@ that parts place started by Larry P. All grades, all manufacturers.

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I was pleasantly surprised by the prices in today's climate. I'll just quote a post I made in another M1C post, love the things.

Can’t find prices listed

Me either, link?

Are these the ones from Midway

Coming June 8th..

You will be getting an email if you ever bought from them, eventually.

Starting price n $1149.99

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I can hardly wait. $1200 for a used up carbine.

I want to caution everyone again. Before you buy one ask for a muzzle erosion gauge reading. 1 = .310. 2 = .320. 3 = .330. You want a ME gauge to read as close to 1 as you can get. 2 is acceptable. >3 isn't. That's the criteria for barrel replacement in a US arsenal rebuild. I think a Criterion barrel replacement is about $250 but I'm not current.

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That's just somebody talkin.

The prices nowadays amaze me. I believe I never paid over $550 for one.

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Glad I got mine from the CMP back when prices were more reasonable. Showing just one.......Underwood Elliot Fisher. High wood stock. Great shooter even with cast bullets. Mine came from Bavaria(lend lease) receiver is marked Bavarian Forestry Police. If The CMP ever gets those carbines and Garands back from Korea. They will be cheaper.

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I was in the group of the first sale of carbines that went to the Carbine Club members. IIRC we got them for $350 and could order three. Which I did.

The attached picture is before I sold the ones I had, to be able to buy other toys. I kept one an Inland that my Uncle had bought in the 1960's for $20.00. It has a O.G.E.K. stamped stock on it.

Have seen a lot of the Garands and Carbines that have come out of Korea. They were pretty beat up, hopefully if and when the next batch of stuff comes out it will be better.

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Midway just informed me they will not be selling to anyone in California.

Time to move..........

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So....for the price of a new Colt AR-15 I can get a weapon that is underpowered, notoriously unreliable, and stored indifferently. Let me think on this.

Much as for more than we can buy a Glock 17 we can buy an old used police trade in S&W Model 19! Reminds me of the people complaining about CMP 1911 prices.

Guns shot up in price across the board, and M1 carbines are no exception. I've been keeping an eye on this market for awhile as I'd love a second shooter or a potential host for a registered M2 sear, you're not getting a deal from midway but you are getting about market price.

I guess it was back around 2008 when I bought a carbine from the CMP that was part of the Italian returns. Potbellied FAT marked Inland in the 5.1 million range. IIRC it cost $375 then.

My late friend Charlie Bombardier said that on New Guinea, they would throw them in the trash barrels preferring the 1903's.

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"Don't Give Up the Ship"

To out myself as a bit more of a youngin, the CMP ran out of Carbines a little before my 18th birthday. I remember saving tips from my pizza delivery gig in high school to snag one, and I was just crushed when I missed the boat.

I got to fire lots of WWII and Korean War weaponry while working a contract gig in the Philippines. The Phil Natl Police are probably the best in the world at getting mileage out of what they get; they have a few thousand battle-ready Garands and more M-14s ("...it speaks with authority.") than I've seen anywhere in the world. The M1 carbines and M2s are not used for reasons already listed.

BTW, the last conflict in which I am aware BARs were used was the 2016 Marawi City conflict on Mindanao, where they were a substitute standard for PNP who normally use M240B, refurbished M60s, and the Negev.

Why not a Reising or Johnson?

I prefer my 1963 m70 FW 30-06. Light, handy, reliable, and they still make ammo for it.

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Not quite sure what you're asking there, if we had readily available reasonbly priced reisings or johnsons I'd buy those too, despite being nowhere near as iconic as the massively produced M1 carbine. I think your first post misunderstands the market, these are not replacements for name brand AR15s, they're a collector's item for people who want to have an example of one of the most produced US rifles of WW2. They're also a joy to shoot.

Ammo is still produced for the 30 carbine, it's also a WW2 personal defense weapon as opposed to an admittedly great hunting rifle. Bit of apples to oranges.

That's fair.

I paid $3,500 for my first corvette, $80,000 for my new one.

What is the relevance of what you paid when? I hear this all the time.

Maybe someone here wants to buy one at the price you scoff at.

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A set of Spegel/Hurst/Farrant grips cost in excess of $350 but I can buy Pachmayr grips for $15. Even less if I prowled thru a used parts bin at my LGS.

Let me think on this.

(You either appreciate collectables or you don't)

At $1149.99 for a well worn, non-original WW II, re-imported M1 Carbine, Larry P. can keep it!

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I don't care how much a person loves a M1 carbine, they just are not worth the price!

Glad been collecting for a while, paid $110.00 for my first .30 Carbine, a RockOla. Over the years had all of them but IBM, down to 1 now, great shooter and pretty good condition, IIRC cost about $250.00.

My Dad was issued one in 1942. He loved it.

"Notoriously unreliable" ? Never a problem with any of mine.

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I have owned a few M1 carbines, not interested in purchasing anymore. If you want one for a collection, I get it, but buy the best you an find. It will be more than $1200.

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I was late to the game buying carbines. The first one I purchased on this forum. The barrel was used up but the parts were worth what I paid for it. I sold that one and found one with almost new replacement barrel, probably an arsenal rebuild. I still have that one and shoot it often.

I'm a little foggy on dates but IIRC CMP was still selling carbines up to about 5 years ago but their supply ran out. Last price I remember was around $750 for a service grade. I believe they were from Italy.

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I placed second in my first tactical rifle match using a new to me Inland made M1 carbine. The field consisted of mostly AR15s but I lost to the match organizer and his HK-93.

There’s nothing wrong with the M1 Carbine, other than limited terminal ballistics - but you have to remember it was designed as a personal defense weapon to supplement or replace the 1911 in some units.

Larry's guns are overpriced in my opinion as well, but I read on another gun forum where the members were excited and felt the prices were great. But you know what they say about opinions.... we all have them.

I always found them very reliable as long as you were using the hardball ammo they were designed for. As far as underpowered, I think they were fine for their intended use.

And yet the price keeps going up and people still buy them. No explanation for that except some folks just feel they have to have one, like me.

Full disclosure. I bought a CMP 1911 also. I've never shot it.

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I rebuilt mine, including the bolt. Runs fine. Parts are still available. I'm not sure what all the hoopla is about.

About a week ago I ran 15 rounds of 110 gr. coated lead thru mine. Ran without any problems and accuracy was good.

I think the lead bullets got a bad rep because of burnt lube fowling the gas piston orifice. I'm going to break mine down and see if the coating is building up there. If not I'll load some more.

You need a special wrench to pull the piston but those are available.

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My great-uncle Clarence was issued an M1 carbine - he was a Seabee (MM2) and a 'dozer operator. His only campaign consisted of about 10 days on Tarawa; he said that commonly Seabees would shoot Japanese several times to no effect with carbines but Marines would easily put them down hard with their Garands. He had no love for the M1 carbine, and said the Seabees learned to clear the frequent malfunctions with a cupped, non-firing hand reaching across the action to work the operating rod handle smartly to the rear to clear both M1 carbines and M2s. They LOVED the M3 'grease guns.'

In fairness, he also said there was coral sand everywhere clogging all kinds of machinery. He was badly wounded in an air raid, and by the time he'd recovered enough to return to duty the war was over.

M1 carbines can absolutely be reliable, at least by the standards of the day. My Austrian return carbine is quite reliable (again, by the standards of the day), I think I've had two malfunctions in two thousand rounds of mostly surplus ammo.

I've also had a Korean return and one of the CMP carbines that just could not avoid having a malf or two per mag, which is pretty poor, as well as other fun things like the rear sight sliding around in the dovetail after time. I'm no stranger to used guns of questionable origin, but the standard parts/springs swapping, mag swapping (and mag springs), ammo changes, etc., just could not make them run right.

I love the carbine, every new shooter I bring to the range loves the carbine, and I have to purposefully bring a set amount of ammo with me because I know I'll burn through whatever comes to the range with me. The carbine was an excellent, ahead of its time weapon that gave great service in World War 2, especially considering the time frame and goals of its development, but I can also recognize that it's a bit more of a finicky design than I think we'd have seen had they had more time, and that it's very much not one that holds up well to decades of abuse by countries that recieved them as military aid and just kept using them up into the 80s.

I didn't know any M2's made it to Tarawa, but I guess it's possible.

I always wonder about these stories (no disrespect intended at all towards your great uncle or his service) that I mostly heard about from Korea, but I guess show up from WW2 as well.

We always hear about how the .45 from a 1911 is a manstopper, or in this case the M3 grease gun, but somehow the M1 carbine is just wimpy. The .45 coming out of the grease gun is about 450 ft/lb of energy, the M1 Carbine around 960 (both with factory .mil loads). Hell, even the 125gr .357 mag loads we heard about as the one shot stop load from the 80s cracking k frame forcing cones is under 600 ft/lb.

I sincerely believe in most of these cases it's either passed down hearsay, the gun community's most beloved tradition, or the shooter missed (or missed vital areas, which is an issue with any loading). Plenty of gun people have decided to test it out, and the carbine still has plenty of power (if the shooter does their part) even if you're shooting at frozen clothing, let alone attire from the jungle. Further, I think I have the PDF available on my old laptop, but we have some fairly grizzly testing data from the M2 trials (there may be M1 trials too, but I haven't found them) in which Marines in the Philippines describe emptying a magazine into a car of Japanese soldiers and the carnage that resulted, which made the thompson gunners with the tester ask for the new M2s as a replacement.

Agree. Dad was initially a member of a machine gun crew and was issued an M1911A1. He said to keep the bullets on target required slow careful aim and trigger squeeze. Not always possible under combat conditions.

When he was issued an M1 Carbine, he liked it "Lots Better!"
He said he could shoot from the hip with the carbine and score as well or better than he could with slow and careful aim using the pistol.

One other thought:
I recall that the late Jeff Cooper spoke disparagingly about the M1 Carbine, comparing its ballistics to the .38 Special revolver.
As a guy on an M1 Carbine forum said in response
"Maybe .38 Special +P+ out of an 18 inch barrel!"

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They made 6,000,000 carbines up until 1944 IIRC.

They're still making gun collectors, more and more, every day.

P.S. While I don't currently own an M1, I have owned several over the years, including military and even the dreaded Universal.

All were in very good condition and I don't recall any issues with any of them, as long as you were running ball ammo. Hmmmm? A 5 lbs rifle, able to easily hit out to 200 yards, with the energy of a 357 magnum. Horrible I tell you, horrible.

Just my $.02.

Dunno....Clarence passed in '78. He was my source.

My 1943 Quality Hardware carbine is reliable enough with good mags stoked with SP ammo in that it is first long gun that I can lay hold of in my home. A big plus is the fact that the wife is also proficient with it.

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M2's started being produced 1 April 1944 by Inland and by Winchester on 1 May 1944. So could not have been on Tarawa (November 20-23, 1943)



I had a Winchester M1 Carbine that was a 7,270,XXX that was made in Aug. 1945.

Inland stopped full production in May, 1945 and may have cleaned up parts until Aug.

Winchester produced Carbines until Aug, 1945. That month they made 43,064 Carbines.

As you can see in the photograph I posted in Post# 11. I collected these for quite a while. I have at least six different reference books on these.

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M1 carbine is one of my favorites. I had 25 at one time, still have nine. I started deer hunting in my early teens with a bunch of WWII and Korean Vets. Most of their hunting rifles were US milsurp, even though a couple used bring back K 98's. These guys took a lot of deer with theses old guns and I killed my first one with a borrowed Winchester M1 carbine my uncle brought back from Normandy. He drove a bulldozer for the Seabees and carried it in a scabbard on the dozer. My cousin still has it. I started as a LEO in 1969. I wanted a M1 carbine (some of the officers already carried them) for a patrol rifle. What few that were in town were expensive back then. ($100.00) A friend told me about a shop in Gulfport that had some. I went there and the guy had what looked like several hundred stacked up a wall. He wanted $50.00 out the door and I could pick them out. I bought two, A Winchester and an IBM. Someone offered me stupid money on the Winchester and I let it go to buy something else I wanted. I still have the IBM and of course I wish I had kept the Winchester. As mentioned above I still have a few of them and I guess my favorite is an all correct early feature Rockola. I mostly shoot a Standard Products and a Saginaw. Some of my carbines were picked up a few years ago from the CMP. We would go to Anniston and hand pick them. I remember the Inlands were $419.00 and they went up from there, but not much. Unless I run into a real bargain or trade somewhere I guess I am through buying carbines. Prices have gone up much faster than my pension. I am thankful for what I have.

Larry, the multi millionaire will sell every one of them. He needs no help.

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I'll certainly defer to you on the total produced...but the point still stands.

Finite supply + increasing collectors = continuing (and even accelerating) demand.

I bought my first M1 Carbine, a super nice Inland marked 3/44 a year or so back. Wonder why on earth I didn’t get one 20 or 30 years ago.

If an emergency called for me to use a rifle, I would not hesitate to grab the M1 Carbine before an AR or AK.

I may very well buy one of these Midway has found for us.

And I agree, this will only spark or renew a collectors interest in these fine weapons.

These M1's have my interest as a first purchase. I collect Australian enfields and other rifles manufactured by Lithgow Small Arms Factory. I love the research before the purchase, and the continued learning after the purchase. Chatting with the guys on the boards, lamenting a few mistakes and high-fiving some nice wins. The best part is holding a battle-era rifle and wondering what it's seen - holding history in your hands and just wondering. Within reason, this is worth a few extra bucks above "reasonable" if that's what it takes. IMHO. I'm excited about the opportunity and more power to Larry P. for making it happen.