New Remington 870s

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Just caught a video from Scheels on the newest 870s released this year. Video was from July 23. Was not impressed. They look the Express version with poorly varnished hardwood stock which are poorly fitted to receiver with overhang. Receiver and barrel retain that matte finish unlike the glossy bluing applied to the older Wingmaster version. Gave an M.S.R.P. of $399 for the 3 I saw. Built to a certain price point I guess but afraid the bean counters are involved. Got three Remingtons I bought 40 years back and glad I did. Wish them the best but hoping to see quality return.
 
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Not in the market for a new shotgun but you can’t really compare fit and or finish on the Express to the Wingmaster. It would be nice it the stock matched up better to the receiver but that’s purely cosmetic.

For $399 I’m hoping for reliability and expecting cheap wood with pressed checkering and a matte finish. If it’s reliable I could easily overlook everything else.
 
The older 870s are now nearly worth their weight in gold. They were unfailingly reliable, economical to own, and easy to configure for any job. That trap model at the top of the picture was and is a jewel. When I was into trap shooting, I fired thousands of rounds with it and never a bobble. I included a chapter on them in my book 101 Classic Firearms.

John

 
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Older "Real" Remingtons are fine.

They are horrible now. Remington kills everything it touches. Like the Marlins, and Bushmasters.

I would not touch them new. They Are a junk company. A corporate cluster...... Good luck waiting for the "bugs to be worked out"
Like the Marlins "bugs" ...lol How'd THAT work out?

If a company can't build a working SHOTGUN, they are completely useless.....Enter.... Remington. Cerebrus CAPITAL MANAGEMENT- Bankrupt. Useless.

Roundhill Group.... to be continued....

or not. They're toast.
 
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Sold my last calf before leaving the farm to move "into the city" in 1965. The proceeds from that sale covered the cost of my 1st Wingmaster 12 gage. Me and that shotgun put down many a Mississippi Delta duck and rabbit. I bought a 20 gage model for my bride on our 1st wedding anniversary and taught shotgunning to my sons on a 20 gage "Youth Model 870 Wingmaster".
All three of those shotguns are still running strong and I'm hoping to teach my granddaughters the art of shotgunning with the very same shotgun their daddies learned on!
Love those Remington 870 Wingmasters!

WYT-P
Skyhunter
 
what time frame did they go from good to bad ? I have one that I inherited. Stamped "special purpose" on one side and "870 magnum" on the other. mfg in 1990
 
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Grandson bought one few years back, he and his wife shoot clays( met at range), called me saying his 870 jammed after second time shooting. Got it , disassembled it and was shocked at total lack of craftsmanship and broken parts. Nothing deburred, cheap , cheesie stamped parts in receiver. Ordered parts, deburred everything, reassembled and so far no problems. Not close to the one my Dad bought in late 50’s, son has it.
 
I have an 870 "Brushmaster" which is basically a Wingmaster with a rifled sights slug barrel. Smooth bore. Takes 2-3/4" 12 gauge shells. I killed my first buck with it. I bought this new in the early 80s. Beautiful bluing. Beautiful wood and finish. I also have a vent rib "Skeet" barrel for it that I bought from a fellow forum member here. Glad I bought my 870 when I did.
 
I have several 870's including 3 with the "park bench" furniture and parkerized finish. The finish doesn't compare to my older Wingmasters but they all function perfectly. I have a line on a fourth that I'm hoping to add to the collection.
 
I still have the Wingmaster I bought back in 1966. It became my trapshooting gun because of my short arms. I put hundreds and hundreds of rounds through it over many years. When I moved here 15+ years ago I started using it for the club block shoots. It verges on indestructible.
 
What Freedom Group did to the Remington brand is a crying shame. I hope that the Roundhill guns are better, but my hopes are not high. They should offer the Express line (albiet with better QC and a more durable finish) as their budget offering, and then market the Wingmaster/Police Magnum lineups to those (myself included) that are willing to pay more for a quality shotgun.

The opportunity for success is certainly there. The current pump shotgun market is terrible. This is even more evident when it comes to the defensive/riot gun market. Thanks to import restrictions (no guns imported that hold more than five in the tube), and a lack of U.S. competition, Mossberg has a total monopoly here now. A quality, U.S. produced conventional pump shotgun with a full length mag tube, and a 18-20" barrel, would be a very welcome offering right now. I am honestly surprised that a company like Henry or Ruger has not jumped on this yet.
 
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