If anybody knows,,,,,,,

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Don’t care. Got a nice one, and I’m left handed, so ain’t no more coming my way. Switched to Mossberg a while back for the tang safety . . .

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CDNN has a lot of parts for the 870 right now, if anyone needs to stock up.

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Who watches the watchers?

I went with the maverick 12 ga pump. The barrels interchange from the Winchester model 12, 120, 1300 I believe.

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Used them for years in LE and they were fine but being a lefty, I went with a Browning BPS. Tang mounted safety and bottom eject.

I guess anybody could - I’m sure the patents are all expired. Good question, I bet somebody does.

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Get a Benelli Super Nova and be glad you did.

Think that old song: Anything Remington can make someone else can make...better.

Ah - Remington? Since everything Remington has now been bought, why would they not follow through with one of their best sellers?

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I have my dads 870 that was made in the 50's. I recently bought a 1982 Marlin 120 for $250. like new that is much like the 870 but heavier because it is made with a solid receiver. I have a number of Marlin rifles and could not pass the 12 gauge up for that price.

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My dumb luck, I bought an 870 with a detachable mag from Wilson. Now I have one mag and nobody makes them....

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I have a 870, the 1st brand new shotgun I bought. I didn’t know any better back in 1966. At that time period the only good pump shotgun still being made was Ithaca 37. I was stupid 16yr old that bought 870 because everyone else was. Never did warm up to it but still have it. Because of that it looks new. I won’t cry about the end of 870s. Mine is like a custom gun compared to the latest they made.

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The old wood stock, now plastic stock guns are out................

Now every one wants a "Black Gun" with the phony stocks and the
"GI Joe" front grips with a lazer or red dot sight and empty 40 rounds into a target.

Ducks will be safe in ten years !!

As far as I know, nobody has bought the rights to the Remington® brandname nor their designs, so until somebody does, the answer is nobody. (Unless you count the vast number of clones that are still in production which are for all intents and purposes the exact same gun, minus the brandname/model number.)

Personally, I hope that whoever picks up Remington will not only produce high quality Remington 870s, but will also improve the design by taking a few cues from the Mossberg 590, which is not only has a more intuitive layout when it comes to the controls, but is also easier to repair because parts such as the extractor are screwed in rather than riveted in place. Because honestly, the Remington 870 was behind the Mossberg 590A1 in practically every way, with it's only relevant niche being that the receiver was Steel rather than Aluminum, which really only appealed to folks who still don't believe that Aluminum is durable enough to withstand the test of time.

Someone reputable needs to secure the rights to the Remington brand then redesign the 870 so that all of its controls are arranged in such a fashion in which they can be worked without breaking the shooter's grip.
I would like to see Smith & Wesson buy Remington and resume production of their firearms, as I think that they could do the brand justice.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the companies who builds custom/specialty 870s like Black Aces Tactical, Serbu Firearms, or Wilson Combat were to purchase the rights to the 870 for the sake of maintaining a profitable product line while simultaneously illuminating the competition.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

There won't be anymore machined receiver 870's being made. My best advice is, if you have one, don't let it get away. That goes for the model 37 Ithaca's and model 12 Winchesters also.

The new stuff will all be made offshore and the quality will be gone.

Guaranteed.

Mossberg parts are made in Mexico and assembled in the US.

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Not sure what you were wanting but the Remington 870 is probably the best pump shotgun ever made and I would bet it is the top seller all time or close. I do not believe they were made with a scope in mind though and I would not even consider scoping a shotgun myself.

I hope someone does- they were arguably the finest pump gun available prior to 2006 when FG bought Remington. Would like someone to start making them again like Remington used to.

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I have 3 police trade in 870s and like them, but I prefer my police trade 1300 Defender for weight and handling reasons, but I think I would probably prefer my 37 or moss berg 500 if I had them in hand, but they have been stored at my Dads for years. Never can have too many riot shotguns, everyone in the household should have one.

So did the Roundhill Group deal fall through or something since announced in October? Have I missed something? They would be who owns the plant and of course the brand and products now and what they released is they would continue making Remington products under the Remington name.

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SWCA#2439

Round Hill Group LLC bought the Remington firearms line. I would assume they continue production, and have apparently vowed to make Remington great again.

From their press release:
“As is known, Roundhill Group LLC and a group of experienced firearms manufacturing and hunting industry professionals are in the process of purchasing Remington Firearms. Our intent with this acquisition is to return the company to its traditional place as an iconic American hunting brand. We intend to maintain, care for and nurture the brand and all of the dedicated employees who have crafted these products over the years for outdoorsmen and women both here in the USA and abroad. More than anything, we want to make Remington a household name that is spoken with pride.”

The old management laid off 585 employees and Roundhill does not intend to hire all them back. What does this mean for the 870? I have absolutely no clue, but I can’t imagine a Remington Firearms without a pump shotgun.

Why do you still have it if you never used it? The popularity of the 870 has been consistent. Ithaca died for the same reason the model 12 did, too expensive to produce. The 870 is a far simpler design than both the 37 and 12.

I have a Wingmaster I bought in 1970. Never did find a thing wrong with that shotgun and used it many years on upland birds.

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First pump was a used Mossberg 500 with a variable choke on it. Next, I bought a new Winchester 1300 when they first came out, did not like it and got a new Browning BPS, still have it. Great gun. I also acquired an 870 excop gun, a WingMaster. Good gun, I also put a camo plastic stock on it, as the walnut stock was really used and showed it. Also, I was given a Rem Express barrel with chokes which fit the 870 just fine, so now have a hunting and defense shotgun all in one.

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Love the 870. I have a few the oldest one my dad gave me 45 years ago. Not one problem and it has been used. I got 4 diff barrels for it and it has serve me well on all kind of hunts. Long Live the 870!

Rems last good pump was the 31. Rem 870 is probably the top selling pump. The Win 12 is the pump shotgun others are judged by. 870 is not in same league as the milled parts guns. Mossberg 500 series is going to end being the top seller know that Rem is gone. When Win went down the tubes in 63 it left market wide open for Rem to take.Rem had got into stamping during WW2. The 870 was never best shotgun ever built and neither will be Mossberg. But there is going to be thousands of them. The reason is they have been cheap to build. It use to be if you couldn’t swing a Winchesters price you settled for second best Remington. Mossberg never figured in major market back then.
Scope is on 870 for deer hunting with slugs.In Ohio this is common. There is no reason I should still have the 870, it wasn’t worth enough to worry about selling. At near same time I bought a new 742 Rem. I forget which one I bought first. I did get rid of the 742c Deluxe, I will say one thing for the 870. At 100yds it shot as good or better than the 742c.
You can by a high condition w12, Rem 31 or It37 for $300-$350. There is no doubt the my 870 will bring about twice that and a used Mossberg as much or more, especially if black.

Why in the world would anyone in their right mind redesign the Remington 870 to be a Mossberg? If someone wants a Mossberg, great, but most people who buy the 870 want it like it is.

In the early 1980s I bought an 870 for each of my sons. The younger one was living in New Orleans in 2005 during Hurricane Katrina, he and his wife were away on a trip and their house flooded, his 870 spent about a week under his bed in flood water. Then another few days before we could get in there to pick up what was salvageable. I brought the 870 to a local gunsmith, who serviced it and it has been fine ever since. It does need a
reblue job, and some work on the wood stock but shoots fine and a good "battle scars" souvenir.
Great guns!
Steve W

I don't hunt with pump guns, but my favorite pump is the 870. I currently have a Mossberg 500 in the safe, but I've seen more problems with brand new 500's than I have with 870's. If you're going to put an optic on a turkey gun, I'd rather have a steel receiver drilled and tapped than aluminum. I'd think the 870 sells too well for someone not to keep producing them. Hopefully they don't cheapen the design like so often happens when someone takes over a product line.

I was kind of hoping Ruger would take over the 870. Not sure how realistic that is, but I think they’d do it right.

I hope someone does. It would be a shame to let the "Wingmaster" die of neglect.

Don

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At one time many years ago I wasn't concerned about who would be making them in the future....

Should have kept most of these, they are/were favs.....

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Checking GB the model 37's are selling for around $400, Model 12's for around $500 and 870's around $600. The higher prices for the 870 are probably due to the fact that they have been in production forever and parts are still available. Those prices seem to be in the ballpark judging from what I see around here. Of course prices depend on location so if you're down there in Lake Charles you might be able to trade into an old Wingmaster without being hurt too bad.

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Our dept has been in 870s well before me.

They have been rugged long guns within arms reach.

I did order LE mag springs back in Oct 2020 (for the +2) and still waiting.

We have one that is having extraction issues. It appears the detent behind the extractor wore a ridge and is getting stuck.

I hope parts are available down the road. I should have some old 870 bolts that I can rob the detent.

here is my 870P I bought as a trade in. Cut the stock, did some painting, Magpul front end. I also bought a very nice blued Wingmaster with two barrels (18 and 26) for cheap back in the day.

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Check GB all you want but come into the real world. The market for used pump shotguns is soft. The older models softer yet. The new generation of shooters is in to action hero guns. They want the black stuff with all the bling. The market for hunting guns is small compared to defense type shotguns. You have no trouble around here finding M12s in good shape for $350, as well as Ithaca 37s. That is 12g & 16g, 20s bring $100 more and W12s in 28g are outrageously high.

Some are not old enough to appreciate a well made gun. The 870, Moss as well as most other pumps today have duel slide bars. This is to prevent binding because of the sloop in action. If you would said in 1960 that Moss would be #1 pump shotgun you would have been laughed at. Nobody bragged on having a Moss. I was at auction about 20yrs ago. A Win 12 in nice shooter condition brought $300. I had no use for it but kinda felt like I should have bought it. While that was running through my head the next gun up was a Moss pump, camo with screw in chokes, used. It brought $450. It has been running that way for over 20yrs. Actually same thing is going on with bolt action rifles. Pre 64 m70s are down as a whole. The standard calibers in nice shooters are down to $700-$800 range. This is not for real collector grade guns. The soft market has reset a lot of guns that were selling at prices above their condition.

Old cowboys said the first one in outfit to water was the weakest. Well in gun pricing same thing applies to Blue Books and auction sights. If you are going by them you are seeing the highest prices paid as result of auctions.
The World Wide Web did affect prices and made them higher country wide.
Local it’s a different story. Everyone who hunts or has a few guns is not into guns as a hobby. I have guys call me all the time from the floor at shows.
They tell me they “found” a XX for ?$ which is top dollar most often. I tell them they didn’t find anything because it wasn’t lost. Guys that live in metro areas are more or less stuck with shows and GB.

On September 29, 2020 Remington was sold to 7 different companies and approved by the bankruptcy judge. A Google search will describe who got what and what each new owner will do with their portion.

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Incorrect, only Maverick 88 parts are made in Mexico, Mossberg 500 Series parts are made in New Haven Connecticut.

As previously stated in the very message you quoted but evidently didn't read all the way through prior to replying to, because the Mossberg 590 has an objectively superior control layout which allows the shooter to work both the safety and bolt release without breaking their grip. Furthermore, parts such as the extractor can be replaced by the end user because they are secured with simple screws, whereas the Remington 870 has the extractor riveted into place, so if it breaks you have no choice but to send it into the factory for repairs, which is a bigger issue than ever now that they're out of production.

Another thing that I forgot to mention before is that the Mossberg 590 comes from the factory with a drilled and tapped receiver.

Besides, I never said that the Remington 870 should be a rebranded Mossberg 590 clone, merely that it ought to be redesigned with a control layout similar to the Mossberg 590 which can be accessed by the shooter's hand without having to break their grip, and that parts ought to be screwed into place rather than riveted.

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The market for shotguns is not soft here in Florida where I am. There are non to be found in the gun stores at any price and the shops can't get any to stock the shelves either.

I wish that was so here. I’ve got several I want rid of. I’m not keeping any other than my Dads Brn A5 and a Stevens 94 that I got in 1956. In fact because of Ohio getting limited rifle deer season, there are lots of slug guns to be had. The bulk of them being Rem 870 & 1100s and a few Ithaca 87s. The import pumps don’t bring squat. A lot of them were Turk and only $125 new.

Your last 2 sentences are totally off the wall. And backwards too.

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People are just being dramatic and bitter as usual.

Yes, Pump Action Shotguns aren't as popular as they once were and have taken a backseat towards semiautomatic rifles as well as shotguns, but to say that all interest in them has faded is a gross exaggeration.
Furthermore, people seriously need to tone it down with their nostalgic "They sure don't make 'em like they used to..." sentiments that newly manufactured firearms are crudely produced, loosely/sloppily fit, and objectively inferior compared to ones of the past, because it's objectively false information which might be written off as ignorance at best, malicious misinformation at worst.

Honestly, modern CNC Machining is capable of producing parts of unrivaled precision/consistency, resulting in tight tolerances yet adequate clearance between moving parts, and metallurgy has improved as well, resulting in stronger alloys which can be made thinner and lighter than they ever could be in the past, but of course all of the folks young and old who know absolutely nothing about modern engineering, metallurgy, or manufacturing methods get all nostalgic over older firearms, and based simply on what they can see with their eyes and feel with their hands, older firearms must be superior. Why wouldn't they? Old Blued finishes are aesthetically superior to modern finishes, and older firearms feel so slick yet so tight compared to new firearms, but looks can be misleading, and what they fail to appreciate is that a modern FNC treatment is far more durable not to mention corrosion resistant compared to bluing, and that the actions on those old firearms are so slick because they've either been broken in over a course of many decades or otherwise were hand-fitted. Alas, that is were their superiority often ends, aesthetics and overall feel. In terms of actual usage for EDC or self-defense, they're equal at absolutely best, but often times they're heavier in weight, less reliable in overall function sans modifications, and may even be less accurate when compared to newer firearms for a wide variety of reasons. (Lesser sights, less ergonomic grips, worn out rifling, etc.)

Are old firearms aesthetically superior? Undeniably, clearly much more effort went into styling back in the day, which makes sense, especially back when open carry was more common and therefore a firearm was just as much a piece of fashion as a watch, a belt buckle, jewelry or even a pair of shoes.
Are older firearms cool? Heck yeah, in my honest opinion some of the coolest firearms are well over a century old, or at least a few decades old.
Are older firearms more special. Often times yes, because they have more history and history is interesting, exciting, romantic, and above all else nostalgic.
Are older firearms mechanically, metallurgically, and functionally superior? No, I'm sorry, but no. Times change, things change, and although as we age they may seem strange, foreign, or even frightening to us, they most often do change for the better, because that's how progress works. All denying it does is makes you appear stubborn at best, foolish as worst.

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There are lots of 870s out there in many guises. Each of mine is configured differently for it's intended use. I hope the haters cause a big price drop, then I can just buy more.

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Someone will. I just hope they're a class act like the originals were.

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We had them in LE and twice I convinced to future felons to the sound of the 870 racking a round into the chamber . As a hunter I have killed whitetails out to 124 yards this year was 45 yards with a 20 inch canterlevered rifled narrel.....in 20 years in LE and more as a hunter the 870 is a reliable killing machine

That would be a great idea for Ruger and the 870.

As I acquired guns over the last decade, I went for the guns that protect our nation. Be it Military or LEO's. Now I have M9, G17, AR, 1911, M36, M10, M19...and a 590a1. Maybe I made the right choice? If Ruger made an 870, I'd have to buy though!

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You need to tune up your google fu amigo. Mossberg's corporate offices are in CT. 90% of their product is assembled in Texas on the border town of Eagle Pass. Why Eagle Pass? Because it's close to Mexico. Parts are made in Mexico and shipped to the US to be assembled. They would be assembled in MX but the law forbids it. All Mossberg shotgun barrels and many other parts are made in Mexico. What would be the point in producing parts and in CT and shipping them all the way to TX when the Torreon MX. factory is 380 miles away.

Some of Mossberg's parts are made in Turkey according to their website.

That sounds about as American as a new Harley.

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IF Remington goes officially "belly", I hope no one tries to replicate the venerable 1100 or 870. Let them deservedly become classics like the Win. Models 12 and 70.

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How so? I know what I am talking about , do you?

An 870 Wingmaster was the first firearm I purchased new as a teenager back in the 70's. I've hunted with it for 45+ years and it's never let me down. I purchased two 870 youth models in 20ga for my twin sons when they started hunting with me, still have them both. I have added a few more to the collection over the years and I now have 6. If the opportunity came up to buy another one at a reasonable price I wouldn't hesitate.

I've looked into it, and it appears that you are at least partially correct. As of 2014, Mossberg has moved 90% of their firearms production to Texas, but according to Mossberg, only the Maverick 88 is built using predominantly Mexican parts, hence its lower price point.

I own a 2018 Manufactured 590 Shockwave which is inscribed; "MOSSBERG NORTH HAVEN, CT -- 590 12 GAUGE" on the underside of the receiver and "EAGLE PASS, TX" on the barrel. So unless only the receiver/barrel are made in the USA or otherwise Mossberg is just stamping their HQ's address on the receiver and US manufacturing facility on the barrel which are both in fact made in Mexico, not to mention outright lying that only the Maverick 88 is made in Mexico/assembled in the US, I don't know what to say. But then again, I'm not savvy on the laws regarding how far one can stretch the truth when it comes to marketing before it's considered false advertisement/deceptive marketing, but I would think that they couldn't just say that their 500 Series Shotguns are made in the USA when they are in fact only assembled in the USA.

As for Turkish-made firearms, that's no secret, but it's entirely irrelevant to the 500 Series as their Turkish-made firearms are all rimfire rifles and break action shotguns made by a company called Kahn.

Regardless, Mossbergs are quality firearms, so if they are in fact made almost entirely out of Mexican made parts, then all that tells me is that the Mexicans know how to make quality firearms parts, because mine is smooth, reliable, and has an excellent fit/finish which I wouldn't have expected to have come from a cheap manufacturing plant in Mexico, but then again, maybe the guys at Eagle Pass are just polishing out all the tool marks and burrs. Heck if I know.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

You can by a high condition w12, Rem 31 or It37 for $300-$350.
Yes. The values of Winchester M12 have dropped a lot in the past 15-20 years.

There is no doubt the my 870 will bring about twice that
Yes, assuming it is a Wingmaster. Even more if .410 or 28 ga.

used Mossberg as much or more, especially if black
No way.
I have been in the used shotgun business for 29 years and have
never sold a pump Mossberg for over $300.
I'm talking hunting versions, not the self-defense or riot type.

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I agree 100%, that’s exactly how market is here with the exception of the camo Turkey Moss models. They bring more than a m12 but less than the Para military models. I folded in 92 and there was no Moss worth more than $100 used. I hated to take them on trade. They were about the bottom of the barrel at that time. That’s when about any m12 wood bring $600+ and Ithaca 37 was only out of print 5yrs and lid was on there used price because of m87.

The guys that buy and use the old classics are us old guys. The new generation wants the Para military looking guns. End of story.
I don’t know why 870s bring more than classics unless it’s the same thing in a generation like m12s. I don’t look at new guns they are implements to discharge cartridges. They have no class or soul.

My apologies to the thin-skinned, but this is beginning to sound like the age old discussion, "which is better, the 9mm or the 45?"

Sorry, but we all have our brand loyalties and preferences! I think that we can all agree, these particular models did their intended jobs, and in many cases, put meat on many tables!

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