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My new Stainless Colt Series 70 1911 - No sights, No roll marks.
I just picked this up from my FFL a few hours ago. I haven't cleaned it up - still with the factory oil.
I bought it mainly because it has the clean slide - I like the clean utilitarian look. I like it!
It has a nice trigger!
I have a full length guide rod, and a stainless main spring housing. I'm debating changing out the polymer trigger...
Any recommendations on night sights?
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Have to wonder why no sights?
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I think it was some sort of an over run for engraving or something like that, I vaguely remember reading something in passing about them....
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There's a blued version with no roll marks and no sights.
They've been selling for at least a year if not longer
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Send it to Clark for the finishing touches. I think the slide is all they need being it was built by Colt.
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Maybe the no sight version is for blind shooters?
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Is it even a Colt slide ?
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What's the point in buying a Colt if it doesn't have the rollmarks identifying it as such? Did it cost substantially less since you didn't pay for the brand name? 
Just kidding, congratulations! It looks swell.
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XS tritium front, and a widened 10-8 rear.
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You wanted a "Clean Slide" ... well ... you got a clean slide alright !
No pesky sights to clutter it up ... clean as it gets .
Sights , what sights ...we don't need no stinking sights !
By the way ... Are you bragging or complaining ?
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That’s what happens when you buy a gun sight unseen. Bada bing!
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I have owned enough Colt 1911's to say based on appearance alone, it is OEM.
I have not heard of this variant, but there used to be a school of thought that as a combat pistol it didn't need sights and was point/shoot. IIRC, around 2009-2011 they made one specifically without sights and a 'trench' sight.
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A little polish,some engraving and sights of your choosing :-)
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I'm not complaining about anything, I got exactly what I wanted! I saw one and I liked the clean slide, and that I could put whatever sights I want. Plus it's a Series 70 and it has a National Match barrel. I'm very happy with my purchase!
This is the actual model number of what I have "01911C SSZ".
BTW, Colt had an M4 that was sold without handguards, buttstock, trigger guard, magazine, or rear sight. I'm guessing it's meant for the customizers who want a Colt foundation to modify without having to spend money on the stuff that's going to be tossed anyway.
I think this series of Colt 1911s is basically the same thing. As I said earlier, I'm getting a full length guide rod, stainless mainspring housing, sights and I'll be done.
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I like it. But I would seriously call sharkcoast tactical in Florida and ask about having it laser engraved. I am pretty sure they could do it. They can put whatever you want on that slide. They send their stuff out to distributors to sell all over the country. I have a machine engraved S7W 1911. Everyone that sees it just drools over it. It also shoots very well. Just my thoughts. In any event, that is a nice gun.
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A lot of people buy these as "base" guns for doing a nice custom build.
Id just add some tritiums and keep it as is, as far as slide.
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I'm not complaining about anything, I got exactly what I wanted! I saw one and I liked the clean slide, and that I could put whatever sights I want. Plus it's a Series 70 and it has a National Match barrel. I'm very happy with my purchase!
This is the actual model number of what I have "01911C SSZ".
BTW, Colt had an M4 that was sold without handguards, buttstock, trigger guard, magazine, or rear sight. I'm guessing it's meant for the customizers who want a Colt foundation to modify without having to spend money on the stuff that's going to be tossed anyway.
I think this series of Colt 1911s is basically the same thing. As I said earlier, I'm getting a full length guide rod, stainless mainspring housing, sights and I'll be done.
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I've got a stainless series 80 Colt with the arched mainspring housing.Wanna swap mainspring housings??? I prefer the flat housing like the one on your gun. Yours looks stainless to me-is it??
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Mainspring housings on new Colts are plastic.
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I've got a stainless series 80 Colt with the arched mainspring housing.Wanna swap mainspring housings??? I prefer the flat housing like the one on your gun. Yours looks stainless to me-is it??
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Unfortunately, the my mainspring housing is plastic.
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Why in the wide world of sports would COlt put a plastic mainspring housing on their 1911's???
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They've been doing it for years. My mid 90's Gold Cup had/has a plastic one, too!
I think the trigger is plastic, too!
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Probably because it's cheap and a side benefit is that it reduces weight.
Is the slick Colt a lot cheaper than an engraved Colt? I would think the resale value is drastically reduced.
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Have seen "sanitized" guns with no serial numbers going out of a friends gun shop many years ago. An Alphabet Department of the Government had contracted them.
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Crazy that Colt would put out a 1911 without rollmarks on the slide. A Colt with no pony??
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Cost savings. My stainless Delta Elite from the early 1990's came with a plastic main spring housing.
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I suppose you have all the room you need to have the warning manual engraved all over the slide.
I actually like that gun and you can put on any sights you want. I don't understand the plastic parts, especially the trigger, but I didn't engineer the gun. I like your new Colt.
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They've been doing it for years. My mid 90's Gold Cup had/has a plastic one, too!
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Cost savings. My stainless Delta Elite from the early 1990's came with a plastic main spring housing.
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I suppose you have all the room you need to have the warning manual engraved all over the slide.
I actually like that gun and you can put on any sights you want. I don't understand the plastic parts, especially the trigger, but I didn't engineer the gun. I like your new Colt.
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Like the man wrote.....Cost Savings. Colt like others is/was trying to save money. The uninitiated never knew their new gun had plastic parts. Most never, ever take them apart to clean them. Heck, the local gun store does a landslide business cleaning guns for people who can't be bothered to do so. Just about every used gun the shop buys is filthy as all get out.
I would just replace the plastic junk with good metal parts and move on.
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I have owned enough Colt 1911's to say based on appearance alone, it is OEM.
I have not heard of this variant, but there used to be a school of thought that as a combat pistol it didn't need sights and was point/shoot. IIRC, around 2009-2011 they made one specifically without sights and a 'trench' sight.
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Three types of shooting according to Jerry Miculek, a guy that knows a bit about shooting.
1. Aimed fire
2. Point shooting
3. Instinctive shooting
Sights are needed for aimed fire.
Point shooting can be done with a gutter type sight or with just a front sight. Point shooting is used for games like trap and sheet.
No sights are needed for instinctive shooting.
I think the last two have fallen out of favor with LE and military training, but I have no experience with either recently.
Point Shooting! - YouTube
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Worth remembering.
Three types of shooting according to Jerry Miculek, a guy that knows a bit about shooting.
1. Aimed fire
2. Point shooting
3. Instinctive shooting
Sights are needed for aimed fire.
Point shooting can be done with a gutter type sight or with just a front sight. Point shooting is used for games like trap and sheet.
No sights are needed for instinctive shooting.
I think the last two have fallen out of favor with LE and military training, but I have no experience with either recently.
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In the Corps we were taught a lot of aimed fire as you call it. When I was assigned to a F.A.S.T. Company, we did a lot of point shooting. With a pistol it was from 7 to 15 yards we used only the front sight. With a long gun it was from 15 to 25 yards (a few times to 50). The drills were generally from the holster with a handgun or slung with a longgun.
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In the Corps we were taught a lot of aimed fire as you call it. When I was assigned to a F.A.S.T. Company, we did a lot of point shooting. With a pistol it was from 7 to 15 yards we used only the front sight. With a long gun it was from 15 to 25 yards (a few times to 50). The drills were generally from the holster with a handgun or slung with a longgun.
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 Point shooting is a good thing to know how to do, but it takes some practice. My guess is people just assume that one needs to use the sights on a pistol because they happen to be there.
Personally, I think both aimed fire and point shooting should be taught, especially in defensive shooting classes. But that's just me and my ideas come from things I learned in the last century.
One of my biggest disagreements with the so called experts of defense shotgun instruction is their adamant belief that sights (both front and rear for aimed fire) are needed to be effective at close quarters combat ranges. But that's a different thread.
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Point shooting is a good thing to know how to do, but it takes some practice. My guess is people just assume that one needs to use the sights on a pistol because they happen to be there.
Personally, I think both aimed fire and point shooting should be taught, especially in defensive shooting classes. But that's just me and my ideas come from things I learned in the last century.
One of my biggest disagreements with the so called experts of defense shotgun instruction is their adamant belief that sights (both front and rear for aimed fire) are needed to be effective at close quarters combat ranges. But that's a different thread. |
Point shooting would be good to teach to folks in a defensive shooting class. We learned it in an offensive shooting class. I never use my rear sight anymore until I get to 15 yards and farther. We shoot a Steel Challenge here with .22 LR at 15 for pistol and 25 for rifle. In both phases I only use my front sight (and I hit them all first try).
I taught a Combat Shotgun Course also. Wonderful things can be accomplished with a shotgun if you know how to use it.
Both of the courses that I taught (Combat Pistol & Combat Shotgun) were designed by Lt.Col. Jeff Cooper and the Marine Corps.
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Actually...when you think about it...the plastic mainspring housing is functionally equivalent to a steel mainspring housing. Plus it's lighter...it won't rust...and yes, it's cheaper.
Some of my Colts have plastic mainspring housings, and some have steel, but there's no difference between them when you squeeze the trigger.
Now, having said that...I much prefer steel, just for the sake of tradition.
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