I recently purchased a Winchester 52, 22 target rifle. Someone removed half the Lyman receiver sight to mount a Lyman 3/4" scope (probably in the 1930's). Can someone tell me what sight I have so I can buy a duplicate, or the part I am missing?
Question about Lyman receiver sight
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I would venture a guess that your Model 52 had some version of the Lyman 48. A very good chance that it was a short slide 48 and not a long slide 48. Good luck!
cgt4570
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Link to their current offerings:
Lyman Sights | Target Sights | Lyman Products
I would contact Lyman and ask if the current production receiver sights use the same dovetail slot. Finding an original might prove difficult. It took me a few years to find parts for the Lyman 57-RS on my similar Remington 513-SA .22.
Lyman Sights | Target Sights | Lyman Products
I would contact Lyman and ask if the current production receiver sights use the same dovetail slot. Finding an original might prove difficult. It took me a few years to find parts for the Lyman 57-RS on my similar Remington 513-SA .22.
I'm pretty certain 52s only had dovetail slots from 1919-1924, after that they were drilled and tapped for mounts. So if your has dovetails it's a very early model.
My 52c is equipped with Redfield Olympics using mounts to hold the sights.
My 52c is equipped with Redfield Olympics using mounts to hold the sights.
My 52 is from 1933 and has a dovetail slot. I would go to fleabay and look for an original sight after You have exhausted the search for the Lyman or the parts. There is a company making a rail type scope mount that goes in the dovetail. If that of interest to You.
I believe they are talking about the dovetail slots in the bottom half of the peep sight.
"Old Gunsights" lists the 48J for the standard weight barrel, if your sight is a 48. The book also says "the application code should be stamped on the outside surface of the mounting block, on the mounting block inside the elevating slide dovetail or on the back of the elevating slide."
For what all that is worth!
Ed
Andy my apologies if I misunderstood what you were saying!
Ed
Not a problem I probably should have been clearer. I was talking about the actual barrels being dovetailed for the sights.
Almost all of the later models have a dovetails on the sight base and the mounting blocks.
Ivan the Butcher
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You are in luck! Your base is all or mostly there. The arm that has the threaded hole for the peep insert will be one of three standard lengths, yours should be the shortest, but longer ones can be cut to fit your needs.
The front sight should be a Lyman Globe No.17x, the x stands for Long, Medium, or Short. All three will fit and will work, but remember the taller the front sight the taller the rear sight. To see over the scope bases you may or may not need medium!
The No.17 Globe Sight uses inserts that are unique to Lyman, most other brands are way to large! There are companies that make "cards" of inserts for many brands, just make sure you get the Lyman diameter. A "card" has 10 or 12 different designs of posts and cross hairs. Some shooting sports require you use a specific one, others let you choose. Also the different "Thicknesses" are for different distances, just remember; "Finer is for further!"
I have a 2005 Winchester 1885 High-Wall in 38-55, the front dovetail is for the 17 Globe, and I use medium height, with the finest post insert. My rear sight is a modern Lyman copy of the Marble's tang sight (it uses O-rings instead of clicks to hold the adjustments in place. Your rear sight is much better and far more accurate! For a quick lesson on how to read and use the scales on the receiver sights go to Montana Vintage Arms web sight. Your scale may or may not be a little different, but the system is the same as reading a slide rule (That's why most of us need a quick lesson on how to read them!) Most current 22 competitions are at 50 & 100 yards or meters, but in the 60's and before they did 200 yard also, and a few clubs went all the way to 300 yards! This type of shooting will dictate your height needs for the rear sight.
MVA also makes high quality reproduction Winchester scopes and mounts for the external adjusted scopes. They may be able to help get you scope system up and running. Just remember: All it takes is MONEY! If it is Unertl there is help out there. If however it is Lyman or Lechner (sp), you are on your own, (I use a great big Unertl 15x 2" for my old eyes!)
Have fun! You can PM me if you have questions.
Ivan
The front sight should be a Lyman Globe No.17x, the x stands for Long, Medium, or Short. All three will fit and will work, but remember the taller the front sight the taller the rear sight. To see over the scope bases you may or may not need medium!
The No.17 Globe Sight uses inserts that are unique to Lyman, most other brands are way to large! There are companies that make "cards" of inserts for many brands, just make sure you get the Lyman diameter. A "card" has 10 or 12 different designs of posts and cross hairs. Some shooting sports require you use a specific one, others let you choose. Also the different "Thicknesses" are for different distances, just remember; "Finer is for further!"
I have a 2005 Winchester 1885 High-Wall in 38-55, the front dovetail is for the 17 Globe, and I use medium height, with the finest post insert. My rear sight is a modern Lyman copy of the Marble's tang sight (it uses O-rings instead of clicks to hold the adjustments in place. Your rear sight is much better and far more accurate! For a quick lesson on how to read and use the scales on the receiver sights go to Montana Vintage Arms web sight. Your scale may or may not be a little different, but the system is the same as reading a slide rule (That's why most of us need a quick lesson on how to read them!) Most current 22 competitions are at 50 & 100 yards or meters, but in the 60's and before they did 200 yard also, and a few clubs went all the way to 300 yards! This type of shooting will dictate your height needs for the rear sight.
MVA also makes high quality reproduction Winchester scopes and mounts for the external adjusted scopes. They may be able to help get you scope system up and running. Just remember: All it takes is MONEY! If it is Unertl there is help out there. If however it is Lyman or Lechner (sp), you are on your own, (I use a great big Unertl 15x 2" for my old eyes!)
Have fun! You can PM me if you have questions.
Ivan
tndrfttom
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I'm thinking that it looks like you have a Model 52A or pre-A rifle receiver which was machined to take a ladder-type musket site. When that was removed the Lyman sight that was used was PROBABLY a Model 48JH to fill the "slot". As mentioned previously the sight's model number is usually stamped on the base. I've had some luck finding Model 48 sights on ebay (but I've bought a few incorrect ones too when buying off ebay). I think the 48 sights were hand fitted but I've found good interchangeability if you have to mix and match parts.
