Ir would be the same gun in name only.

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Its hard to imagine the price of originals will be impacted. I mean, it's never going to be 1967 again so you're never gonna get another 1967 python. Maybe people will stop panic bidding on gunbroker and you won't see the ludicrous prices, at least maybe on the stainless guns, for a while.

Did Colt just scale up the action they are using in the new Cobra's? That would be my guess.


I imagine these new Pythons will be controversial amongst longtime fans of the gun.

I expect these new Pythons will be popular if the production samples are decent.

I'd love to see Smith & Wesson respond. Perhaps with a 586 or 686 without a lock, assembled by people who will get it right and a high level of fit and finish.

I will add that I've always wanted a stainless python but I wasn't willing to pay for one...stainless is more fun anyway since you don't have to watch the finish getting worn off.

I'm getting a good laugh at all the fellas that spent over 3K on a stainless python! Sell those stainless pythons before the bubble pops boys.

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Wow!! Just wow. I even think it looks better than the original.

I agree or has already been mentioned, a new registered mag. I have at least 4 of the classic line I would purchase on top of that if only they were done more proper than what they were. That's the difference I believe between the Python remake and Smiths classic line. Yes the Python has some subtle differences and aa QR code as signs of its modern manufacturing process but as a whole its more proper of the 1st gen models than what Smith did with its classics lineup. That's the reason it has a better chance of affecting the value of the older ones unlike the "new" 27's 19's etc

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Yes, while I am not adverse to the new Smith Classic line
and own a few, I think Colt with the Python 2020 has hit
a home run in that it might be better, much better than
the old Python.

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All the updated 19s, 27s, and 29s had locks.

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I think one thing we all can agree on is a .357 magnum screaming from that 6” barrel is one nasty round.

I think the old Pythons will forever be looked at like, “Oh, that’s an ORIGINAL one?!” Maintaining a certain pompous prestige I'll always feel having that classic hand honed Colt action from days gone by. My E-nickel Python posted earlier was $475 in the late 90s and I just watched amused later at the recent ridiculous prices for them thinking the bottom would drop eventually. I just bought it ‘cause I liked it and don’t give a bleep what my heirs get for it later.
All I know is, based on what I see so far, this new Python is better than the original because it’s more shootable, just as pretty, and affordable compared to the originals. But the old ones will still maintain very high prices. Just not the peak we've seen when they went crazy a while back.

I had the Python "experience" decades back. I found it to be sexy but over rated. I've always wanted another one, just to fill a niche in my vintage Colt collection. However, the insanely stupid prices they command have kept me from that. I wouldn't have any desire for a new one to fill that niche, because it's not the same thing. On the other hand, if Colt can make a revolver that looks like a Python, but with increased durability (always the Pythons Achilles heel) then I might be interested. Hopefully they'll stick with stainless and forget a blued model. Their workers lack the skill to achieve the blued finish of old and it would just reinforce the view that this isn't your grandpa's Python and not in a good way.

Regardless, I'll wait a year or two down the road to seriously consider it. I'll let the pony fanatics and Walking Dead fanbois be the beta testers.

I've been looking over all the available info on the "new" python....gotta say that I'm cautiously optimistic. I still want to see some unbiased reviews about accuracy, build, and quality before I come to a final decision. But, if all looks good then I would be interested in a 4.25" model.

I've casually been looking for a "shooter" python for some time and the price for these new versions of the python are in line for what an older shooter has been going for. So......this could be one of my purchases for the new year.

Only negative I see so far is the "QR code" on the side....don't really care for that, but it beats the heck out of that d--- lock hole on the side of the new S&W's....IMO.

Don

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I posted a thread a while back asking folks about QR codes on guns, and to my surprise, most seemed totally okay with it and someone mentioned a benefit I hadn’t thought of. There are apps you can download that allow you to “scan” the QR codes and instantly bring up user’s manuals, videos, records, etc.

Think of that little code as a virtual manual and video library that’s always attached to the gun. Pretty cool! I’m super happy and glad it was included, very useful stuff, and I think it looks pretty good too honestly.

Maybe so.....but in regards to manuals and videos I don't see where that is anything that is not already available without having to scan the QR code and then submit on the internet.....which if you think about it, that process would "confirm" that the firearm is in your possession. Thus it can be used as a "quasi" tracking devise....ie, think clever way for federal gun registration. I'm no expert on this, but to my untrained mind it seems possible.

Don

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Anybody pre order yet ship/release date yet ?

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Yeah, that's a downer for me too, as are the laminated stocks... ... but stocks can be replaced.

I'll be waiting for the blued version before jumping or even thinking about jumping. It's the amazing polishing & bluing of the original Pythons that sold me on them truly being a step above. It will be interesting to see if that can be duplicated or even come close.

The MA certification thing is in the way for me as well so no new Python for me anytime soon anyway.

Several on colt forum have placed orders but haven't heard yet if anyone has a ship date. I will order as soon as I find a source for the 4.25" version but it seems those will be available in a couple weeks.

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It's my understanding the older "original" stocks fit the new pythons....as far as the MA certification, I would think that will be forthcoming .

Don

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Just as long as it doesn't get out of timing after the first shot like the old ones did.

All online dealers are already out of stock.

I bet this will be the case for a good few months. I seem to remember the King Cobra being unavailable for a while after release and I would consider it more utilitarian (bought as a nice carry gun) and much less popular than the Python that will have folks lining up to get it to not only shoot but maybe to set one in their safe to hold back. A lot of pent up demand for sure

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Colt put out a video showing the features of the new "Python" anyways, it has 14 fewer internal parts than the original. So, it is a "Python" in name or concept only. Its like when an auto manufacturer drops a model for a decade or two then brings the name back in a totally new car that skipped a few generations, it has the same name but its not the same thing.

Hmmm well it LOOKS the same, has been made to be MUCH more durable, many (including Ken Hackathorn, a very experienced old guy) say the trigger is BETTER, and the lockwork is simpler...

You guys are right, it’s NOT an old Python.

IT’S BETTER.

Splitting hairs. Now a lot of what GM has brought out and slapped a SS badge on the last decade yes perhaps could fit that argument. Is a 2019 Mustang not a Mustang because it doesn't have a ****** 4 barrel carb, extra ignition parts like points and rotors, and drum brakes? Time marches on and in some cases for the better..

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I don't think that the new Python will affect the value of the old Pythons. S&W still manufactures a lot of the old guns like the Model 27, but that hasn't diminished interest in the older 27's and pre-27's.

I am curious to see if the lockwork of the new Python resembles the lockwork of yore. I'm not a Colt expert, but I do have a Detective Special in my shop right now and I've admired the care that went into fitting the various parts. I have a hard time imagining that Colt will still be doing that level of hand fitting, even at the $1499 MSRP price point.

I'll wait until they've been out for a few years and find a deal on a good used one.

Mike

DIAMONDBACK

From the few videos I have seen, it appears to be much better than the original. Stronger frame, higher quality steel, precision MIM parts that don't need to be "hand fitted".

Manufacturing processes have improved greatly in all industries, and that's a good thing.

There are a couple 6" new ones on the big auction site.

Starting price is $1,799 with a buy it now price of $1,999.

I hope the new Pythons have barrels as good as the old ones. I had a Hunter with 8" barrel and original Leupold 2X scope. It printed 2" 5 shot groups at 100m/110yds with old Norma 158gr 357mag factory ammo.

I really hope they will make a new 8" Hunter.

If the new barrels are as good as the old ones maybe $1499 + labour for a 686 barrel upgrade is good value for money.. :-)

Well I hate to laugh at someone's misfortune but I believe this statement will hold true. But also I feel it's a little too late at this point.

Why is the new Python $600-$800 more than a new SW? Prettier? Shoot better? Last longer? What am I missing?

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The name likely, and I would say yes to looking better on both sides.

ETA: An answer to the Python from S&W in the form of a proper Registered Magnum without a lock and proper barrel in your custom length, finish and stock options would be fantastic I would probably break the sound barrier whipping my wallet out. (I know, I know. I can dream right?)

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I'll have to dissent regarding Colt's defacement of the new Python with the QR bar code.
I find it unnecessary and a cosmetic eyesore. I'm not a fan of the plywood looking laminated stocks either but at least those can be changed out.

My only question is, where do i get one????

It looks like Colt set out to build a functionally better than the original Pythons while keeps the look very close to the original.

I don't really buy Smith is making the best 586 or 686s they can nowadays. Too many canted barrels, rough actions and general inconsistencies in the product.

I'd love to see Smith step up, lose the lock and build the best 586/686 they can.

If they'd have asked me, the QR thing could have been hidden on the grip frame under the stocks.

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My dream gun has been a 4" bright stainless Python for a few years.

Every description I've read claims it's stainless, and it sure looks bright.

I've been in the market for a 2.75" 69.

Pretty sure that's changed now.

*EDIT*
I was thinking about the MSRP price Colt has listed for the Python. I'm sure that's what their going to sell for for a while...and over for the people that have to have them now.

Unless Colt plans on only making a limited number, I'd think the actual sell price would drop after a year or so.

Right now S&W has the 2.75" 69 listed at $854.00. I missed two auctions this week on new ones for less than $600.

Think the Colt will be the same, or should a person grab one ASAP?

I don't know what a 4" New Python will do that my 4" 686-1 won't do, but I still want one.

found on another forum...old vs new...looks like lots fewer parts, not sure about 14 less on the action alone, maybe 14 less in the entire gun...a MIM fest for sure, no fitting required but that may be a good thing. S&W will feel the pressure....GET RID OF THE LOCK, drive some sales....!!!!

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I have no doubt that the "new" Python will be an excellent revolver. It may well be a better revolver. However, with a totally different lock work its just a new gun with an old name. Just the same as the new Cobras. Colt is counting on name recognition to sell a completely different gun.
Rather than comparing new to old, I think its much more fitting to consider the 2020 as a completely separate revolver and judge it on its own merits.
I doubt the new Python will have much impact on the prices of older Pythons. But then I think that much over inflated market is well overdue for a crash anyway.
I own a 1975 Blue 6" Python and have long desired a 4" to go with it. Maybe if they come out with a blued version I'll take a look.

If I'm not mistaken one of those photos is actually of the new king cobras internals and the other the python

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You are most certainly in the minority in your opinion, and that’s totally fine. Most will agree it’s a good feature and/or don’t care if it’s there or not.

Im gonna be FAT RICK GRIMMES for Halloween next year!

While I do own quite a few Colt revolvers the S&W triggers and actions have always fealt superior in every way to me.
Id be interested in buying a new Python if the trigger is as good as the reviews claim.
(A lifetime warranty would seal the deal)...
I would also buy another if Colt offered a Python in .22lr (Or at least a SS Diamondback in .22lr HINT HINT)....

Always wondered why S&W never offered a 686 with a close copy of the Python vented barrel rib...the one vented L frame S&W did offer recently looked horrible IMO.

Maybe Smith will even take notice and offer a 4" SS Model 627 with a Mountain gun style tapered barrel profile, real checkered topstrap and the key hole deleted .

Rick Grimes with Python:



I’ll wager a huge portion of new Python buyers are going to have been first turned on to the big Colt snake gun from the Walking Dead television series. That’s not a bad thing. Hoping many of them enjoy the revolver and learn to shoot it well. This could spur a real resurgence in revolver usage from youth shooters.

Personally, and I know many of you here will either not understand this or laugh, but I first fell in love with the Python not from the Walking Dead, but the 2004 video game Half-Life 2. In that game, it’s a very powerful handgun you can use to defeat the cyborg alien overlords that have taken over the planet. I’d link a video to it but the game contains blood and is violent, probably against the forum standards for sure.

Cue the nerd alert! But seriously, what’s really the difference in modern TV/movies or games when many people here were first turned on to Smith & Wesson’s from Dirty Harry, or the Colt Peacemaker from the westerns of the 50s and 60s? Hollywood and the entertainment industry have a powerful effect on us. I’m all for more people owning revolvers and enjoying them, no matter from where they were first introduced to them. Without these media I highly doubt we’d be talking about a new Python right now to begin with.

Great points! Unless it’s for illicit purposes, we should never disparage why people buy the firearms they do. Sure, we might try and convince them what the best really is, but at the end of the day we’re in this together. If you can’t go to a big outdoor range and appreciate the guns, the shooters, and why they own what they do, you’re a snob.

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I became aware of the Python when I was a teenager watching Starsky & Hutch. I had to have one. I bought mine in 1979 when I was finally 21.

If Colt really wanted to improve the new Python, they would have changed the grips. The old walnut grips are horrible, completely incapable of allowing for good shooting of any kind of ammo, especially magnum rounds. The shape doesn't work in the hand.

I fell in love with the Python because it was the first magnum I shot as a child, it was my fathers service weapon for some time..

As of a few week ago I recently procured it(finaly talked my father into selling it to me) it is nostalgic to me for those reasons, and will only Ever be shot to teach my son to shoot years from now....

I want a new one because its stainless and I just want on haha!

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Well-said. I paid market price for a 98% 1970 blued 6" Python a while back. I had several valid (for me) reasons for buying it and I'm still happy with the gun, regardless of how many posts I read that imply I made a poor decision. I shoot it, and I clean it. I never have thought of it as an investment, but if I had to purchase another similar Python, or a new 2020 Python as an investment, the decision would be an easy one.

I don't see a new ss Python effecting the price of original blued Pythons, but It wouldn't bother me if it happened. I always expected mine to go down in value, but I did not want to wait years for that to occur before purchasing one. If I had, I would still be waiting.

I look forward to handling/shooting the 2020 Python at some point. My old one is great, so if the new one is even better, why not?