.22 Double Rifle???
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bushmaster1313
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A few years back I was driving through Connecticut mid-day on a weekday and I stopped into CSMC just to see what it was like. They were nice and turned the lights on for me in the three large rooms of the showroom. WOW!
This was before I got my 12 gauge Model 21 and I spent lot of time looking at the rack of 21's. One of the employees came down to me holding an almost finished .22 LR double rifle. It was very beautiful and very cool, but I passed (no surprise). This would make the perfect gift for the Model 21 collector who has everything.
This was before I got my 12 gauge Model 21 and I spent lot of time looking at the rack of 21's. One of the employees came down to me holding an almost finished .22 LR double rifle. It was very beautiful and very cool, but I passed (no surprise). This would make the perfect gift for the Model 21 collector who has everything.
I seem to recall they were regulated w/Federal ammo. But that's just a recollection, I don't have anything to back it up.
Single notch rear sight.
The first of the CSMCo 22DR's started as a side project by one of the gunsmiths working there. (Lucas,,and I can't remember his last name right now. He was an Austrian and trained as a gunsmith in Austria)
The little gun was built from scratch as a downsized AH Fox. Complete with ejectors.
He told me he had some misfire problems and ejector issues with the orig gun. Springs were so small they were the problem of getting a balance betw necessary power to do the job and too strong to have a easy/smooth operating gun in the hand.
So he made another gun,,this time just slightly larger to take advantage of using slightly larger springs and that was the ticket to getting a gun that not only works but doesn't need extra work in opening it, cocking , ect.
The completed gun was shown at one of CSMC's exhibts at the LasVegas Show. An instant hit. They had not really intended to make a production gun of it,,just there to draw interest.
But they decided to take a few orders and make a run of them. That led to more.
Then they decided to downsize the Winchester 21 and build a .22 DR on that as well. Same idea as the AH Fox .22 DR,,just something for deep pocket Winchester fans.
They all sold very well.
IIRC an NFL player (QB?) that was at one of the LV shows bought 2 of them.
Why not get 2 while you're right here.....
Single notch rear sight.
The first of the CSMCo 22DR's started as a side project by one of the gunsmiths working there. (Lucas,,and I can't remember his last name right now. He was an Austrian and trained as a gunsmith in Austria)
The little gun was built from scratch as a downsized AH Fox. Complete with ejectors.
He told me he had some misfire problems and ejector issues with the orig gun. Springs were so small they were the problem of getting a balance betw necessary power to do the job and too strong to have a easy/smooth operating gun in the hand.
So he made another gun,,this time just slightly larger to take advantage of using slightly larger springs and that was the ticket to getting a gun that not only works but doesn't need extra work in opening it, cocking , ect.
The completed gun was shown at one of CSMC's exhibts at the LasVegas Show. An instant hit. They had not really intended to make a production gun of it,,just there to draw interest.
But they decided to take a few orders and make a run of them. That led to more.
Then they decided to downsize the Winchester 21 and build a .22 DR on that as well. Same idea as the AH Fox .22 DR,,just something for deep pocket Winchester fans.
They all sold very well.
IIRC an NFL player (QB?) that was at one of the LV shows bought 2 of them.
Why not get 2 while you're right here.....
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AJ
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You have a point. However, someone will have to try it some time. Like telling a kid not to do something.......that is about the same as daring them to try it.
HOUSTON RICK
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I know a gentleman who collects double rifles. he works in an LGS; T think just for the employee discount on the double rifles when they come through.He told me they were pricey. For that much, I would do better buying a car.
CptCurl
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I'm a big fan of double rifles and would love to have one of the CSMC double .22s. My choice would be the gem they build on their Fox frame. I never liked the lines of a Win. 21.
I had the opportunity to handle a couple of these at the Vintager's gathering one year long ago. One can dream.
I will assure you that if I had one, I would certainly shoot it. Charging chipmunks have been a problem around here.
Image added from CSMC website. They won't even tell you the price on this one without calling. Over my budget for sure!
Curly
I had the opportunity to handle a couple of these at the Vintager's gathering one year long ago. One can dream.
I will assure you that if I had one, I would certainly shoot it. Charging chipmunks have been a problem around here.
Image added from CSMC website. They won't even tell you the price on this one without calling. Over my budget for sure!
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AJ
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Did the same myself. Great pistol, a joy to shoot!
Sandman4delta
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$$$$$ Yikes $$$$$ 
CSMS is Tony Galazan. He has a bit of reputation and it’s not all good.
He owns the rights to make the Winchester model 21 and Fox shotguns. He also offer a lot of reproduction parts (recoil pads, plates, case labels, etc...) that seem to make their way onto a lot “original” guns.
That .22 double rifle has been in his catalog for quite a while. I suspect he had his company make it as a marketing tool and because he could.
He owns the rights to make the Winchester model 21 and Fox shotguns. He also offer a lot of reproduction parts (recoil pads, plates, case labels, etc...) that seem to make their way onto a lot “original” guns.
That .22 double rifle has been in his catalog for quite a while. I suspect he had his company make it as a marketing tool and because he could.
Baltimoreed11754
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Truly amazing work and an amazing price for a .22 plinker. Can’t mess with a man with money.
I gave a quick background on how the small DR's came to be in my post above.
(Lucas 'Geiger' (sp?) was the gunsmith that hand made the first 2 as a side project in the CSMCo shop.
I couldn't remember his last name in my orig post above.)
I engraved a couple of the little DR's for CSMC when I was doing work on their other guns.. They were made of the same 8620 steel as the AH Fox and Win 21's they make. All the options that the full size guns had available.
CSMC is allowed by licensing agreements to make the AH Fox and Win 21 and use those names on them from their current owners. Savage still owns the AH Fox name.
That agreement was made back in the early 90's.
The Winchester 21 build agreement came later. CSMC was asked to build the 21 for Winchester altogether at first which they did.
Winchester did the marketing, took the orders, ect. CSMC did the build.
Then later CSMC took the licensing agreement similar to the AHFox .
CSMC pays a fee for every gun made under each name but sold as a CSMC mfg piece.
I'm sure it's much more complicated than that, but that's the simple layout.
I don't know who or what owns the Winchester 21 name anymore.
Nice gun. If it's a little out of your price range you can purchase .22lr inserts to convert your shotgun. Maybe not as classy, but about $37,000 less expensive. An easy find with an internet search.
I may have to order a set for my .410 Fox Model B...
I may have to order a set for my .410 Fox Model B...
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I have this insert for my .12.....
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