New 9mm compact pistol

[Ed333]

Ruger(R) MAX-9™ Centerfire Pistol Models

Did we really and truly need yet another compact 9mm?

[kbm6893]

Originally Posted by Ed333

Ruger(R) MAX-9™ Centerfire Pistol Models

Did we really and truly need yet another compact 9mm?

Ruger is a business, and they have been losing to the Sig 365 and the SA Hellcat. S&W is releasing a new Shield Plus this week, as well.

[gnystrom]

It will sell like crazy. They should raise the price $100 and include a box of ammo.

[kaaskop49]

Originally Posted by gnystrom

It will sell like crazy. They should raise the price $100 and include a box of ammo.

...the $100 price increase would be to pay for the box of ammo.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

[Echo40]

I was just thinking that we just don't have enough 9mm Compact Pistols...

But seriously, you'd think that with all of the pushing going on for a reinstatement of the AWB that firearms manufacturers wouod be a bit more forward-thinking and produce some pistols chambered in .45 ACP, or at least offer a .40cal variant of the 9mm Pistols as an alternative, but I guess they'd rather just stick with what's trendy at the moment and maximize profit on the current market than prepare for a potential market in the future. After all, high capacity subcompact 9mms are all the rage right now.

Still, I think that a .45 ACP pistol would sell, especially considering that there are far less Compact .45s, yet plenty of folks who would be interested in one.

[ladder13]

I’ll take a look at the Smith even though I have the Sig and am very happy with it, the only gun I carry concealed.

[hittman77]

As much as I love my Rugers ...... this seems to be an answer only to those who haven’t bought a Glock 43 yet.

[adwjc]

Originally Posted by kbm6893

Ruger is a business, and they have been losing to the Sig 365 and the SA Hellcat. S&W is releasing a new Shield Plus this week, as well.

Looks like Ruger scooped S&W, who is supposed to announce the Shield+ tonight.

[Rammer Jammer]

What you ask makes no sense. Why would making a gun chambered for 45 AARP or 40 S&W go under the radar of another AWB?

Hi capacity lightweight micro 9mms are selling fast even before our current panic buying market. Ruger and S&W would be fools to not put out their own versions of the Sig P365 or Springfield Hellcat. Ruger has come out with two models with or without a manual safety and each come with about everything you'd need or want from the factory. The Shield Plus leak looks OK but way too many variants. Plus
Shield triggers suck. If I pick up one of these micro 9s it'll pro be the Ruger.

Originally Posted by Forte Smitten Wesson

I was just thinking that we just don't have enough 9mm Compact Pistols...

But seriously, you'd think that with all of the pushing going on for a reinstatement of the AWB that firearms manufacturers wouod be a bit more forward-thinking and produce some pistols chambered in .45 ACP, or at least offer a .40cal variant of the 9mm Pistols as an alternative, but I guess they'd rather just stick with what's trendy at the moment and maximize profit on the current market than prepare for a potential market in the future. After all, high capacity subcompact 9mms are all the rage right now.

Still, I think that a .45 ACP pistol would sell, especially considering that there are far less Compact .45s, yet plenty of folks who would be interested in one.

[ISCS Yoda]

This is capitalism at work, my friends, and in 2021 a polymer, compact, lightweight, high capacity, striker fired Ruger is going to sell and sell well. I won't own one but I won't own a Glock, either, but I'm not the target market. Gun sales are booming (no pun intended) and many small guns are hard to find so Ruger will knock the socks out of the market with this pistol.

For the newbies out there buying guns, not the folks reading this as a rule, in counterpoint to some comments above, I disagree with the concept in re small guns like this being a good idea in .45 ACP (and I have no idea what any proposed AWB has to do with this). 9mm has been "trendy" for decades, never mind wildly popular, and in a gun that weighs less than 19 ounces unloaded a .45 ACP cartridge would have formidable recoil. A really bad idea. The military uses 9mm; every American paying attention knows that. The police generally use 9mm. Therefore, the citizens will want to follow those models. Ipso facto, 9mm wins in the sales department hands down.

[Echo40]

Originally Posted by Rammer Jammer

What you ask makes no sense. Why would making a gun chambered for 45 AARP or 40 S&W go under the radar of another AWB?

Because the diameter of the bullets reduces magazine capacity, ergo if the Shield PLUS or Max-9 were chambered in .40 S&W then they would most likely have a magazine capacity of 10 rounds, which would fall within the magazine capacity restrictions of the AWB.

Also, ."45 AARP", really?
This may come as a shock to you, so you may want to take a seat for this, but...9mm Luger is actually an older cartridge than .45 ACP. No, it's true, 9mm Luger dates back to 1902 whereas ".45 AARP" as you call it dates back to 1904. So yeah, if you're going to take a crack at the cartridge for being old as if that means something, then you should be aware that 9mm Luger is actually an older cartridge.

[HOUSTON RICK]

I will put that with my S&W SD9, oh that is right,I do not have one of those either. I do not think this group is the target market for that new pistol, but I have been wrong before. But as stated probably good for the current market.

[LVSteve]

I see a striker fired Security 9 Compact without the 1913 rail.

[uncleted327]

Did we need another compact 9mm...NO. In fact I'm sick of 9mm all together, but this makes sense for Smith and Ruger all the same. They couldn't compete in that category without new guns. However Smith missed the mark I think. The shield plus doesn't compete with the size of the 365 and Hellcat. It competes with the Glock 43X more closely. Frankly I think the Ruger looks more interesting, but I'd still take the Sig over anything else. I'd be more impressed with a 10 round flush fit Shield plus in 40, 45 or 357 Sig...

[serger]

A good idea but that front sight really looks fragile.
Drop it on the floor a couple times and I bet it's

toast......

[Donn]

Interesting. People here have been clamoring for a higher capacity Shield, equal to the 365 and Hellcat. Well, it's here and they're still not satisfied. To quote Robert Blake in Baretta, "Some days you just can't make a dime."

[gnystrom]

Interesting the market is being flooded with mag capacity over ten rounds. I hope they are correct in their optimism that laws will not be changed.

[Fishinfool]

Personally, I am pretty set with my P-365 when I need an ultra compact carry 9mm. But, in looking at Ruger's web site, it looks like they are offering a pretty complete system - Gun, Mag capacity options, holsters, and an optional optics system. That will appeal to a lot of people.

IF there were to be another national "high cap" magazine ban, I don't know if that will increase the sales of .40 and .45acp guns? A 10 shot 9mm micro is already the "sweet spot" for a lot of folks who carry. Now, something like a 7 round limit, then for a lot of people, it would make the big bores a lot more attractive.

Larry

[Rammer Jammer]

Not even going to try to fully explain. 45 AARP is a jest at the age of the caliber's fans, not the caliber itself. Didn't need your attempt at a history lesson.

Originally Posted by Forte Smitten Wesson

Because the diameter of the bullets reduces magazine capacity, ergo if the Shield PLUS or Max-9 were chambered in .40 S&W then they would most likely have a magazine capacity of 10 rounds, which would fall within the magazine capacity restrictions of the AWB.

Also, ."45 AARP", really?
This may come as a shock to you, so you may want to take a seat for this, but...9mm Luger is actually an older cartridge than .45 ACP. No, it's true, 9mm Luger dates back to 1902 whereas ".45 AARP" as you call it dates back to 1904. So yeah, if you're going to take a crack at the cartridge for being old as if that means something, then you should be aware that 9mm Luger is actually an older cartridge.

Back to the topic at hand. All, 4 of the major manufacturers micro 9mms will sell, but I think the Ruger with it's being out of the box ready to go and guaranteed to be the lowest priced option is going to claim the biggest market share.

[mikerjf]

Well, if they're going to chamber it in 45AARP they should call it the Social Security 45.

[TX-Dennis]

Having not held one yet, my concern with the Ruger is the narrowness of the grip. My LC9s at 0.90 wide has such a narrow grip that it is painful to shoot (for me). The new Ruger is 0.95 wide, so that's not much difference. The new Shield Plus at 1.1 wide "should" be more comfortable to shoot. The Shield Plus is also about 3 ounces heavier, so that should make it more comfortable to shoot as well. Although at $150 price difference (MSRP) I'm sure the Ruger will sell as well as the Smith.

Of course your hands are not my hands, so what's comfortable or not to me is probably irrelevant to you.

[Crh1943]

I'm waiting on the technology of "cram as much 9mm ammo as possible into this ultra compact sized magazine" to translate into already proven designs in bigger platforms, ie Glock 19, 1911's, Beretta 92's, M&P's etc. It would be cool to have a flush Glock 19 magazine with 20 rounds in it.

Wait....I can hear it already...."WHY DO YOU NEED TO CARRY SO MUCH AMMO???"

Maybe watch a video with Clint Smith on why you should carry extra magazines/more ammo. I would rather have and not need than need and not have. ^__^

[uncleted327]

Originally Posted by Donn

Interesting. People here have been clamoring for a higher capacity Shield, equal to the 365 and Hellcat. Well, it's here and they're still not satisfied. To quote Robert Blake in Baretta, "Some days you just can't make a dime."

The problem is they wanted a Shield comparable not only in capacity but SIZE. The original Shield was no comparison in size, so making it bigger to hold more rounds doesn't really answer people's requests...

[Ed333]

I thought there might be some opinions out there...they won't be selling to me, when it comes to something that size, I think "J frame" but i am older than dirt...

[mauser9]

Might be interested if I did not have a CS-9. Believe the price to be around $450. Sounds to be about right for the market. Yeah they will sell.

[3 Olives]

I saw videos on both pistols. I think I’d take the Ruger.

[Backlighting]

The Ruger Security 9 Compact, which I have, seems to me to be a better deal. It's about $100 less, size-wise about the same and comes with a 10 round mag plus a 15 round mag availability, which only adds 1 inch to the length of the grip is also available.

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by TX-Dennis

Having not held one yet, my concern with the Ruger is the narrowness of the grip. My LC9s at 0.90 wide has such a narrow grip that it is painful to shoot (for me). The new Ruger is 0.95 wide, so that's not much difference. The new Shield Plus at 1.1 wide "should" be more comfortable to shoot. The Shield Plus is also about 3 ounces heavier, so that should make it more comfortable to shoot as well. Although at $150 price difference (MSRP) I'm sure the Ruger will sell as well as the Smith.

Of course your hands are not my hands, so what's comfortable or not to me is probably irrelevant to you.

I feel your pain. I bought a LC9s before shooting one for its conceal-ability. But even with a Hogue there is something about the recoil impulse that bothers my hands. The Remington R51 in 9mm is a bit that way too. A Kahr CW9 is much more comfortable with its slightly fatter grip. The small 9mm that surprised me for comfort and accuracy is the Walther PPS M2. Didn't see that coming when I first handled one.