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I’ve been wanting a second 1911 A1 to go with my 1943 Colt for a while now



I found this 1943 type II Remington Rand from a private seller, who was selling most of his collection, he also had a 1945 Colt and several Sig P210. He initially wanted $ 2400.-, we settled at $ 1950.-. Barrel is a High Standard



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I have a Scovill magazine that is better suited to this gun





I had never seen the Du-Lite finish. It’s obviously very different from the traditional high polish blueing of the commercial models or the Parkerising of later military models, it’s a kind of graphite grey.
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you lucky dog. the second type of slide marking is hard to find because it was made for such a short time. congrats. Lee
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The .551 stamping on the safety lever reminds me of how the Norwegians marked the parts on their Model 1914 pistols.
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In 1974 I bought a US&S 1911A1 from a guy who came through the gas station I was working at. Cost me $50. Went to get it registered at the sheriff's office (it was Missouri) and found out it was stolen. No more 45; no more $50.

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I have a RR type two very close to your serial number. I think the DuLite finish is the most attractive of all. The Scovill mag is a good choice. Nice A1.
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Old 11-15-2020, 05:48 AM
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you lucky dog. the second type of slide marking is hard to find because it was made for such a short time. congrats. Lee
Thanks, I am happy with it indeed
Do you know how many type II were produced ?

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The .551 stamping on the safety lever reminds me of how the Norwegians marked the parts on their Model 1914 pistols.

Members on another forum suggested the same, the hammer possibly too

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In 1974 I bought a US&S 1911A1 from a guy who came through the gas station I was working at. Cost me $50. Went to get it registered at the sheriff's office (it was Missouri) and found out it was stolen. No more 45; no more $50.

That’s gotta hurt

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I have a RR type two very close to your serial number. I think the DuLite finish is the most attractive of all. The Scovill mag is a good choice. Nice A1.

Nice, pls don’t hesitate to show it
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Of the three slide types, IIs are second rarest of the three slides. Type IIs were only made in 1943 observed approximately from serial numbers 927000-1015000, but overlapped with Type III slides which started around 980000 and went till end of production, around 2465139. Type I being the rarest observed from 916405 to approximately 955000. There were approximately 877,000 RR made from 1942-1945.

The 551 on the thumb safety is probably a field unit number as they were not made with any other markings other than the three you have. FJA, P and the Ordnance Dept. inspector’s stamp. Very nice gun.

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Of the three slide types, IIs are second rarest of the three slides. Type IIs were only made in 1943 observed approximately from serial numbers 927000-1015000, but overlapped with Type III slides which started around 980000 and went till end of production, around 2465139. Type I being the rarest observed from 916405 to approximately 955000. There were approximately 877,000 RR made from 1942-1945.

Wow impressive knowledge, thanks a lot sir
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Mine is an arsenal rebuild with a type III slide on a colt frame from 1918.





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A question for the group. I just obtained one of the .45s from the CMP. It has a Colt slide. The tag that came with it said it had a frame from another company. Just on a hunch, I put the serial number through the Colt web site and I got a hit. But the frame doesn't have any company name on it. How is the maker of a frame for these .45s now coming from CMP determined when there is no name engraved or stamped on it?
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A question for the group. I just obtained one of the .45s from the CMP. It has a Colt slide. The tag that came with it said it had a frame from another company. Just on a hunch, I put the serial number through the Colt web site and I got a hit. But the frame doesn't have any company name on it. How is the maker of a frame for these .45s now coming from CMP determined when there is no name engraved or stamped on it?

Serial numbers are pretty much the only way. Serial number runs are matched to manufacturers.....google WW I-II 1911 serial numbers and you should find a number of sites that have these records.


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Thanks for comment and infos

A couple of years ago I bought a few USGI small parts in the US to enhance my Auto Ordnance 1911 A1

So I now cannibalised it and replaced the thumb safety and the trigger. I will still need to find a correct hammer.





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The hole for the slide stop is chamfered, is that original ?







I understand the correct hammer is the narrow type ?



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Very nice specimens.

I have a couple of custom 1911s, with more modern touches, but over the past several years I've been developing an appreciation for the more traditional, GI-style pistols. I've even been thinking of getting one of the newer facsimiles by Colt or Springfield Armory as a shooter and possible carry gun.
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I thought I’d post my USGI trio too



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OP,
That is one great find. Well done!
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Serial numbers are pretty much the only way. Serial number runs are matched to manufacturers.....google WW I-II 1911 serial numbers and you should find a number of sites that have these records.
Thanks for your help. I did what you said and confirmed what CMP said on the tag that came with my gun.
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A question for the group. I just obtained one of the .45s from the CMP. It has a Colt slide. The tag that came with it said it had a frame from another company. Just on a hunch, I put the serial number through the Colt web site and I got a hit. But the frame doesn't have any company name on it. How is the maker of a frame for these .45s now coming from CMP determined when there is no name engraved or stamped on it?
The frame rarely has a company name stamped on it, only the slide. I have a Remington frame and a Colt slide. The only way I know, or anyone for that matter, is the serial # on the frame. I'll look it up for you if you PM me your serial#. Leave off the last 2 digits cause I don't need it and you don't want to give it to me.
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The frame rarely has a company name stamped on it, only the slide. I have a Remington frame and a Colt slide. The only way I know, or anyone for that matter, is the serial # on the frame. I'll look it up for you if you PM me your serial#. Leave off the last 2 digits cause I don't need it and you don't want to give it to me.
Thank you for your kind offer. I was able to take up Moralem's suggestion and make a print out to keep with the paperwork for the gun.
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Here’s my Remington Rand. It left the factory in September 1943.
First time trying to post a picture.
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Thanks for comment and infos

A couple of years ago I bought a few USGI small parts in the US to enhance my Auto Ordnance 1911 A1

So I now cannibalised it and replaced the thumb safety and the trigger. I will still need to find a correct hammer.





A few inside pics




British proof marks under the left grip





















The hole for the slide stop is chamfered, is that original ?







I understand the correct hammer is the narrow type ?



Sorry to say that my Remington Rand ss hole is un chamfered.

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Here’s my Remington Rand. It left the factory in September 1943.
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Very nice, thanks for posting it
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