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Unknown revolver
My FFL friend picked up this old revolver in an auction. There are no markings anywhere on it. The “pin “ pulls out and cams over to be an ejector rod. Loads and ejects out the right side like a single action. I believe it is a 38 caliber.
Anybody know what it is?
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12-04-2020, 01:37 AM
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Boy thats a weird one the front sight is way to far back. So no proof marks or anything. It screams European to me at least.
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Not visible mark anywhere. I did not take the grips off but there are no numbers, writing, stamps, etc, anywhere.
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Front sight almost looks like a coin. Perhaps a lost sight replacement or a shortened barrel.
It does have the European look, I would guess Belgium or France.
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The ticket in one of the pics looks like "Belgium" and "32 Cal." but my guess would be that it is a Chamelot Delvigne Mle 1874, or one of the Officers variants of that Model. Measure the bore with digital mics at the muzzle end and see of it is not 10.4 mm which would correspond to our .41 caliber. That would pin it down very close.
This gun was used by both the Belgians and the French Armies during WWI and several thousands were manufactured during that period. The hexagon bbl and shape of the trigger guard (plus lanyard loop) just shout military to me.
Doesn't really look like a Lebel (French) or a Webley & Scott MKIV,
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It has the appearance of a revolver made in Europe, all European weapons had to go through the test bench of your country, so it must have somewhere the stamp of approval of the test bench and that is a clue to look for information.
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The walls on that cylinder look plenty thin to me.
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This is not exactly like yours but it's the half brother. I bought it hoping it was .38 S&W but it's a .38 Short Colt. I mortgaged the farm and got a box of ammo. I shot 6 and it spins the bullet and shot through both sides of a cardboard box. I'm saving the other 44 cartridges for hard times. The mark on the frame in front of the cyl. is the only mark that might tell the origin of it. There is a 4 digit number on the metal butt cap. Larry
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My best guess is. One of the many Belgian copies of the solid frame Webleys.
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Interesting revolver, having no lock up on the cylinder scares me, the slot is just a stop. I would email pics to these guys if anyone knows they would. Ask them if they could identify it and the value?
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My best guess is. One of the many Belgian copies of the solid fame Webleys.
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With unclearly marked revolvers of that era that look vaguely like known models, a Belgian origin is usually the best bet.
The ejector rod pin assembly is definitely not Webley, but the grip shape including swivel does appear a close copy of the compact solid-frame .38 RIC Webleys.
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Thanks for all the replies. I will take my mics over and measure the barrel this weekend. I think he paid $130 for it so not much invested. Interesting piece.
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This is not exactly like yours but it's the half brother. I bought it hoping it was .38 S&W but it's a .38 Short Colt. I mortgaged the farm and got a box of ammo. I shot 6 and it spins the bullet and shot through both sides of a cardboard box. I'm saving the other 44 cartridges for hard times. The mark on the frame in front of the cyl. is the only mark that might tell the origin of it. There is a 4 digit number on the metal butt cap. Larry
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The markings on his revolver resemble those of the German test bench that was used between 1891 and 1939.
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My best guess is. One of the many Belgian copies of the solid frame Webleys.
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That would be my bet too.
Webley itself would, in that era, have the "Winged WS" trademark and usually have either Model or retailers markings on top strap.
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Ill work on the Belgian copies. Biggest tell for me was the 1-piece grip. Grip screw appears to be a small screw at the top of the back strap.
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Perhaps this:
Luxembourg Model 1884 Gendarmerie Nagant
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Interesting clue.
While the rear of the OP’s gun shares none of typical Nagant features on frame and cylinder (see close-up below of a 1893 Nagant for comparison), the OP‘s description of the pin as ejector rod does sound like it replicates the function of the Nagant ejector.
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If you search the Web for "Constabulary Revolver" you will see a slew of similar looking guns, mostly from Belgium and based on the Webley RIC. Good luck finding an exact match, they are as confusing as Spanish Rubies.
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