my Rugers it says they will provide one free of charge.

I seem to remember you saying that they told you they were sending one. What's the problem? I agree that they should send you one. Overnight? Not so much.

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I LOVE YOU GUY'S!!! This is the best Forum in the old U.S.A.

Wow, man! You have to pick your battles. If this is a big issue for you, you should give thanks often and in earnest that you don't have real problems.

I've got to know, has the OP been given permission yet to shoot the gun by his wife (or is it mother)?

Ruger fanboys doing a Chernobyl is the bestest thing ever


Two weeks rapidly approaching still don't have the manual for the model I purchased.

WOW! Millennial by chance? Don't think I have ever seen a post like that on here. Ever stop and think that some of us old guys have worked a lifetime for what we get? Forty four years for me and it's six digits thank you very much.

Manual arrived today


If anyone is thinking of getting one you should know that apparently the barrel is not purpose cast but taken from the .357 and while the very minor difference between the .357 and 9mm is just fine for self defense work-civilian that is-it may be or probably would be noticeable should you be wanting the longer barrel for target work. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will post about this.

But more importantly the gun 'apparently' is not approved for +p ammo and I post this because; for the .357 Ruger specifically states that .38 +p is acceptable ditto for the .38 special however for the 9mm +p ammo is conspicuously absent. Only 9mm Luger is approved-in fact the wording is : "The RUGER* SP101 chambered in in 9mm Luger is -only- (bold/underlined) compatible with the 9mm Luger cartridge. Do -not- (underlined) use any other 9mm cartridges (9mm Short, 9mm Bergmann, etc.)"

Should anyone disagree I would be most interest in reasons why.

AND this perhaps is the best reason why one should select Smith and Wessons-Smith tells me that any modern gun is fine with +p and I am unable to find info to the contrary in any modern revolver manual.

Forged is stronger than cast and the gun thats 'built like a tank' maybe not so much...

There is a big difference in pressure between a 38 special +P, and 9mm +P. The 9mm is already at 30K, +P 35K while the 38 +P is around 20K. Barrels, and cylinders on Rugers are forged.

I would have to see the full wording, but it would appear that using 38 short in a revolver that headspaces on the rim is not going to work out so well. As you have posted it would appear that Ruger is telling owners to only use 9mm Luger cases, which +P is loaded in a 9mm Luger case.

Does the manual specifically state to not use +P 9mm.

Well let the pigeons loose about the manual. As for the rest of this post, I gotta admit I'm pretty confused. Your previous posts, not in this thread, alternately praise and bash Ruger, and alternately praise and bash Smith & Wesson. It appears you worked for Smith & Wesson at the factory back in the day checking cylinders. It's unclear if that helped or hurt your opinion of the brand.

Where are you on this? Tracking your position is like herding cats . . .

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What do you mea by "modern" when talking about S&W pistols? I have a S&W that is a .38SPL and S&W told me that +P or greater pressure rounds should NEVER be fired in it.

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Any company tries to do all their service on the net. FAQs are often NOT the question I have. If they can put you off to the internet, they will.

You feel outraged, for a good reason, but unless you want to return it or challenge them by going to the BBB or something I'd go to the website and see if what they have is correct. Honestly, I'm glad the manufacturers have the stuff online, that way I don't have to mess with people, who are lazy and unreliable.

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I am surprised that they did not stick a manual in the mail, it would not have been that hard and it would keep a customer happy. That being said I would have just downloaded the manual. My experience with Ruger customer service has been very good (1 time) A few years ago I had some trouble with my 25 year plus year old Red Label over and under shot gun, called Ruger and they said ship it to us. The hardest thing was finding a box to put it in. I shipped it to them on my dime and they fixed it at no charge and shipped it back at no charge. I can't think of to many companies that would do that with a 25 year old product.

Troystat, perhaps the problem was that the issue had such a simple solution.

I do have a preference for Smith and Wesson revolvers in general and for the older ones in particular. Certainly some of the reasons are 'emotional'/personal-Smith allowed thousands of families to live well and securely and but for this job I would not have gotten through undergrad and grad school.

However Smith and Wesson differs from Ruger in fundamental ways both in the revolvers and Company policy.

Smith and Wesson differs 180* in the right direction from Ruger and this cannot be intelligently disputed.

Only one Company stands behind their products in writing

Only one Company specifically states, in writing, that their modern revolvers are approved for +p ammo with the exception of K frames made prior to '58 ?? and this is available for all to download on page 11 of the Smith and Wesson Modern revolver manual.

AND only one Company continues to manufacture using a process which is universally acknowledged to be stronger and more expensive.

This Company is Smith and Wesson.

I have repeatedly posted that Ruger makes good guns and that we only carry Ruger revolvers (but remember the reason) and that we trust these revolvers to work when needed.

It was posted that Ruger offers no warranty as they wish to 'dance to their own music/tune' this is the best summary I have ever read for this highly unusual business practice

But boys and girls with Ruger being allowed to do their own thing, dance to their own tune means that they can change the tune any time they wish-and they have done this.

Its just that Smith and Wesson the Company and Smith and Wesson the revolvers are superior and this can be quantified.

Best not to confuse opinion with fact. I own both by the way.

Then you own one which is better quality than the other;research-read and discover for yourself.

Certainly we agree that there are fundamental differences between the two Companies?

gsn,
Sell that gun. It sounds like it may not be the best choice for your needs.
Possibly a,
Taurus 905
Comes with written LIFETIME REPAIR GUARANTEE.
I see nothing that prevents you from shooting +P ammo

Taurus International Manufacturing Inc

The facts are that Ruger customer service has changed. For all you guys who praise them for CS I challenge you to contact them for any part or service for a Six series revolver. You will be met with a very rude response. Go ahead and try it. S&W still has parts for revolvers 100 years old and they aren't rude.

There's things I like about each of them. Nothing I really don't like about either. The no warranty thing with Ruger doesn't bother me. I'm sure if I had a problem they would fix it if they could.

Sorry you had a bad experience. I had a Mercedes that was a piece of ****.. but I'm sure others swear by them.

Well, you're right about that, but it ain't S&W. Only one gun company has a written lifetime warranty on the gun and will repair it free of charge regardless of the issue. That company is Ed Brown.

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I asked it. See post # 53

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Your post begs the question
"Why the hell did you buy the gun then???"
I really want to know....unless this thread is just you trying to troll the board in which case you are doing a pretty good job.
BTW you still have never told us what gun the original manual in the box was for.

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Wow! All you really need for your gun is bullets. Don't sweat the small stuff. Life's too short.

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cajun, don't know you but I like ya- I have to throw you this-in a gentle and loving way- as a quid pro quo:

Watch Suel Forrester: Southern Lawyer From Saturday Night Live - NBC.com

OUTSTANDING

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IN MY 60 YEARS OF SHOOTING, THIS IS THE TYPE OF SERVICE, THAT RUGER HAS PROVIDED, FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER--- EVEN ON USED, WORN GUNS, THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE.....

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Yeah, but at $.47 I couldn't afford to buy it after I paid for the mdl. 10.

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Wolf, actually this is the type of thread that begs for "off topic".

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Not sure about EB but HP will replace a firearm even if it is the customers fault, even if the dog chewed up the gun.

I have never had to use Ruger CS, and have not talked personally to anybody that has. Plus on the internet most Ruger comments are favorable.

I usually ignore sporadic complaints about a company. If I didn't I would not be able to buy anything. But then I have extremely good luck with most things I buy, from guns to electronics. Not sure if I am the luckiest man alive, or complaints are over hyped.

Almost forgot, I did have one complaint a few years back, but considering I am still alive very minor complaint. I came to during the middle of heart bypass surgery, I guess the anesthetic was defective.

I have learnt in life that looking for the easiest solution is resulting in far greater happiness than concentrating on a problem and being mesmerized by it.

..since it was ADVERTISED that way.But since I'm not a collector, though I like the boxes, it doesn't make a lot of difference to me if it came in a paper bag if they'll knock a few bucks off.

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