Uberti's New American Model

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Cimarron Firearms had Uberti make a replica of the 1st Model American that can be seen in this Euro expo. video at approx. the 1:50 mark. Disregard the Hungarian host's description as a "Schofield". This is really big news for CAS and reenactors to finally have a clone of the first large cal. metallic ctg. revolver!! Alas, it is extremely late to an aged CAS crowd as CAS peaked circa 2000. Nonetheless, a real shooter!!

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Improper (too long) cylinder length made for modern cartridges ruins the looks. Not only that, it eliminates the gas ring of the originals that the short cylinder allows for. This results in the gun binding very quickly when shooting black powder cartridges. This can be verified from many users of these revolvers.

It holds 0 interest for that reason. It doesn’t look right and can’t even shoot the cartridges the originals were designed for. Sorry, but this is a hard pass from me.
 
One does not have to go back to the stone age to own and admire the engineering and updated design of this classic revolver. 45 Colt is a necessity of the times, since not many would be sold in the original heeled bullet caliber or even in 44 Russian. Since Uberti does not manufacture ammunition, they have to rely on other companies to bring back the old 44 American cartridge, which in my mind would be unlikely. Besides, you can go to any gun shop and buy 45 Colt, but do not find many other old-west calibers at your local establishments. I have to give the company a very big congratulations on taking the chance to manufacture an updated 44 American and would seriously consider buying one when available and shoot the heck out of it with that awful smokeless ammo!:D
 
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JayFramer said:
Improper (too long) cylinder length made for modern cartridges ruins the looks. Not only that, it eliminates the gas ring of the originals that the short cylinder allows for. This results in the gun binding very quickly when shooting black powder cartridges. This can be verified from many users of these revolvers.

It holds 0 interest for that reason. It doesn’t look right and can’t even shoot the cartridges the originals were designed for. Sorry, but this is a hard pass from me.
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Have you handled this new model? If not, then you don't know what they've done with the gas collar. As well, I shot an Uberti Russian Model almost 100 shots with real BP after liberally greasing it and using properly BP lubed bullets I cast. It can be done. So, let's wait & see what Uberti did before rushing to judgment.
 
Really really like the 1894 rifle! Even better if produced as a carbine! Always did think the S&W revolver was a better idea than the Colt SSA. Only real problem was the Army messing up with ammo. Should have simply stuck with the .45 Scofield. Fiddling around w/ two different calibers was less than smart. Chambering the Scofield in .45 Colt eliminates the issue entirely. Good move. Certainly make it way more useful for those who want to shoot, etc. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
 
Boge said:
Cimarron Firearms had Uberti make a replica of the 1st Model American that can be seen in this Euro expo. video at approx. the 1:50 mark. Disregard the Hungarian host's description as a "Schofield". This is really big news for CAS and reenactors to finally have a clone of the first large cal. metallic ctg. revolver!! Alas, it is extremely late to an aged CAS crowd as CAS peaked circa 2000. Nonetheless, a real shooter!!
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It's been my observation that a lot of people call any large bore top break a "Schofield". :rolleyes:
 
I like that real world sized grip that I can get a hold on-I had a pair of the earlier Uberti replica guns, and the quality was world class, but because they were very faithful to the original dimensions, a good purchase of the handle was difficult for me.
 
Well since this posting is truly not about antiques I suppose I'll go ahead and add that I have an Uberti reproduction of the Colt Bisley in 44/40 that has just flat been an excellent shooter since day one. I've never been happy with anything that doesn't fit my abnormaly long fingered hand, this includes SAA Colts and their reproductions. The Bisley Colt does fit and I was pleased that Uberti's rendition is a fair copy, certainly not a real Colt but for my shooting pleasure it meets the mark. I suppose the same should be true for all of the other Uberti's repops including the Schofield and others. I like 44/40 and .44 special and have never gotten into .45 LC or Schofield for that matter, no dies, etc. I don't want to get myself scattered all over the map with anymore guns that I don't shoot so I'm happy staying with .44's.
 
brucev said:
Really really like the 1894 rifle! Even better if produced as a carbine! Always did think the S&W revolver was a better idea than the Colt SSA. Only real problem was the Army messing up with ammo. Should have simply stuck with the .45 Scofield. Fiddling around w/ two different calibers was less than smart. Chambering the Scofield in .45 Colt eliminates the issue entirely. Good move. Certainly make it way more useful for those who want to shoot, etc. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.
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The Army did not want to abandon the Colt because they already had so many in stock, and they had good reputation for durability in the field. The Schofield had neither of those advantages.
Also, the Army had been operating on a shoestring budget since the end of the Civil War. The government had spent a huge amount of money during the war, and Congress was in no mood to to spend any more money than they had to.
Spending money on the Schofields may have been politically motivated if the truth be known.
The Army did issue as much Schofield ammo as they could since it worked in both guns, but mistakes were sometimes made when field commands placed orders for .45 revolver ammo.
 
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The Military actually tried to buy MORE Schofields in the late 1870's but the co. refused.
 
smoothshooter said:
The Army did not want to abandon the Colt because they already had so many in stock, and they had good reputation for durability in the field. The Schofield had neither of those advantages.
Also, the Army had been operating on a shoestring budget since the end of the Civil War. The government had spent a huge amount of money during the war, and Congress was in no mood to to spend any more money than they had to.
Spending money on the Schofields may have been politically motivated if the truth be known.
The Army did issue as much Schofield ammo as they could since it worked in both guns, but mistakes were sometimes made when field commands placed orders for .45 revolver ammo.
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I beg your pardon. The posted response was based on information I heard presented a few weeks ago while watching one of the late evening gun shows on the Sportsman channel (395). Sincerely. bruce.
 
I have a pair of No 3 Russians by Ubirti. In 44 Russian. They are fantastic in Black Powder and in Smokeless. Keep the bullet at 200 solid base or 246 Hollow base grains and the speed at 810fps like the original, and they are super accurate! (keep your lead on the soft side too!)

Start shooting copper jacketed bullets and you run into all manor of inaccuracies.

If you're loading for the American in 45 Colt chambering, load 200 grain soft lead at 800 fps (use an over the powder card and a filler to make up the volume) and you will have what you had in the 1870, A gun that hits where it is aimed and makes a thumb size hole in whatever you hit! Some runs of Scofield brass already have a Colt size rim, some have the S&W rim, but I can fire S&W rimmed brass in all my Colt chambered revolvers and carbines!

Ivan
 
I saw the teaser ad at Cimarron about this gun coming out and it’s going to be the next gun I get. I always wished Uberti made an American in .44 Special and that caliber will be available. the ad says nickel guns have case colored hammer, latch, trigger guard, etc., but that engraved one looks all nickel which I couldn’t tolerate. And I guess we’re stuck with every top break called a “Schofield” now. I had a S&W old old Model .44 Russian once and gotta say these guns look very unwieldy but aren’t in the hand.
 
Official word per Cimarron is that .45 Colt will be available this year and .44 cals. in 2020.
 
i did not read the comments above. But I did examen the revolver my self at the IWA at Nurnberg. It is a Schofield in disguise. The action te extract the cartridges is the same as the Schofield. It has to be a rack and gear. I was not impressed at all. They have done this trick before. Look at the replica of the Uberti Russian. Compare it with the real deal. It is another Schofield in disquise.
 

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It is a Schofield in disguise. The action te extract the cartridges is the same as the Schofield.
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Some differences between the Schofield and the other Model 3 revolvers (including the American and Russian) was the latch being on the frame instead of the top strap of the barrel assembly, 45 calibre and the plow handle shape of the grip from the American instead of the saw handle of the 3rd Russian and later Model Threes. The idea was to make it possible to open with one hand.

"All Schofield are Model Threes, but not all Model Threes are Schofields."
 
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