oneounceload
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My last PSP was the older 4-digit one. Has the plum slide. Got it at an estate sale for ~$500; shoots great. As a LH shooter, I love the totally ambi characteristics.
I've always wanted an HK P7, so..........
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Wish HK would make these again. From what I understand it, the design is too expensive today and the original know how and plans are lost to time. It is effectively impossible to recreate today with our current level of technology without costing many thousands of dollars.
oneounceload
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I would think with today's computer systems and programs that it could be reverse-engineered; maybe not mass produced, but produced in enough quantity to make it financially viable. (Maybe not in Germany, but Portugal?)
p8riot
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I have had two, but just could not master the manual of arms. Sold the first one for $200 more than I paid for it six month earlier, traded my most recent one for an early '70s LNIB 4" blue Python, and haven't looked back.
Absalom
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Umm, guys, we’re talking about a gun that was produced until 2008, by a current company where most of the guys who built it likely still work, not recreating a dinosaur at Jurassic Park. Of course they could resume building it tomorrow. But for the official police and military market, which is of primary importance for European manufacturers, the design was quixotic, is now obsolete, and was controversial from the beginning.
Only two states adopted it. Niedersachsen (Nds) bailed out in 2002 and picked the P2000; they sold 13,000 of the P7’s back to HK for a pittance who exported them to the US. There is no market for new production that would matter.
I have to agree on the manual of arms statement.
A friend of mine just loves his and is always bragging that the P7 is the safest pistol made.
I have always felt that in the heat of a tense moment that the trigger could very easily get pulled at an inopportune time as you are "squeeze cocking" to fire.
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Recently an ex army guy now working in security told me he took a course, working in tandem. The guy behind him had a P7, and kept squeezing and releasing the cocking grip. That clicking noise in his back made him extremely nervous [emoji51]
Double-O-Dave
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As I recall, Greece and Mexico manufactured them under license from H&K, though I wonder if they are still being made or used in either of those two countries.
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Dave
Absalom
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In both cases, HK guns (not just pistols, but the G3, MP5, and light MGs) were built under license by state-owned plants exclusively for official use. I know the Greeks are currently assembling the HK P8. In any case, neither ever produced for the commercial market that I’m aware of. I’ve never come across a Mexican-marked P7 here, although I found some pictures.
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A former police officer and I both carried Colt .45 Government Models. However, any time we had to search a building, as soon as he entered said building, you could hear him click off the safety. I tried to ALWAYS be behind him.
Wow. I never knew there is a P7K3. NICE !!! Does it come as the kit with all conversion barrels and slides or are the conversion parts separate purchases ?
Again, WOW ! very nice. (and I don't like .380s but I'll make an exception here).
RGVshooter
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I've held and shot a P7 "squeeze cocker". They are excellent carry guns! But I couldn't help but notice lately what these guns go for used and unless you got the deal of the century, I'm guessing for what you paid for these guns you could have gone out & bought a somewhat decent used car.
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Well, I thought I did ok (but probably overpaid), but for the 4 shown ( 2 - P7's, a P7M8, and the High Power) I paid $5400, so yes, I guess I could have bought a decent used vehicle.
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Trust me, I would have liked to!
But after what I paid for these 4 (and the other P7 I haven't picked up yet), I couldn't afford the $3500 they wanted for it.
I bought them from a Collector at one time. The 380 was in one box complete with magazines. The 32 barrel and magazines along with the 22 barrel, 22 slide, and mags were in a different box and unfired.
Absalom
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That issue actually came up repeatedly over the years in German police discussions about the suitability of the P7.
Not so much because the clicking noise made anyone nervous, but because during situations like extended building searches it gave the positions of the officers away. Some police trainers pointed out that in low-noise situations, like a warehouse at night, you could almost map the officers' progress just listening for the clicking.
It is said (I have no first-hand knowledge) that this was one of the reasons why the GSG-9, which had adopted the P7 in the mid-80s, ditched it in the early 90s for the Glock 17. The lack of an accessory rail was another; Bavarian SWAT came up with an adventurous solution attaching a light to the magazine bottom. I guess you had to hope any gunfight at night was over before reloading became necessary
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Add to the above "clicking" argument, that the P7 or M8 only held 8 rounds, it's quite heavy, and it quickly heats up like a chimney, and I agree, it's probably not the tactical weapon of choice nowadays. But having said that .....
..... it sure is a blast killing paper at the range! I used to own 14 of these things, yes, quite a fanboy, when they were easy to pick up for $400 to $600. But my hand just wasn't big enough for the extra width of the M13s so those were the first to go. The incredible price jumps of the M8s prompted me to sell those next.
That left me with 3 original regular P7s - one to shoot at the range, while the other two cool down!
You're going to love your new P7s! But if you don't, you know where to find me. Congrats again.
..... it sure is a blast killing paper at the range! I used to own 14 of these things, yes, quite a fanboy, when they were easy to pick up for $400 to $600. But my hand just wasn't big enough for the extra width of the M13s so those were the first to go. The incredible price jumps of the M8s prompted me to sell those next.
That left me with 3 original regular P7s - one to shoot at the range, while the other two cool down!
You're going to love your new P7s! But if you don't, you know where to find me. Congrats again.
smoothshooter
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Regarding the P-7,
Why?
The loud " CLACK-CLACK " of the grip safety engaging and dis-engaging, and the way the gun's frame gets pretty hot to handle during rapid-fire drills have always been big turn-offs for me.
And have you priced extra magazines?
But unto each his own.
We don't alway have to be practical.
Why?
The loud " CLACK-CLACK " of the grip safety engaging and dis-engaging, and the way the gun's frame gets pretty hot to handle during rapid-fire drills have always been big turn-offs for me.
And have you priced extra magazines?
But unto each his own.
We don't alway have to be practical.
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Thanks for commenting!
Yep, I know the price of extra mags!
As to being practical, I've always wanted a P7/P7M8, and when these presented themselves I couldn't pass them up.
I am pretty well off with pistols and revolvers (I have plenty more of both then I could ever NEED, but what I WANT is a totally different story!
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oneounceload
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Not really; you have to squeeze it completely; you'd have a much easier time doing that with a 1911 or a Glock
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