To be clear from the start, I'm really not shopping for one of these, I have my own concept/philosophy of "home defense". However, I have been in several gunshops lately, including today, and the shelves have been well stocked with Remington Tac-14's, but no Mossberg Shockwaves. Just made me wonder why. Is it general demand of one over the other, is it manufacturing capacity, or...….. ? Really more curious than anything.

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Every time I get the envie for one of these, I only have to look at my 870 riot gun in the corner and ask myself "Why?". Now don't get me wrong-if I dodn't have the 870, I'd probably get one of these (actually a Remington Tac 13). Don't know what a Mossy is.....

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I have a Tac 14. I was fascinated from the time I first saw them at the SHOT Show, because they look illegal. Found one locally for $279. Bought it just because. I’ve always preferred the 870 over the 500.

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I like the Mossberg with green Crimson trace laser. It is fun! and the laser makes aiming easier, but I have shot shotguns from the hip for many years. Shot my first rabbit at 12 yrs old from the hip, the others that have followed have proved it was not PURE luck. Be Safe,

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I have a Shockwave. I dont know if i`m just very skilled but its no problem to hit what i`m aiming at from the hip. It is great at "point" shooting too,but you gotta know what your doing and how to handle it

I bought the Remington because I have had many 870's and they are like an old friend. The Tac-14 hardwood was reminiscent of my youthful days watching the USMS WITSEC guys. I had always wanted one. For my purposes, the TAC-14 is ideal in the cab of a pickup truck.

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I'm no expert, but personally I think it probably has more to do with manufacturing and distribution timing than anything else.

The first time I attempted shooting a shotgun from the hip, imitating something I saw on TV, I shot quite high. I soon learned to bring the butt up and tuck it into the arm pit, thus leveling the gun and hitting what I was pointing at.

Remington and Mossberg both make quality shotguns. While I personally don't use the models in question, those who perceive a need for them will do just fine with either gun. Mossberg shotguns meet MILSPEC and the company ha made at least 10,000,000 Model 500 shotguns in various configurations. The Remington 870, of course, is very popular with law enforcement agencies.

I took a LE firearms course several years ago (I'm not LE) and part of the course was a couple of hours of familiarization training with the 870. It's my only time shooting a shotgun. We did the same thing. The instructor called it "wing shooting." Of course, we also fired it from the shoulder.

While I don't have a shotgun, it is something I've considered getting. I'm cross-dominant, so if I do get into long guns I'll probably try to learn it as a lefty. For that reason, I like the Mossberg's tang-mounted safety.

To be honest, that's really the only reason I'd want to get one of these.

Oh, and it's USMS.

I wouldn't make a habit of publically telling people you are facainated by something because it looks illegal

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So far on this thread it seems people are just sharing how they feel, which is cool I guess.

Now, onto the only merit that really matters between the two. The tac series has a double rail, so if one breaks, it's not a steaming pile. The Shockwave has no such failsafe: One rail, and should it snap you now have a cumbersome version of a tee ball bat.

Someone up top said something about how mossberges are milspec? I don't see how that matters. It's also a term I've never heard of in reference to a shotgun as it seems the military will use whatever shotgun they feel like when contract time rolls around. Every arms room I ever saw in the army had more Ithaca shotguns than anything else, followed by remington, with maybe a few mossberges sitting in the corner.

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Long ago when Mossberg came out with something I think they called the 'Cruiser Package', which was just a basic 12 ga. M500, 18" cylinder barrel, conventional wood stock and a synthetic pistol grip that could replace the stock.
I was much younger, there was a cool factor. Until I went to the range.
Found the pistol grip option to be uncomfortable, un-natural, all 'pointability' that shotguns should have was lost.

I know the Tac and Shockwaves have a different design rear grip, so pretty sure they are better than the experience I had with the pistol grip.
Still - I'm inclined to stick with platforms I'm used to. For me, concealment needs are answered by handguns.
HD shotguns are answered by my M870 Marine Magnum and/or the Win. M97 Police Riot.

And no - the 'chuck-chuck' of the action means very little to those truly intent on doing you harm. Heard that working in LGS's until it caused nausea.

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Personally, I chose the Mossberg 590 Shockwave for the following reasons...

• Ambidextrous Tang Mounted Safety
  Can be operated with either hand, whereas the TAC-14 uses a cross-bolt safety located on the right-hand side of the trigger guard.
• Drilled and Tapped Receiver
  Can be mounted with a scope or other accessories/peripherals, unlike the TAC-14 which isn't drilled and tapped.
• 5+1 Capacity
  Holds 5+1 2.5" Shells or 4+1 3" Magnum Shells, whereas the standard TAC-14 holds one round less, although some models come with a +1 Mag Tube Extension.
• Slide Release Location
  The Slide Release is located behind the trigger guard on the 590 Shockwave, where it can easily be accessed without altering your grip, whereas on the TAC-14 it is located on the front of the receiver where it cannot be accessed without altering your grip.
• Heavy-Walled Barrel
  The Mossberg 590 Shockwave is fitted with a Heavy-Walled Barrel which is more durable and has the fringe benefits of adding a bit more weight up front which helps to dampen recoil.

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Mossberg 590(R) Shockwave | O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.

"The Shockwave Raptor bird’s head pistol grip is uniquely shaped to minimize felt recoil. Includes all the features that have made Mossberg pump-actions the choice for millions worldwide: ambidextrous safety, dual extractors, positive steel-to-steel lockup, twin action bars, and a smooth operating anti-jam elevator."

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Easy there most original handle I've ever seen. While I love being told I'm wrong in the most obnoxious way possible, I'm getting the sense this is really about USPS and your awesome FFL. It'll pass I'm sure.

Okay okay, so mossberge changed their evil ways and started using two action bars instead of one. Truth be told, it's been years since I've handled a 500 variant, because they used to break all the time like the junk they were. I'm not into giving manufacturers a second chance. I don't buy mossberges now for the same reason I'll never buy Taurus. Call it a personal preference.

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Having put a few rounds through the Shockwave, I know that you really have to prepare yourself and hang on!

The trigger guard slammed the middle finger on my shooting hand and the safety gouged the bottom of my thumb.

I know, my fault. But it still hurt.

Having seen the quality of Remington products go down hill recently, I would be hesitant. My friends LGS has sent back four 870’s back for defects in the last year.

They are cool but I don’t see the need for such a gun.

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“ because they used to break all the time like the junk they were”
Have a ton of family and friends with decades of Mossberg and have never heard of dependability issues.
Sound like a personal thing.
If you will not buy anything where the manufacturer had issues, there is not a car or gun company on the planet you could buy from including Remington.

It never ceases to amuse me when I correct someone only to have them respond with hostility, bonus points if it includes some botched attempt at a personal attack.

Would you prefer I had said nothing and allowed you to continue making a fool of yourself by making erroneous statements? Evidently so, considering you chose to continue making foolish comments afterwards as if to eliminate any trace of credibility or humility you might have previously had.

Rest assured, I will trouble you no further with my misguided attempts to educate you.

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I have to agree with Harry.
Sometimes people feel that they are the Enlightened Ones and it is their duty to descend form the mount to inform the poor, ignorant masses of their Truth. Rude, self important pronouncements, made in an attempt to boost ones own self image, actually backfire. It usually proves the opposite of what the original intent was. It happens all too often.
That being said, I have a Shockwave, it is as Harry described, and I like it. Compact, rugged, works well and is perfect for back country truck/camping excursions. Takes a little getting used to because of the dynamics and grip, but has never failed me.
I feel the same about my 870 but it's purpose is different than the Shockwaves. In a truly diverse, inclusive, nonjudgmental and open minded manner I have a Mossberg 930 that I use for 3 gun events.
I may not have the divine insight of THEmodel, but I tend to do OK....

Yeah, it was a strange reaction to a pretty antiseptic correction of facts. I guess you should have surrounded it with smilie faces or something. But oh well.

I like both the Remington and Mossberg. I started with the Remington but carried a High Standard for more years. I had a Mossberg only the last few years when they forcibly retired my High Standard, which never gave me any trouble. I believe it only had one action bar, but I may not remember correctly now. I liked the Mossberg very much after I got used to it.

I'm clearly not a Moderator, but come on guys, we're straying from the question and have shifted to "lets attack each other" mode, the planet has enough issues and we're all better than that. Really was just wondering why I was seeing 5-10 Tac-14's on the shelves vs. 0 Mossbergs.

Thanks to those of you who provided insight and perspective...….and I would welcome others to keep that coming.

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Why not do both? My wife is Right handed, but left eye dominant, so I have worked with her to shoot both right and left handed. I also shoot left and right, rifle and handgun are fine, but getting used to shooting clays left handed took time and work. Be Safe,

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Getting back on topic, I would also like to add that the Mossberg Shockwave comes in more configurations, finishes, and chamberings than the TAC-14.

For example, here's my Mossberg 590 Shockwave 12 Gauge with factory FDE Cerakote Finish.


It's also available in a "Stainless Cerakote" finish which mimics the appearance of brushed Stainless Steel.

Plus it comes chambered in 20 Gauge and .410 Bore for those who are worried about recoil, although personally I'd sooner get an OpSol Mini Clip adapter and shoot 12 Gauge Mini Shells if recoil were an issue for me because that way you can fit more in the magazine tube than if you were to opt for 20 Gauge or .410 Bore.
That being said, I find the 12 Gauge Shockwave to be plenty controllable with standard 2.5" loads. It gives a powerful jolt backwards when fired, but if you hold it at about chest height and tuck the rear of the grip into your armpit it's nothing to worry about.

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I do plan to shoot both, like I do with handguns, but I want to focus on being a lefty with long guns like I focus on being a righty with handguns. I'm not 100% set on this approach, but it seems to make the most sense to me. I may change my mind if I ever do start shooting long guns, or get some training.

FWIW, my cross-dominance is pretty pronounced. Funny story: I used to do archery as a righty before I knew I was cross-dominant, or even what it was. I was right-handed, so that's how I learned. My sights were set up for my right eye. I was at the range one day shooting at 20yds, shooting some good groups in the bullseye. One of the range employees wanted to try my bow at the same range. His arrows hit a few feet off the paper. Wasn't even close. That's when I learned about cross-dominance.

At one point in time Mossbergs only had a single action bar, but another was added in a future revision in order to improve reliability. It's important to note that the Shockwave is a variant of the 590 Series which was made for the USMC. The Shockwave is basically a chopped down hybrid of the 590 and 590A1, with the polymer trigger group/safety switch of the 590 and the heavy-walled barrel of the 590A1.

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I am on my second 590 Shockwave. Only reason I am not still on my first was a trade I couldnt pass up.
Between the two I have shot well over 1000 rds of various shells and have gotten good enough to the point of being surgical with one without even one hiccup.
I too am left handed and prefer the tang safety. I also like the forearm on the 590 better than the 870.
The first Tac-14's were 4+1 but I think they changed that.
I would love to have a Tac-13 but dont see the need to spend the extra money.
I like the fact that either will fit in the saddle bags of my Bagger easily.

I really hesitate to get in this thread, but I have a Serbu Super Shorty which is about as small as a pump shotgun will ever get, I expect. It is a heavily modified Mossberg Maverick, which is an even cheaper version of their already affordable shotguns.
Wonderful firearm if you’re defending the back seat from an attack from the front seat, otherwise I’m not sure. Anyhow, it came with a vertical pistol grip, which was really tough to shoot. Very hard on the wrist and hand.
Switching to a birds head grip was far easier on me, but still pretty unpleasant although it made it easier to transport.
The Serbu had been a 5$ “any other weapon,” transfer, but it was so demanding to shoot I spent $200 more (!) and had it papered again as a short barreled shotgun. Now it has a Chote stock and I like it a hell of a lot better.
This, gentlemen, has been my personal “now how do I hang onto this thing?” short shotgun journey.

Yeah, most of the newer models have a +1 Extension on the Mag Tube, so they have equal capacity compared to the Shockwave.

The Serbu Super Shorty was actually the gun I had my eye on until the Mossberg 590 Shockwave was introduced. It's a cool gun, and that's the only reason any free man needs to own a firearm.

Some folks struggle to present themselves as super serious Self-Defense gurus or something who only buy firearms for their practical applications, but I doubt there's a single firearms owner who doesn't own at least one firearm just because it's cool. If not, then I pitty them because they probably are one of those extremely self-conscious types who hides their insecurities behind the façade of a stoic professional.

That being said, I'm of the mindset that a weapon is a weapon, so I don't belittle weapons which just so happen to be cool as "toys" as some folks do in the derogatory sense either.
My Shockwave is actually my primary Home Defense gun and I use a Taurus Judge Magnum as a nightstand gun which I've heard no end of disparaging comments over, especially from folks who are ironically convinced that their AR Pistol is the pinnacle of modern all-purpose Self-Defense equipment.

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For one thing, the milspec requires the shotgun to be drop safe from 4ft.
Now I would imagine modern production shotguns have stiff enough firing pin springs to make them drop safe in practice, meaning dropping one from a tree stand onto dirt/grass won't kill the hunter. Lawyers, you know.

I've had Mossbergs for eons. The 500's had twin action bars way back when. I never found them to be junk, and I would trust my life with one.

OTOH, Mossberg's cheepie mexico made .22 rifles ARE pure junk.

Now, 870s were fine shotguns back when I was a kid. IMHO, they have gone so far down hill that I wouldn't even shoot one, much less buy one. If it says remington on the product, I wouldn't take it for free.

Just my opinion.

Totally agree, it is nice option to have a choice.
You will appreciate this: My wife set up her sights on bow for right hand, shooting good groups, started to get tired and fired a group of 4 arrow 1 foot to the right of the bull. I watched, from left,right, behind, below, but could not figure out what was going on, till I watched her head carefully and saw her move to use her left eye!! She has since switched to a crossbow, which see uses right eye. Be Safe,

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Just a point of parliamentary procedure, because all I've seen are cut and pastes from websites, but I own three Shockwaves, one in each flavor, and they all have two rails, one on each side of the slide . . .

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I bought the Shockwave being Opsol makes a adapter to feed mini-shell and thereby bumping up the mag. capacity to 9 IIRC.

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Mossberg went to dual action bars after Remingtons patent expired in 1970.

I'll admit that I got the bug for a wood furniture Shockwave or Tac-14 the very first time I saw both setting side-by-side in the same store display case.

The somewhat short 18 1/2" 590A1 with Speedfeed stock and 2-shot mag-tube extension that I currently own has successfully kept me from pulling the trigger on one though.......for now at least.

I chose this beast.....made by Safety Harbor Firearms and built on 870.
Beautiful handy shotty fills my needs nicely

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I have a shockwave in 12 ga, it is a handful to shoot with the birdshead grip but is doable especially with the opsol mini clip installed and using the 1.75" mini-shells. It also increases the capacity to 8 rounds. Makes it a very good companion in the truck or in close quarters. Streamlight makes a forend with integral light and if you want a little more control SB tactical makes an adapter so you can add a pistol brace (currently that is considered ok by the BATFE). With the pistol brace it is just as controllable as any other 12 ga shotgun and considerably more so that the 500 cruiser with the pistol grip, which I also own.
As to the reliability of the 500/590 i've been using the shipboard in the Navy for over 20 years and while I have seen them actually fall apart from rust (magazine cap flying off followed by spring and shells) I have never seen one fail to fire. And trust me, if you have no experience with sailors and marines, they can and will find a way to destroy a crowbar in a sandbox. The ones on ship are often decades old and abused to the point where a civilian would probably just throw them away but they don't jam and always go bang. In a marine environment the plastic trigger group is a godsend by the way. Just my personal experience and hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, I also feel that the 870 is a fine weapon especially the police magnums.

I put the pistol grip/brace on my Shockwave, but soon removed it due to the fact that you cannot manipulate the safety without removing your hand from the grip. Went back to the Raptor grip. I also have the Laserlyte Center Mass which gives this pattern that expands with range:

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I am an 870 guy.. since I was 14 years old... 54 now...
but would go with the Mossberg Shockwave because of the mini shell option... just simple math really

I wonder if folks are apprehensive about buying a new Remington firearm given the uncertainty of any warranty support? I plan on keeping all of my 870s, 1100s and my ‘06 700, and am sad to see the demise of a once-great company...

Someone will inevitably pick up Remington. Ruger already secured Marlin since the bankruptcy occurred, so I'll bet that by SHOT Show 2021 someone will have acquired Remington.

Besides, I stopped caring about Warranties a few years ago after numerous companies either did away with their Warranty or otherwise made it cover so few issues which were virtually impossible for the firearm to even leave the factory with.

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SHOT Show 2021 has been cancelled . . .

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Shockwave for 12 gauge.
The 20 gauge TAc-14 is more compact than the Shockwave 20.

I prefer Mossbergs ergos, better safety location, better pump release, no loading gate/shell lifter in the way to catch your thumb.

As far as quality, it you charted both on a graph you would end up with an X. As Mossbergs have improved, Remingtons have started to **** out. I'd say the lines probably intersected somewhere in the early to mid nineties.